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Here is a Mach IV I just had done Basically a 7mm RemMag neck down to 6mm with a 40Deg shoulder, I have a 12 twist which will send 107s no problem, but now with the 10 twist I want to start sending 115 Dtac's 120s, 125, and 130s which is really funky for a 6mm.

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A fully formed case "Right" and a 7mm RemMag necked down to 6mm by using a 243wssm die "left" 264 WinMag brass also works well, I get over 4000FPS with a 107gr Sierra while fireforming. And with that extra 7gr more capacity from a formed case and not losing any energy due to fireforming those 107s numbers are in the stratosphere.



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Dean a couple issues of handloader back they had info on a 25 Hornet.... or something similar. Basically a 22 Hornet blown out to 25. A nice replacement for the old 25 Stevens line of cartridges.
How hard do you think that would be to make?
It would probably make an awesome cartridge for a lever gun which would be a whole ton of work to get right but it might be worth it.
 
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I know a shooter that had one and it was an Ackley Improved version to boot, I know CH4D has the dies both versions I am not sure who has the reamer readily available, I know PTG has it in there catalog if you want to wait for it. Someone out there must have one, I will put the word out just for poops a giggles just to see what shows up.

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Since I didn't get a 300 Blackout until after SAAMI blessed it, this would be my first wildcat.

Savage 110 in 260 Ackley...



Started life as a 223 in a long action with an ugly piece of wood on it, so I had to open up the magazine cutout in the receiver to fit the long action mag and replace the stock. Parkerized the receiver and some bolt parts, did a little work on the Savage trigger. Dean sold me the barrel, so to some extent I'm blaming him for this one. [wink] Still has some work to do on it, like a better trigger and some weight in the butt to balance out that truck axle on the front. Longer bolt handle to get a little further from the scope, too.

Now, I need to put some ammo together. I've got all the components already, have to convert some brass.
 
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Sweet Rig but the bolt handle is on the wrong side[laugh] feel free to pic my feeble brain for loading data for the 260 AI.

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Since I didn't get a 300 Blackout until after SAAMI blessed it, this would be my first wildcat.

Savage 110 in 260 Ackley...



Started life as a 223 in a long action with an ugly piece of wood on it, so I had to open up the magazine cutout in the receiver to fit the long action mag and replace the stock. Parkerized the receiver and some bolt parts, did a little work on the Savage trigger. Dean sold me the barrel, so to some extent I'm blaming him for this one. [wink] Still has some work to do on it, like a better trigger and some weight in the butt to balance out that truck axle on the front. Longer bolt handle to get a little further from the scope, too.

Now, I need to put some ammo together. I've got all the components already, have to convert some brass.
260 AI is a kick-ass 600 yard cartridge.
 

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Well, if it's going to make everyone dizzy or something, I can move the bolt handle to the correct side. Sure, it's time better spent fire-forming brass, but for you guys...





[devil] [devil]

Need to start loading next. I picked up a couple different Hornady's and Sierras in 260 and some 4831 to start with. Finding the time will be the usual challenge.

Dean, I'm sure there's a story behind you ending up with a lefty bolt handle.
 

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260, 260AI with 140gr Hornady ELDs, my go to load is a compressed load of RL17 or Hybrid 100V, that is a 3200+ FPS load from a 30" 8 Twist Bull Barrel. That is with Lapua brass anything else I have to pull back on the reins, I tell you it has got to be close to 75000 PSI, before lapua brass starts to show any signs of pressure.



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Luckily I believed everyone, and got Lapua. I haven't tried any of the RL powders yet, but considering the number of references I've run across to RL15 and RL17 I probably should.
 

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While loading up some 260 last night, it occurred to me that there should be a solution for the screwed up MA coyote hunting nighttime caliber restrictions.

For those of you not trapped in the DPRofMA, the usual interpretation of the restrictions are chambered no larger than 22LR in a rifle, 38 Spl. in a pistol. I stipulate that it's stupid - MA is MA.

