WSJ Article - "The Rise of Untraceable 'Ghost Guns'"

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I fear that the biggest problem with "ghost guns" is anti-gunners pushing harder for a total ban instead of recognizing that bad guys will always find a way. There's nothing to stop low-budget bad guys from buying an old Bridgeport for $1500, cranking out lowers and reinvesting the profits until they have several CNC machines running. Basement shops could pop up in every town like meth labs and then more hysteria and more laws.

Or set up as an ffl/07 and do the same thing above board.

Assuming one is not already a prohibited person, the only additional overhead is a couple license fees and a suitably zoned address. Depending on your state of residence, of course. MA throws a few more rules at you.
 

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I think Cody Wilson is a genius.

He will sell his ghost gunner machine and create great interest in ghost guns.

Eventually the antis will go apaplectic and propose some rediculus laws.

The laws will be so crazy and their supporters will end up losing their seats in Congress.

People will see the antis as being such fools.

The law of unintended consequences will result is more freedom and stronger second amendment rights.

Cody will come out smelling like roses for exposing the antis as a bunch of boobs.

Maybe then, in Massachusetts, the government will end up going after real criminals who commit violent crimes rather then arresting decent gun owners.
 

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For those interested...A bit one-sided

Really??? I read it twice. The WSJ is actually pretty damned good of keeping their opinions on the Op/Ed page. Like EXCEPTIONALLY well.

They stated facts. They wrote a story. Something that may or may not be of interest to readers. They wrote that

A) Ghost guns are home-made guns
B) Ghost guns are sold to others, which is a federal crime
C) This dink sold 10 of them and is gonna do some federal PMITA prison

They didn't call for a new law. They didn't decry people making guns for themselves.

Sometimes, just because an article isn't RAH RAH SIS BOOM BAH GUNS, doesn't mean it's anti-gun. It was a pretty even-handed piece. Any anti quotes are from anti's. And they had info and quotes from the industry. All in all, for MSM (and I really don't categorize the WSJ as MSM), it was good.

For those interested, if you want a good smattering of news every day - albeit somewhat slanted towards finance, you can do much much worse than the WSJ. They don't march to a drummer. They hate Trump and love his policies. Well, some of them. Ditto for Obama. Fair and honest. Possibly the last hold-out. :(

Wait until they hear about the Filipinos making 1911s with hacksaws and files.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq1TXEE_QK4

Funny they Fillies are sending handguns here and the Californyanz are sending guns elsewhere. ????? Maybe if the Filipinos made ghost guns and this guy in the article made 1911's, there'd be less legal problems. ;)

Don't forget the Glock 7.


Damn. There's over a month of my pay right there.
 
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WSJ??

They think they smell an untapped market where the biffs and Hollingsworth’s are not profiting.

Eta: the never trumpers of the bush wing at the wsj are trying to poison the water before a number of pro gun bills go before the senate .

The mega butt hurt is never ending.
 
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Really??? I read it twice. The WSJ is actually pretty damned good of keeping their opinions on the Op/Ed page. Like EXCEPTIONALLY well.

They stated facts. They wrote a story. Something that may or may not be of interest to readers. They wrote that

A) Ghost guns are home-made guns
B) Ghost guns are sold to others, which is a federal crime
C) This dink sold 10 of them and is gonna do some federal PMITA prison

They didn't call for a new law. They didn't decry people making guns for themselves.

Sometimes, just because an article isn't RAH RAH SIS BOOM BAH GUNS, doesn't mean it's anti-gun. It was a pretty even-handed piece. Any anti quotes are from anti's. And they had info and quotes from the industry. All in all, for MSM (and I really don't categorize the WSJ as MSM), it was good.

For those interested, if you want a good smattering of news every day - albeit somewhat slanted towards finance, you can do much much worse than the WSJ. They don't march to a drummer. They hate Trump and love his policies. Well, some of them. Ditto for Obama. Fair and honest. Possibly the last hold-out. :(



Funny they Fillies are sending handguns here and the Californyanz are sending guns elsewhere. ????? Maybe if the Filipinos made ghost guns and this guy in the article made 1911's, there'd be less legal problems. ;)



Damn. There's over a month of my pay right there.

The article avoided the uselessness or tracing a gun.
 

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I bet if we added RFID chips to all guns and embed them in all bullets, then setup RFID scanners on all public ways, buildings and possibly even in peoples homes we could make sure all the scary things stay locked up tight where nobody can ever use them. And if some nefarious person DOES try to bring one out of the house we can track them to their destination and foil their schemes.
 

