Aiming for safety: Northampton’s Thornes Marketplace will prep for potential shooter situation

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NORTHAMPTON — Thornes Marketplace is one of the one of the cornerstones of Northampton’s downtown, with a steady flow of foot traffic throughout the shopping center ensured by its connecting Main Street with the E.J. Gare Parking Garage.

But in a country that currently averages nearly two mass shootings a day, that popularity could also make Thornes a potential target — a fact that isn’t lost on its ownership and management.

“We’re chronically inundated with those types of statistics,” said Jody Doele, the co-owner and marketing manager for Thornes. “We feel like we’re a little bit of a destination downtown, so we probably run a greater risk than the average business.”

While shootings are relatively rare in Massachusetts, it isn’t unheard of for a mall to be the site of sudden public violence, including in the Pioneer Valley — in January, a Springfield man opened fire at the Holyoke Mall, killing one person.

Doele said she felt it was the responsibility of Thornes to take preventive measures should a similar incident ever arise downtown.

“It’s almost like not an if, but when thing, unfortunately,” she said. “It may not be here, but it may be somewhere in our community and we just feel like we have a responsibility to prepare in the best way we can.”

To address the concern, Thornes staff and business owners plan on holding a training session at the mall on what to do in the case of an active shooter situation. The training will be provided by Protective Advanced Safety Services (PASS), based in Agawam and founded by two longtime law enforcement officials, John Nettis and Steve Grasso.

“The first thing we want to teach is the typology of personality traits that contribute to mass violence,” Nettis said. “Some of it would be drugs and alcohol, mental illness including depression and suicidal ideations; stalking is a big part of it.”

The mandatory training session will be scheduled for a Sunday sometime in the fall, and will teach how to alert employees when an emergency event is occurring, how to identify “red flags” among shoppers and employees, methods of barricading doors, and how to communicate with police.

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"According to the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit organization that keeps a database of incidents of mass shootings in the United States, as of June 25 there have been 331 mass shootings across the country since the start of 2023, with 387 people killed and 1.362 injured in those incidents."

Depending on how these anti-2A organization decide to define "mass shooting" (i.e., to best fit their agenda), they can get away with claiming any numbers they want. Funny how that is never pointed out by the leftist "mainstream" media. 🤔

They also fail to point out how much worse this has become in the corrupt socialist "Age of Biden" and in the uncontrolled criminal "Age of Soros Prosecutors."

Can't be gangs and criminals. :oops: Must be those right-wing un-woke white supremacist folks doing all this mass shooting... right? :rolleyes:
 
This shows how effective the Leftist media is in America spreading their propaganda. The reality is in most of the country crime has dropped. The rising crime places are mostly located in Blue States where Leftist Policies are coming home to roost. Gang bangers and killings are called mass shootings, gun violence. They are never called criminal violence nor does the Leftist Media point out the effect Leftist Policies have had on many BLUE cities across the country.

Northhampton is a stones throw on either side of Amherst Kook show where they inject radicalism into their veins to the other side of the coin Springfield which is a running example of what happens when Leftists are allowed to run a city.
 
Indeed, the suspect was also involved in a major drug case some years after this case. Sentenced to 3 yrs but is likely out by now. This crap is allowed to go on daily but of course....it's all our fault.....
 
A blast of pepper spray into the suspect's face and eyes had little effect and the struggle continued until other officers arrived on the scene, Savino said
 
A shod foot to the face could help in that scenario.

More recently a similar incident occurred in Springfield but this time a bystander (Pedro Perez) saved at least two cops lives by helping restrain the perp. Below is the link.

 
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This shows how effective the Leftist media is in America spreading their propaganda. The reality is in most of the country crime has dropped. The rising crime places are mostly located in Blue States where Leftist Policies are coming home to roost. Gang bangers and killings are called mass shootings, gun violence. They are never called criminal violence nor does the Leftist Media point out the effect Leftist Policies have had on many BLUE cities across the country.

Northhampton is a stones throw on either side of Amherst Kook show where they inject radicalism into their veins to the other side of the coin Springfield which is a running example of what happens when Leftists are allowed to run a city.
It's NOHO, Leftist Utopia. The city is going downhill, shops closing in downtown because of the leftist polices, homeless, drugs, crime, etc.
Good job Dems, used to be a great place for concerts, bars and restaurants. No more.
 
I used to love to go up to Northampton or Amherst in my mid 20s in the early 00s and bang liberal girls (back before all that crazy LBGABCDEFG)... so much fun...
I can't stand liberals and their stupid thinking. Pre Obama. All you had to say is Bush sucks. Now its a mess... anyhow.