None of the acceptable rifle cartridges are good on coyote. What I was thinking was the answer is on the pistol side. A Contender pistol, chambered in something that fits inside the dimensions of a 38 Spl that would work on coyote. Say, a 38 necked down to 22, or 7.62x25. When I had a chance to start looking, the 22 TCM was the first thing that jumped out at me.



Plenty of 223 bullets good for coyote, and seems to have the speed to make them work. MGM lists it as one of their chambers for Contender barrels. Anything obvious I've missed, and are there any other cartridges out there in wildcat land that would work?
 
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I shoot a lot of contenders. Are the restrictions in MA that you have to have a "Pistol" round smaller than 38? Or a pistol cartridge? Theoretically, if it has to be in a pistol but smaller than 38, you could go with .223, 30-30 and so on. If it has to be a pistol cartridge no bigger than .38, you could go with 357 Maximum.

But, to keep things simple, 218 Bee, 22 Hornet and .17 Rem are all good performers.

ETA, I just re-read your post. So........it has to fit inside the dimensions of a 38spl? You should create your own wildcat called the "MA workaround" and neck down a 38spl case kinda like the 22/454
 
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I shoot a lot of contenders. Are the restrictions in MA that you have to have a "Pistol" round smaller than 38? Or a pistol cartridge? Theoretically, if it has to be in a pistol but smaller than 38, you could go with .223, 30-30 and so on. If it has to be a pistol cartridge no bigger than .38, you could go with 357 Maximum.

But, to keep things simple, 218 Bee, 22 Hornet and .17 Rem are all good performers.

ETA, I just re-read your post. So........it has to fit inside the dimensions of a 38spl? You should create your own wildcat called the "MA workaround" and neck down a 38spl case kinda like the 22/454
Yep - the actual written law says 38 caliber, but the usual interpretation from the EPOs is it has to fit inside the dimensions of the 38Spl cartridge (or 22 LR in rifles). Those cartridges you suggested would be perfect, and certainly fit inside the letter of the law, but won't keep you out of court proving it. I was thinking a cartridge that keeps you from being a test case. I was hoping that something out there already existed, because if I need to research designing a wildcat this could become another unfinished project.
 
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I gotcha. I've heard of some dumb laws and rules, but that one is sure up there. So, yes the 22 TCM would be a good option. There's the 17 Bumble Bee, but that's a little on the light side for coyotes. 38 SPL could in fact work with a premium bullet and keeping shots inside 50 yards, but that seems like allot of work and limited in the scope of all things.

Kinda stumped here, guess cause I've never had to deal with such restrictions. What can you use during the day? Are these regs for night hunting only?
 
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Call up JD Jones at SSK Industries, if he's not there someone might be able to help you. He designs and makes all sorts of whacky chamberings and of course builds barrels and has dies available for everything he designs. Not terribly expensive, on par with many higher end barrel makers but his gear is undoubtedly nice.
 

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Kinda stumped here, guess cause I've never had to deal with such restrictions. What can you use during the day? Are these regs for night hunting only?
Yes, night only.

From the MA Fish & Wildlife abstracts:

"Coyote and fox may be hunted with shotguns, muzzleloaders, and archery, as well as rifles and handguns with special nighttime restrictions (see Hunting Prohibitions)"

Hunting Prohibitions:

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•Rifles chambered to take ammunition larger than .22 caliber long rifle rimfire, and pistols and revolvers chambered to take ammunition larger than .38 caliber, between the hours of ½ hour after sunset and ½ hour before sunrise.
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Great idea checking with JD Jones - he's done weirder stuff with the Contender!
 
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I certainly am not questioning you but I'd read that as anything smaller than .38 caliber would be good to go. But I wouldn't want to be the test case either. That little 22 TCM should be a good performer for you with your intended uses. I wouldn't imagine you would be trying to pull off a clean kill at 200yds at night.

Worse case is you end up not liking the 22 TCM, just send it to SSK and have the chamber reamed to any reasonable .22 of your liking.
 

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I read it the same way as you, but the Environmental Police have their own reading on it....

