Gun Lobbyist Says Child Shooting Death Stats Would Be Lower 'If You Remove Black Males'

[Reptile]

A gun lobbyist in Colorado said during a committee hearing this week that statistics for gun-related deaths among children and adolescents would be lower “if you remove Black males in that age group from that.”

Gun Lobbyist Says Child Shooting Death Stats Would Be Lower 'If You Remove Black Males'

Rocky Mountain Gun Owners lobbyist Kevin Lorusso also said Jews in the Holocaust should've been able to shoot Nazis "on the way" to their own deaths.

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I have never heard something more racist than this.

Black Lives Matter!

 

[MGnoob]

It’s a stupid thing to say.
But it isn’t racist… what is the point of keeping track of statistics, unless numbers are racist.


Ah wait, these numbers are racist.

 

[SpaceCritter]

It's a well-established fact that a certain demographic comprising an eighth of the population is responsible for the majority of violent crime.

 

[weekendracer]

I was going to say something, but it would probably get taken out of context and make me sound bad. That guys message isn't wrong, but it isn't right either.

It's against the rules now to say having a strong single mother isn't such a good thing, instead of a strong nuclear family. 90% of what he's talking about is a lack of a good father in the house, no matter the amount of melatonin in the skin.

 

[SpaceCritter]

I was going to say something, but it would probably get taken out of context and make me sound bad.

You need to get past giving a shit what the humans think of you. Trust me: it's easier.

 

[Hailstorm]

Also take away anyone 18 and older as well. A statistic is a statistic. Numbers don't care about color. Unless you bend them to push a point that isn't truthful

 

[kalash]

I like that they threw in this bit:

Though Lorusso mentioned “illegally acquired and illegally possessed firearms,” he does not appear to have acknowledged that police shoot and kill Black people at a much higher rate than they do white people.

Actual number of unarmed blacks shot by cops every year? About a dozen.

Math is racist yo.

 

[rosco61]

Just look at one city on Monday after the weekend.

 

[SpaceCritter]

I like that they threw in this bit:

Actual number of unarmed blacks shot by cops every year? About a dozen.

Math is racist yo.

Blacks OFFEND at a much higher rate than do white people. (Or Latinos or Asians or...)

 

[kalash]

Blacks OFFEND at a much higher rate than do white people. (Or Latinos or Asians or...)

Correct. And every time people blame "systemic racism" for that, I remind them that cops aren't social workers or legislators so they don't care about whatever underlying societal issues may or may not lead to the crimes they're investigating.

Anyways, statistical data absolutely supports what that lobbying said but it doesn't fit the narrative so people are all up and arms.

I also agree with him about the Holocaust. It's why I think all Jews should be armed.

 

[Sparky123]

A gun lobbyist in Colorado said during a committee hearing this week that statistics for gun-related deaths among children and adolescents would be lower “if you remove Black males in that age group from that.”

Gun Lobbyist Says Child Shooting Death Stats Would Be Lower 'If You Remove Black Males'

Rocky Mountain Gun Owners lobbyist Kevin Lorusso also said Jews in the Holocaust should've been able to shoot Nazis "on the way" to their own deaths.

uk.news.yahoo.com

I have never heard something more racist than this.

Black Lives Matter!

Is it true, yes it is, but you just can't erase reality. Sadly, black people have always been at war with other black people, as a result, white people have been pulled into this war, in a sense have become casualties of it. Just look at the demographics of any city or town. Cities and towns with the highest black populations have the highest crime rate, especially gun violence. Is it racist to state facts, no, it's just reality?

 

[gerrycaruso]

If you say something that happens to be true, is it still racist?

 

[SKumar]

If you say something that happens to be true, is it still racist?

Depends which way you lean politically.

 

[glockstar]

Are the these facts alienating to some, possibly. Does that give us the right to excuse them and turn a blind eye to reality, it absolutely should not. As everyone above has said, the numbers are the numbers. Some folks just can’t get along no matter the circumstances and others simply feel that they are not a part of society, and can pretty much operate with impunity however they want knowing they have this race card to pull. That’s bullshit and we all know it. You get what you get because of what you’ve done, put shit in, get shit out.

 

[michaelpelosillc]

I think the racism here is twofold. First, it's a dumb thing to say as presented irrespective of the truth. You can always phrase things better. Second, all gun control laws were rooted in racism - designed to keep blacks, Native Americans, and the poor from not being able to legally own or afford firearms, especially in a post-slavery America. Sadly, minorities were shut out of two-hundred plus years of firearm ownership and the culture that goes along with it. Groups like the National African American Gun Association are trying to undo this.

Most gun control today is basically carrying on the tradition of racism and worsening the problem. Yet if you correctly state that "this demographic is the cause of a certain % of firearm violence," you become the racist. It's a trap, as is talking about demographics in such ways. Lose-lose situation across the board.

As I've told countless people: In New Hampshire, firearm ownership is basically a birthright. It's also one of the most peaceful, non-violent states. It's also 93% white, and the number is decreasing. Wonder why they are suddenly trying to enact new restrictive firearm laws?