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I bet if we added RFID chips to all guns and embed them in all bullets, then setup RFID scanners on all public ways, buildings and possibly even in peoples homes we could make sure all the scary things stay locked up tight where nobody can ever use them. And if some nefarious person DOES try to bring one out of the house we can track them to their destination and foil their schemes.

Wouldn't it just be easier and more cost effective to chip the people?

"foil their schemes" <snicker>
 
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Deep in the jungles of Borneo, poor natives are making ghost crock pot pressure cookers to sell on the black market.

FBI forensics show the boston bombers used unregistered pots in their attack.

Time to close the pot cooker loophole.
 

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Wouldn't it just be easier and more cost effective to chip the people?

"foil their schemes" <snicker>

They don't NEED to chip the people. They've chipped themselves. Including, sadly, even me.

When was the last time you saw an average 20 something / 30 something voluntarily separated from their cell phone?
 

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Gets worse if you use something like Waze, which generates its traffic reports by having every user report their speeds and locations every few seconds.

Speaking as an Asian by popular assumption, we all use Waze.

We've chipped ourselves with cell phones and apps like Waze and we've invited NSA to plant bugs (Echo, Alexa, whatever the heck her name is) in our homes...

I refer you to the second to last line in my sig...
 
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We've chipped ourselves with cell phones and apps like Waze and we've invited NSA to plant bugs (Echo, Alexa, whatever the heck her name is) in our homes....
Since we're already well down the slippery slope, you may as well have some fun with it. First time you walk into someone's home, loudly say "Alexa, order 500 pounds cow manure. Alexa, confirm purchase". At least you'll know if Amazon is listening. ;)
 
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Ok explain this for me techies,

I have a generic face plant account read only, I never post have no friends.

Location services linked to my phone,

Went to a party at s.i.l. ‘s house
The next day the people you may know list shows up with her account .
How much tin foil do I need to amazon order?
 

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Really??? I read it twice. The WSJ is actually pretty damned good of keeping their opinions on the Op/Ed page. Like EXCEPTIONALLY well.

They stated facts. They wrote a story. Something that may or may not be of interest to readers. They wrote that

A) Ghost guns are home-made guns
B) Ghost guns are sold to others, which is a federal crime
C) This dink sold 10 of them and is gonna do some federal PMITA prison

They didn't call for a new law. They didn't decry people making guns for themselves.

Sometimes, just because an article isn't RAH RAH SIS BOOM BAH GUNS, doesn't mean it's anti-gun. It was a pretty even-handed piece. Any anti quotes are from anti's. And they had info and quotes from the industry. All in all, for MSM (and I really don't categorize the WSJ as MSM), it was good.

For those interested, if you want a good smattering of news every day - albeit somewhat slanted towards finance, you can do much much worse than the WSJ. They don't march to a drummer. They hate Trump and love his policies. Well, some of them. Ditto for Obama. Fair and honest. Possibly the last hold-out. :(



Funny they Fillies are sending handguns here and the Californyanz are sending guns elsewhere. ????? Maybe if the Filipinos made ghost guns and this guy in the article made 1911's, there'd be less legal problems. ;)



Damn. There's over a month of my pay right there.


You'd be surprised what I make in a month.
 

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Ok explain this for me techies,

I have a generic face plant account read only, I never post have no friends.

Location services linked to my phone,

Went to a party at s.i.l. ‘s house
The next day the people you may know list shows up with her account .
How much tin foil do I need to amazon order?

Facebook knew you and at least one other person were at a certain address and that it may have been a party. That's enough info for FB to correlate you with everyone that FB knows to have been there that night or even was tagged by someone that was.

That's not even a hard one.
 

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$115 for a 1911?? They are seriously under charging for those. They look very nice.

except for $115 in Philippines you can get like a dozen hookers, a bag of blow and party like it's 1999. Try doing same in Boston on the same budget.
I fear that the biggest problem with "ghost guns" is anti-gunners pushing harder for a total ban instead of recognizing that bad guys will always find a way. There's nothing to stop low-budget bad guys from buying an old Bridgeport for $1500, cranking out lowers and reinvesting the profits until they have several CNC machines running. Basement shops could pop up in every town like meth labs and then more hysteria and more laws.

There is not a whole lot of market for that, if you need lots of rifles there are proper traffickers who can provide you with better guns and lower prices and all options like full auto on. This 80% faggotry is for amateurs.

anti-gunners just need to keep busy, it's never ending business for them, guns, anti-2a, there will always be children needing to be saved from the next new thing. It has nothing to do with ghostiness.
 
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Really??? I read it twice. The WSJ is actually pretty damned good of keeping their opinions on the Op/Ed page. Like EXCEPTIONALLY well.