MGM will do a 13" 22 TCM for $250 - as nice as SSK barrels are, MGM seems a better price point for experimentation. The TCM seems to have pretty good support at the moment for brass, dies, etc. too.
 
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You really can't go wrong with almost any contender barrel. The factory ones shoot better than most people and the aftermarkets are better by a smidge. Its a pretty niche market, so the guys that make gear for these platforms generally do a great job.
 
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While loading up some 260 last night, it occurred to me that there should be a solution for the screwed up MA coyote hunting nighttime caliber restrictions.

For those of you not trapped in the DPRofMA, the usual interpretation of the restrictions are chambered no larger than 22LR in a rifle, 38 Spl. in a pistol. I stipulate that it's stupid - MA is MA.

None of the acceptable rifle cartridges are good on coyote. What I was thinking was the answer is on the pistol side. A Contender pistol, chambered in something that fits inside the dimensions of a 38 Spl that would work on coyote. Say, a 38 necked down to 22, or 7.62x25. When I had a chance to start looking, the 22 TCM was the first thing that jumped out at me.



Plenty of 223 bullets good for coyote, and seems to have the speed to make them work. MGM lists it as one of their chambers for Contender barrels. Anything obvious I've missed, and are there any other cartridges out there in wildcat land that would work?
I shoot a lot of contenders. Are the restrictions in MA that you have to have a "Pistol" round smaller than 38? Or a pistol cartridge? Theoretically, if it has to be in a pistol but smaller than 38, you could go with .223, 30-30 and so on. If it has to be a pistol cartridge no bigger than .38, you could go with 357 Maximum.

But, to keep things simple, 218 Bee, 22 Hornet and .17 Rem are all good performers.

ETA, I just re-read your post. So........it has to fit inside the dimensions of a 38spl? You should create your own wildcat called the "MA workaround" and neck down a 38spl case kinda like the 22/454
Yep - the actual written law says 38 caliber, but the usual interpretation from the EPOs is it has to fit inside the dimensions of the 38Spl cartridge (or 22 LR in rifles). Those cartridges you suggested would be perfect, and certainly fit inside the letter of the law, but won't keep you out of court proving it. I was thinking a cartridge that keeps you from being a test case. I was hoping that something out there already existed, because if I need to research designing a wildcat this could become another unfinished project.
I gotcha. I've heard of some dumb laws and rules, but that one is sure up there. So, yes the 22 TCM would be a good option. There's the 17 Bumble Bee, but that's a little on the light side for coyotes. 38 SPL could in fact work with a premium bullet and keeping shots inside 50 yards, but that seems like allot of work and limited in the scope of all things.

Kinda stumped here, guess cause I've never had to deal with such restrictions. What can you use during the day? Are these regs for night hunting only?
I certainly am not questioning you but I'd read that as anything smaller than .38 caliber would be good to go. ...
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Might be stirring up a hornets nest here but the 17HMR is a poor choice for coyote. I'm well aware of people who have done it and heard all the stories, but it's a marginal performer in anything larger than a jackrabbit. Thin 17gr projectiles at rim fire speed are stopped pretty easily by a rib, shoulder blade ect.

We we did field clearing for a jack rabbit problem and used 17HMR's, only excellent shots (head, or the tiny vital zone) put them down cleanly, other ran off with their guts trailing behind them or flopped endlessly. I'm talking 100 or more jacks over a weekend. I've seen more coyotes wounded and run off from the somehow miraculous 17HMR than any other caliber combined.
 

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Workable pistols, but I don't think any of them is going to carry enough velocity to stretch out the effective nighttime range on coyote the way a rifle without the stupid restrictions would.

Maybe a 15"" 17 HMR Contender pistol... could still get some decent velocities at that barrel length. 14" 17 HMR is a factory available barrel, too. Could do the same with the 22 TCM, as well. In the same neighborhood as the 22 Hornet, but based on a parent case you can pick off the ground on any range in the US. 17 HMR would certainly be easier, since I already shoot it.

Hmmm......
 
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