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Mag blockers and modern magazines
- Thread starter Nicholas S Ratush
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''Large capacity feeding device'', (i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994. The term ''large capacity feeding device'' shall not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with,.22 caliber ammunition"
If I'm reading this right .22 is excluded from large capacity definition. Am I missing something?
That’s for “tubular” magazines like these:
Henry Golden Boy Rifle
Henry Golden Boy is chambered for .22 LR, .22 Magnum, or .17HMR
www.henryusa.com
BIG difference here - S&W gets in trouble and nobody goes to jail over it, they just pay a fine and move on.
Someone here gets in trouble over it and they're going to jail for a while, having an arrest on their record and all that entails, paying for lawyers, etc. even if they eventually beat the charge they're still f'd
1. Being permanently 10 rounds is not the requirement anyway
2. S&W have a team of lawyers to help determine what complied with the law. That’s a whole heap of a lot better legal effort than me or you could do. But if you want to play it super duper, triple dog safe and then by all means.
Corporate lawyers determine what the cheapest option is they can probably get away with and how much it will cost them if they get caught. Its all about the level of risk and liability they're willing to accept vs the profit margin, not necessarily what complies 100% with the law. Its a bad idea to use that as a benchmark for your personal liability as John Q Public citizen since the rules are different for us.
allen-1
NES Member
JFC.
So, my lever action .38/357 Rossi is illegal in MA.
And my Mossberg 930 is illegal in MA.
Let's not even talk about my Glocks or AR-15's.
The law only exempts .22LR tubular (Only) mags, nothing else. That said, yes there are other guns out there freely sold in MA that violates this law. If you get caught for any reason, you are f'd.
No case law TTBOMK on jury-rigging post-ban mags to make them compliant. My bet from my knowledge of LE, you would likely be arrested, prosecuted and it is a toss-up whether you get convicted or not (largely depends on how much money you have to pay for the BEST legal counsel!).
smokey-seven
NES Member
No. Pumps can be converted to more than 5 rounds. Extended Tubular magazines are common.
45collector
NES Member
No it isn't. Why would you think that? The mag tube won't accept more than 10 rounds whether .357 or .38 are used.
allen-1
NES Member
I just went downstairs and got the carbine out of the safe. I grabbed a box of .38spcl that I loaded, (OAL = 1.438 on the one I checked), and loaded TWELVE into the tube. Used the lever action to chamber and ejected all 12.
Took out a box of Remington UMC factory .38spcl. OAL = 1.463; ELEVEN rounds fit into the tube. All chambered and ejected fine.
Rossi Puma .357 imported by Interarms; purchased 04/25/87 for 274.95 (plus 20.62 tax) from Arms & Munitions in Fairfield, CT.
45collector
NES Member
High capacity assault-levergun!!
Suppose I should go see if more than 10 wadcutters would fit into mine.
Oh wait IDGAF.
PaulR
NES Member
IANAL, but my guess would be "no", for the simple reason once you "get" the non compliant magazine, you are not in compliance!!
Yea. Just get some compliant mags.
AHM
NES Member
Taipan01
NES Member
I understand the question is rhetorical but why would you want a permanently (meaning no way to convert it back without destroying it) limited magazine without the intent of being able to actually convert it to it's original capacity at some point? I have a number of pre-ban 30's but I don't use them. They are nice to have but I much prefer 20's (which are the bulk of my mags) as they are less cumbersome especially in the prone or bench but even those stay home most times as I shoot in groups of ten so why put wear and tear on them and I just use the 10's (same size). Pre-bans are still around if you want but they are at a premium.