 

[Uzi2]

Gun Lobbyist Says Child Shooting Death Stats Would Be Lower 'If You Remove Black Males'​

Could they print a more misleading title?

 

[MaroonedinMA]

Wouldn't associated death statistics be lower anytime you remove a subset of the population?

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Are Chicago shootings counted? IF they are, they shouldn't be.

 

[DitchDigger]

Well,,ur a white supremecist if ur white, so says the Left, U should have White guilt if ur white so says the Left, Ur homophobic if U think that a trans “female “ that’s still sporting his junk shouldn’t be competing in women’s sports,,,,,so says the Left,,,,
All depends on when the Left gets their panties in a bunch,,,

 

[Tartakovsky]

It's a well-established fact that a certain demographic comprising an eighth of the population is responsible for the majority of violent crime.

Its not even an eighth of the population. That demographic includes men and women. If you look at just men, who make up the overwhelming majority of violent crime committed in that demographic, its roughly 7% of the population, and that 7% is responsible for almost 60% of all violent crime in the US but hey, statistics are racist. But its not their fault, given that they’ve been marginalized and are all victims of systemic racism. They had no other choice but become violent criminal a**h***s. /s

 

[556USER]

It’s a stupid thing to say.
But it isn’t racist… what is the point of keeping track of statistics, unless numbers are racist.


Ah wait, these numbers are racist.

Absolutely. If you removed white males the numbers would go down as well. Just basic math. Nothing to see here.

 

[FalArAk]

Absolutely. If you removed white males the numbers would go down as well. Just basic math. Nothing to see here.

Im not so sure about that.

There would have to be more stats other than just "removing a subset decreases..."

 

[MaverickNH]

I think the racism here is twofold. First, it's a dumb thing to say as presented irrespective of the truth. You can always phrase things better. Second, all gun control laws were rooted in racism - designed to keep blacks, Native Americans, and the poor from not being able to legally own or afford firearms, especially in a post-slavery America. Sadly, minorities were shut out of two-hundred plus years of firearm ownership and the culture that goes along with it. Groups like the National African American Gun Association are trying to undo this.

Most gun control today is basically carrying on the tradition of racism and worsening the problem. Yet if you correctly state that "this demographic is the cause of a certain % of firearm violence," you become the racist. It's a trap, as is talking about demographics in such ways. Lose-lose situation across the board.

As I've told countless people: In New Hampshire, firearm ownership is basically a birthright. It's also one of the most peaceful, non-violent states. It's also 93% white, and the number is decreasing. Wonder why they are suddenly trying to enact new restrictive firearm laws?

I get your point - a lot of gun control was implemented by Southern Democrats to disarm Blacks in the Jim Crow era. But most Jim Crow laws were erased 50yr+ ago - time to let that arguement go. Every time that sullied Jim Crow era past is invoked against Democrats the tactic of dredging up 1619 Project origins of slavery and White Supremacy is validated. The rationale of gun laws today comes from elite Socialist liberals who want a Democrat-led government to alone maintain the power of armed force over all races, all genders, all citizens & residents of the US.

Gun control advocates will use any and all of their usual talking points against gun rights proponents - the Colorado guy just laid the Race Card on top of the deck showing and the gun control advocates played it as trump.

 

[ddeck]

I get your point - a lot of gun control was implemented by Southern Democrats to disarm Blacks in the Jim Crow era. But most Jim Crow laws were erased 50yr+ ago - time to let that arguement go. Every time that sullied Jim Crow era past is invoked against Democrats the tactic of dredging up 1619 Project origins of slavery and White Supremacy is validated. The rationale of gun laws today comes from elite Socialist liberals who want a Democrat-led government to alone maintain the power of armed force over all races, all genders, all citizens & residents of the US.

Gun control advocates will use any and all of their usual talking points against gun rights proponents - the Colorado guy just laid the Race Card on top of the deck showing and the gun control advocates played it as trump.

Most of New York’s gun laws were passed to keep firearms out of the hands of Italians and other immigrants. So, it was a mix of race and socioeconomic class that gave rise to most laws restricting firearm ownership.

 

[MaverickNH]

Most of New York’s gun laws were passed to keep firearms out of the hands of Italians and other immigrants. So, it was a mix of race and socioeconomic class that gave rise to most laws restricting firearm ownership.

That’s a good observation - in the big Northern cities, it was about holding down the most recent immigrants vs the indigenous Black population (Native Americans were moved West). Victor Davis Hansen points out that the early 20th Century US Communists tried to invoke class wars but that class was more fluid than race in the US - one could rise from lower to middle class but not from shift Black to White “White” is a fluid definition - Zimmerman, who is half Hispanic, was “White” in the press when he killed Travon Martin but can check the Hispanic box on government documentation. Asians are not Affirmative Action minorities in college admissions and are lumped in with White Italians, Middle-Eastern folks, etc.