I still think a weapons system similar to this in a secure locked authorized only "Emergency Box" could be an option... however.. who is going to run and engage an active shooter as a civilian.. especially in MA.

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True, employment-related incidents top the list on mass killings. Identifying customers that might be mass killers is going to be almost impossible, unless they walk in full Rambo-style. Identifying employees that might go berserk is a better idea, but difficult too, unless they’ve made threats. Firing them does little w/o engaging LE/mental health. Management has to be willing to take legal & physical risks - the odds a potential killer will get identified and put away are low and they just might move you to the top of their list or sue you. Getting them mental health care might be an option if they are covered by the company policy, but doing that w/o things blowing up will be difficult.

Deterrence - knowing there are multiple armed people on site at any given time - may be the strongest factor.

Teaching “Run, Hide, Fight“ is Fine, but people are dying by that time. A better option is “Fight or Run & Hide” - shoot back if necessary for you to live while others run & hide. But that requires you to have a gun.

By the time every store in Mexico City had an on/off-duty cop standing outside, their society had degraded to a shithole of state corruption and cartels. We’re nowhere near that, except in certain neighborhoods of predominantly Blue cities, abandoned by the Leftist elites.
 
Is Thornes market even relevant anymore? Most of downtown NoHo are just empty store fronts now and the businesses that do come in don't last for very long. Everything I've ever seen walking through Thornes, and that's about 10 minutes of walking, is something I could buy on Amazon for less money. All of the good restaurants are gone now or moved out. Any of the good businesses that targeted buyers are gone. I don't even like going there because the city does nothing about the aggressive pan handlers. NoHo is hanging on by a thread before it disappears. 24/7 never ending protesting liberals drove all the business away and today walking in the downtown area all I can smell is weed everywhere. During the Trump presidency they were doing protests every couple of days.

I can still remember a few years ago I had a friend visiting from Paris and I said let's meet up at Starbucks in downtown NoHo. Well that was a big mistake. Bums are just lying on the floor. One smelled like he sh*t himself. One was leaving the bathroom and I know one thing I wasn't going into the bathroom after that but he was acting erratically. There was some purple haired chick sitting in the corner who kept giving me the stink eye the entire time I was there. It was the grossest Starbucks I have ever walked into to. I believe it's gone today and moved somewhere else. It used to be a nice place until it turned into bum nirvana. It's all like that now.
 
I don't think it's that terrible just yet, but it's been in decline I'd say. Still some good restaurants: Fitzwilly's, High Brow, East Side, Mulino's.
I feel safer walking at night in downtown Northampton than I would in Springfield or Holyoke that's for sure.
In the Pioneer Valley as a whole I've noticed quite a bit more retail theft deterrence being installed where you never saw it before around here.
eg, Hadley Home Depot, they actually have the power tools in cages, Harbor Freight now has a turnstile installed. Sh!t you only saw in the city is now in the rural stores.
Thanks be to that the city thieves are now coming out to the rural areas to steal stuff.
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Is Thornes market even relevant anymore? Most of downtown NoHo are just empty store fronts now and the businesses that do come in don't last for very long. Everything I've ever seen walking through Thornes, and that's about 10 minutes of walking, is something I could buy on Amazon for less money. All of the good restaurants are gone now or moved out. Any of the good businesses that targeted buyers are gone. I don't even like going there because the city does nothing about the aggressive pan handlers. NoHo is hanging on by a thread before it disappears. 24/7 never ending protesting liberals drove all the business away and today walking in the downtown area all I can smell is weed everywhere. During the Trump presidency they were doing protests every couple of days.

I can still remember a few years ago I had a friend visiting from Paris and I said let's meet up at Starbucks in downtown NoHo. Well that was a big mistake. Bums are just lying on the floor. One smelled like he sh*t himself. One was leaving the bathroom and I know one thing I wasn't going into the bathroom after that but he was acting erratically. There was some purple haired chick sitting in the corner who kept giving me the stink eye the entire time I was there. It was the grossest Starbucks I have ever walked into to. I believe it's gone today and moved somewhere else. It used to be a nice place until it turned into bum nirvana. It's all like that now.
Herrels Ice cream is the only reason we stop there
 
Lol sounds like one of the players in that article is inhaling a lot of their own farts. Yeah a spree shooter is going to target an empty mall in the middle of nowhere. 🤣
 
I spent a good amount of time back in 90-91 at the Brewery. Back when it was that, or getting a sixer of Sam Adams, if you didn't want a big name brand. I haven't been back in. . . . probably 25 years. No reason to go.
 
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