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2 Interseting peices of case law relative to the AWB and civil rights

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I did a search and didn't find this (which I found hard to believe) but if I missed it, go ahead and race to see who can be the first to yell "DUPE"

TWO SUPREME COURT DECISIONS THE ANTI-GUNNERS DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE

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TWO SUPREME COURT DECISIONS THE ANTI-GUNNERS DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE

Carl F. Worden

January 15, 2013

There are two Supreme Court rulings that directly relate to the current anti-Assault Weapon issue everyone needs to be reminded of.

The first is United States v. Miller 1939. Miller possessed a sawed-off shotgun banned under the National Firearms Act. He argued that he had a right to bear the weapon under the Second Amendment, but the Supreme Court ruled against him. Why? At the time, sawed-off shotguns were not being used in a military application, and the Supremes ruled that since it didn't, it was not protected. Even though Miller lost that argument, the Miller case set the precedent that protected firearms have a military, and thus a legitimate and protected Militia use. The military now uses shotguns regularly, but not very short, sawed-off shotguns, but an AR-15/AK-47 type weapon is currently in use by the military, therefore it is a protected weapon for the Unorganized Militia, which includes just about every American citizen now that both age and sex discrimination are illegal. (The original Militia included men of age 17-45) Therefore any firearm that is applicable to military use is clearly protected under Article II, and that includes all those nasty-looking semi-automatic black rifles, including full 30 round magazines.

The second important case is that of John Bad Elk v. United States from 1900. In that case, an attempt was made to arrest Mr. Bad Elk without probable cause, and Mr. Bad Elk killed a policeman who was attempting the false arrest. Bad Elk had been found guilty and sentenced to death. However, the Supreme Court ruled that Bad Elk had the right to use any force, including lethal force, to prevent his false arrest, even if the policeman was only trying to arrest him and not kill him. Basically, the Supremes of the day ruled that as a citizen, you have the right to defend against your civil rights being violated using ANY force necessary to prevent the violation, even if the offending party isn't trying to kill you.

Both of these cases are standing law to this day.

The Miller decision clearly includes AR-15/AK-47 type weapons as having a military application. The Bad Elk decision means that if the government tries to confiscate your AR-15/AK-47, or arrest you for having one, you can kill the offenders on the spot, even if they are not trying to kill you.

I didn't make these decisions; the United States Supreme Court did.

Carl F. Worden


I did a little google search and at least found these cases to be real:

United States v Miller 1939. United States v. Miller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

John Bad Elk v. United States 1900 JOHN BAD ELK, , v. UNITED STATES. | Supreme Court | LII / Legal Information Institute
 
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The part of Heller that says Common Use is glossed over by the media pretty frequently. How about the most popular gun in the US... common use? Arbitrary and capricious also comes to mind.

Mike
 
You'll also note that in Miller, no one showed up for the defense. It's one of the worst SCOTUS decisions on the books and should be viewed up there with Dred Scott.
 
won't fly this day ad age.
you'll rot in a cell for the rest of your days best case scenario. worst case - LEOs will hunt you down and kill you dead even if acquitted.
blue brotherhood doesn't take lightly to when someone doesn't bow to their authority and dares to shoot back.
we are living in totally different world here in 2013
 
The common use issue vis-a-vis the AR is the obvious constitutional issue and should not be particularly hard. The more challenging issues will be whether the govt can tax firearms or ammo or accessories, or otherwise limit the usefulness/effectiveness of firearms by making licensing difficult (as we see in MA and as has been the subject of recent court decisions in MD) or imposing all sorts of other burdens on firearms ownership (mag limits, one gun per month, liability insurance, storage laws, etc.). There will be no end to the laws that various states will pass and that will have to be litigated.
 
I find it hard to believe sawed-offs have not seen use in the military. Really? No one's ever hacked one down while overseas?
This has been discussed, Miller was a miscarriage for this reason among other things. They we in fact in use for military purpose at the time. They had dinged NFA34 once and clearly wanted to let it slide this time.
 
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Not sure if this one has been mentioned, but this is also a very interesting case.

Haynes v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dealing with a felon who illegally possessed a SBS and never registered it under the NFA. Was arrested, convicted and eventually overturned because of the 5th amendment, specifically self-incrimination.

Yep, basically it means that a prohibited person can not be tried for failing to notify a government agency that they have an illegal firearm as that notification would violate their fifth amendment rights against self incrimination. One of my favorite cites when liberals demand registration.

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won't fly this day ad age.
you'll rot in a cell for the rest of your days best case scenario. worst case - LEOs will hunt you down and kill you dead even if acquitted.
blue brotherhood doesn't take lightly to when someone doesn't bow to their authority and dares to shoot back.
we are living in totally different world here in 2013

There's a saying that goes : "After the first one, all the rest are free."
 
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