I was at Fort Sill to see my son graduate from basic training and while at the PX I saw that they sold 5.11 products. I would likely never wear any of their clothing, except maybe the cargo shorts, because most of their line screams airsoft mall ninja. Though, I noticed they sold nylon belts that look a lot like the nylon belts that come with casual shorts, only thick and rigid as hell. For $40 I bought one and I have to say I'm very impressed. I've only ever worn Walmart belts and this is the first dedicated gun belt I've worn. So far it's a big difference. No sag at all on the side the gun is worn and it keeps it nice and snug against my body, which in turn conceals it more effectively. I do have a horsehide belt on order from thebeltman.net, but it's not due in for a few more weeks, and the horsehide belt is more than twice the cost. For anyone looking for a decent gun belt for a reasonable price I highly recommend the 5.11 operator belt.