Today, class remains nebulous as Biden tries to sing the Siren’s Song to the Blue-Collar population, but fails to attract the segment that maintains traditional views on gender, nuclear families, religion, etc. Blacks and Hispanics (and women) are segments with growing interest in gun rights.

Young, Black urban males are just political pawns whose deaths serve the purposes of both sides. “If” they stopped dying at elevated rates is a pure hypothetical - nobody has the slightest idea how to make that happen.

 

[michaelpelosillc]

I get your point - a lot of gun control was implemented by Southern Democrats to disarm Blacks in the Jim Crow era. But most Jim Crow laws were erased 50yr+ ago - time to let that arguement go. Every time that sullied Jim Crow era past is invoked against Democrats the tactic of dredging up 1619 Project origins of slavery and White Supremacy is validated. The rationale of gun laws today comes from elite Socialist liberals who want a Democrat-led government to alone maintain the power of armed force over all races, all genders, all citizens & residents of the US.

Gun control advocates will use any and all of their usual talking points against gun rights proponents - the Colorado guy just laid the Race Card on top of the deck showing and the gun control advocates played it as trump.

I'm referencing a point way before that. The earliest gun control measures (the earliest being in the VA House of Commons) we know of occurred in 1640 and specifically targeting blacks. This intensified after the conclusion of the Civil War, because many in government viewed blacks as having firearms as dangerous. Then, you had your Saturday Night Special bans of the South (1870-1907) which put firearm ownership out of the hands of all minority groups and the poor, but specifically targeted blacks. This was the foundation of the "roster" laws in effect in some states. In 1911, New York gave police the sole power to grant gun permits. Again, anyone that wasn't a white male effectively got denied on the basis of them not being white and male.

Modern gun control - the past 50 years or so- actually originated under Ronald Reagan (in my opinion). As governor of CA, he signed into law the Mulford Act of 1967. The purpose was to break the Black Panther Party because they open carried and had a few incidents with police where it's debatable if the police started the incident or not. The Mulford Act was fully supported by the NRA.

The whole system of permitting is rotten, as are "suitability standards," which has always given police any reason to deny anyone for a permit. For 70+ years, that meant if you looked or acted differently than what the permitting officer wanted, you weren't getting a permit. I don't think it's as much to do with Jim Crow as it is politicians, no matter who is in power, want to be able to control everything, everyone, and everywhere. Has any Republican President actually expanded firearm rights recently? Has a Republican led Congress done more than give lip service? The 1994 AWB passed the Senate 95-4. 38 Republicans voted in the affirmative. Few and far between are genuine 2A supporters in government.

 

[sstom]

It's a well-established fact that a certain demographic comprising an eighth of the population is responsible for the majority of violent crime.

Thank You

 

[smokey-seven]

Child Shooting Death Stats Would Be Lower 'If You Remove Black Males'​

It would really lower the stats if they removed children from the study.

 

[MaverickNH]

A former work colleague that hasn’t unfriended me on FB posted the story below:

Firearms are the Leading Cause of Death for Children in the United States But Rank No Higher Than Fifth in Other Industrialized Nations | KFF

Firearms are now the number one cause of death for children in the United States, but rank no higher than fifth in 11 other large and wealthy countries, a new KFF analysis finds. Guns – including accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides – killed 4,357 children (ages 1-19 years old) in the...

www.kff.org

I gave him the Snopes bust on that, noting that the claim is true only for a specific age range (1-19) and time range (2020-2021) but not otherwise. Cherry-picked data.

Are Guns the Leading Cause of Death for Children in the US?

Motor vehicle-related crashes used to be the leading cause of death among children and teens.

www.snopes.com

He says I’m nitpicking, I’m missing the point - what about that evil NRA and higher firearms homicide rates in the US vs other countries. Christian Republicans with blood of shot children on their hands, blah, blah, blah…

This is the typical anti-gun person’s profile - moral outrage that they have to address lousy evidence that supports their belief. It’s hard to be “the majority” but still be losing.

 

[Palladin]

A former work colleague that hasn’t unfriended me on FB posted the story below:

Firearms are the Leading Cause of Death for Children in the United States But Rank No Higher Than Fifth in Other Industrialized Nations | KFF

Firearms are now the number one cause of death for children in the United States, but rank no higher than fifth in 11 other large and wealthy countries, a new KFF analysis finds. Guns – including accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides – killed 4,357 children (ages 1-19 years old) in the...

www.kff.org

I gave him the Snopes bust on that, noting that the claim is true only for a specific age range (1-19) and time range (2020-2021) but not otherwise. Cherry-picked data.

Are Guns the Leading Cause of Death for Children in the US?

Motor vehicle-related crashes used to be the leading cause of death among children and teens.

www.snopes.com

He says I’m nitpicking, I’m missing the point - what about that evil NRA and higher firearms homicide rates in the US vs other countries. Christian Republicans with blood of shot children on their hands, blah, blah, blah…

This is the typical anti-gun person’s profile - moral outrage that they have to address lousy evidence that supports their belief. It’s hard to be “the majority” but still be losing.

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