They stated facts. They wrote a story. Something that may or may not be of interest to readers. They wrote that

A) Ghost guns are home-made guns
B) Ghost guns are sold to others, which is a federal crime
C) This dink sold 10 of them and is gonna do some federal PMITA prison

They didn't call for a new law. They didn't decry people making guns for themselves.

Sometimes, just because an article isn't RAH RAH SIS BOOM BAH GUNS, doesn't mean it's anti-gun. It was a pretty even-handed piece. Any anti quotes are from anti's. And they had info and quotes from the industry. All in all, for MSM (and I really don't categorize the WSJ as MSM), it was good.

For those interested, if you want a good smattering of news every day - albeit somewhat slanted towards finance, you can do much much worse than the WSJ. They don't march to a drummer. They hate Trump and love his policies. Well, some of them. Ditto for Obama. Fair and honest. Possibly the last hold-out. :(



Funny they Fillies are sending handguns here and the Californyanz are sending guns elsewhere. ????? Maybe if the Filipinos made ghost guns and this guy in the article made 1911's, there'd be less legal problems. ;)



Damn. There's over a month of my pay right there.
 

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You and I know the correct answer to this. Liberals convince themselves otherwise.
Its not about reducing crime (thats what govt services are actually for). Someone who would disarm you has declared they want you dead or in chains. Thats why liberals want the guns, in order to make you comply. Thats why govt also must control everything like food, water, pay, etc.
 

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News Flash, it is illegal to make and sell guns without an appropriate FFL. This ideological fear porn is effective with people who are clueless...
 

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News Flash, it is illegal to make and sell guns without an appropriate FFL. This ideological fear porn is effective with people who are clueless...

No it isn't. It is legal to make a gun for yourself and at some point, come to the conclusion that "this gun's not for me" and sell or give it away. There is no federal law requiring a serial number either to build or to later transfer the firearm. State laws may vary.

If you made it with the intent to do so, or if you make a habit of doing this, you're going to get free room and board for a while.
 

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No it isn't. It is legal to make a gun for yourself and at some point, come to the conclusion that "this gun's not for me" and sell or give it away. There is no federal law requiring a serial number either to build or to later transfer the firearm. State laws may vary.

If you made it with the intent to do so, or if you make a habit of doing this, you're going to get free room and board for a while.
You better double check. It was my understanding (from reading some BATFE docs some years ago) that if at any point you decide to sell/transfer your home-built gun, that you must then put a S/N on it.
 

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You better double check. It was my understanding (from reading some BATFE docs some years ago) that if at any point you decide to sell/transfer your home-built gun, that you must then put a S/N on it.

The only S/N requirements I can find from BATFE pertain to manufacturers and importers. The law appears to be silent about S/N on firearms that were manufactured by individuals for their own use.

The BATFEFAQ for receiver blanks does state that receivers that meet the definition of a “firearm” must have markings, including a serial number. See 27 CFR § 478.92. However that CFR pertains specifically to manufacturers, not to individuals.

Receiver Blanks | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

I have a fondness for certain numbers and would probably engrave anything I personally built with some of them. As a result, for many years the two Novell networks at a certain mid sized test and measurement manufacturer were 0xcoffee and 0xdecafe. At some point these numbers WILL find there way onto a matched pair of pistols or rifles.
 

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The only S/N requirements I can find from BATFE pertain to manufacturers and importers. The law appears to be silent about S/N on firearms that were manufactured by individuals for their own use.

The BATFEFAQ for receiver blanks does state that receivers that meet the definition of a “firearm” must have markings, including a serial number. See 27 CFR § 478.92. However that CFR pertains specifically to manufacturers, not to individuals.

Receiver Blanks | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

I have a fondness for certain numbers and would probably engrave anything I personally built with some of them. As a result, for many years the two Novell networks at a certain mid sized test and measurement manufacturer were 0xcoffee and 0xdecafe. At some point these numbers WILL find there way onto a matched pair of pistols or rifles.

I know for a fact the ATF determined under Obama around 2015 that finishing an 80% lower with someone else's equipment constituted manufacturing on the part of the equipments owner. So its not a stretch at all that the ATF will use that type of logic: that selling or giving your built firearm to someone constitutes manufacturing.
 

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You better double check. It was my understanding (from reading some BATFE docs some years ago) that if at any point you decide to sell/transfer your home-built gun, that you must then put a S/N on it.
Yup, to avoid the possibility of prosecution you would have to get a S/N through the ATF.

For a legal in-state sale of a slave state-registered 80% build you would probably only need whatever you typed into that system as the S/N. I guess it all depends on that system feeding into the ATF's system of S/N's or not.
 
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