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Armed Patrol wants New Haven residents to take safety into their own hands despite opposition

There’s a new push by some in the Elm City to have armed patrols out on the streets as a means to address crime. But community activists and the New Haven mayor say it’s a bad idea.

Cornell Lewis runs the Self-Defense Brigade, which provides training for residents on how to protect themselves through martial arts and legally obtained weapons.

He says he’s recently been contacted by three New Haven residents who are looking to obtain training and take matters into their own hands. Of those three residents, one is from an apartment complex in Westville where there has recently been a string of car break-ins, according to Lewis.

“We have to meet with them and then we will lay out how we’re doing it here in Hartford, and then we will go through the steps. After that, they may have to modify what we’re doing to fit their situation.”

Lewis says dozens are involved in the organization, which currently has chapters in New London and Norwich. He says the he started the group because politicians were not doing enough to address gun violence.

“We’re not a bunch of rag-tag, crazy-eyed vigilantes running around. We have a right to carry our guns,” he said. “In the past, we used the same strategy in the North end (of Hartford) to run out two gangs.”

Hartford Mayor Arunan Arulampalam told News 8 “community residents here in Hartford have roundly denounced this” and that he is working with other organizations such as the NAACP and Mothers United Against Violence to come up with alternative solutions.

New Haven mayor Justin Elicker also strongly opposes the idea of armed patrols in his city.

“It’s a bad idea and it’s not welcome and there’s a number of reasons for that. We need fewer guns on our street, not more,” he said.

Elicker says while there is more work to be done to prevent gun violence in the city, crime rates have dropped by 42% from 2023 to 2024.

Data shared with News 8 by the city shows the number of people shot this year is sitting at 25, compared to 38 at this time last year.

For homicides, there have been four compared to 11 at this time last year, and for the number of shots fired, 21 – as opposed to 27 in 2023.

Leonard Jahad with the Connecticut Violence Intervention and Prevention program, which provides programs to youth about crime intervention, also says guns are not the answer.

“We don’t need people out there taking things into their own hands. It’s proven in other places that it hasn’t worked – and it won’t work here in New Haven also,” Jahad told News 8.

But Dexter Burke, who is currently conducting armed patrols with the Self-Defense Brigade following a fatal shooting near his church on Garden Street in Hartford, says their operation is effective.

“Thanks be to God, we’ve had no crime on Garden Street, no serious shooting since then…so it is making progress,” he said.

Burke also said the group wears body cameras and shares pertinent information related to crime in the area with police. Hartford police tell News 8 they are not commenting at this time. News 8 also has not yet heard back from the New Haven Police Department.

As for Lewis, he says he will be meeting and training the residents in New Haven over the next week. Elicker says he wants these residents considering engaging in armed patrols to contact him to discuss alternative solutions to addressing gun violence. Lewis says he is willing to come to the table with the mayor.
 
Mayor Justin Elicker

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Government officials ALWAYS FORGET......their authority comes from "WE THE PEOPLE", and when government fvcks up and doesn't do its job, then it is the right of the people to take over and do that job......no matter why or how much government officials disagree or oppose it.
 
There's a word for this... Vigi- something?

Oh yeah, Vigilance Committee! Doesn't have to be unlawful or racist, but there are groups out there which may as well be OSHA for criminals who will fight tooth-and-nail to keep taxpayers from undertaking self-help.
EXACTLY!!!!
AND THE POLITICIANS HATE IT, THE KARENS ARE IGNORANT AND SCARED SHITLESS OF IT AS WELL AS THE CRIMINALS.
 
Government officials ALWAYS FORGET......their authority comes from "WE THE PEOPLE", and when government fvcks up and doesn't do its job, then it is the right of the people to take over and do that job......no matter why or how much government officials disagree or oppose it.
Battle of Athens
 
New Haven police chief urges armed patrol to let officers do their jobs

New Haven’s police chief is addressing a proposal from a few residents who want to bring armed patrols to the Elm City in an effort to combat recent crime.
During a one-on-one interview with Chief Karl Jacobson, he wanted to stress that residents in the city should not be taking matters into their own hands. Despite an officer shortage, he says the public must have confidence in police to do their jobs.
“These are community issues that the police can handle, but we don’t need an armed patrol for that,” chief Jacobson told News 8.
It comes after Cornell Lewis with Hartford-based Self-Defense Brigade said he was contacted by three residents in New Haven with an interest in being trained to bring armed patrols to the city. On Thursday, the chief said his top concerns include a lack of use-of-force training among civilians.
“I think officers are trained way more than anyone could be trained. We do de-escalation, we do firearms training, we do everything we can to not shoot somebody,” he said. “We’re talking 26 weeks of police training, so that you don’t have to take a life.”
Lewis responded Thursday, telling News 8, “Ever since George Floyd’s death, we’ve been patrolling in neighborhoods and we’ve been providing armed legal security for a lot of the protests for Black Lives Matter movement. We’ve been confronted by racist neo-Nazis and terrorists. We have training — in terms of guns. We know how to shoot at the range, and the on-the-job training has provided us with the necessary skills.”
Lewis says one of the pro-patrol residents is from New Haven’s Westville neighborhood. A community meeting was held last week to address a string of vehicle break-ins in recent months.
Alderman Richard Furlow represents the area and says the suspects are teenagers.
“We know these are kids, so are you going to shoot a child?” Furlow said. “It’s just very dangerous, and I just think more residents would be afraid to have people walking around arming themselves than those who are actually doing crime.”
Lewis said, “We are not going to shoot any kids… we are legally armed, so to suggest that we’re going to pull out some guns on 14-15-year-old kids, no. We’re not going to do that, however, people have a right to protect themselves.”
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If the public were doing their jobs to begin with, the police wouldn't be necessary.
If the public wasn't prevented by government from exercising their rights of self defense and defense of their neighbors, the police wouldn't be necessary.
 
It's basic Peelian Principles. Police are merely employed full time to do what all citizens should do on their own. Police are not supposed to have any special authority, and certainly no exemption from the law.

Now we have the King's Men as a standing army, with special powers and special privileges.
 
It's basic Peelian Principles. Police are merely employed full time to do what all citizens should do on their own. Police are not supposed to have any special authority, and certainly no exemption from the law.

Now we have the King's Men as a standing army, with special powers and special privileges.
That's why elected sheriffs are a better choice than an incorporated police department where officers are appointed. That system has been completely corrupted and thoroughly distrusted by the public.

An elected sheriff can be easily removed from office on the next election cycle.......try removing a municipal or state cop or chief of police.
 
That's why elected sheriffs are a better choice than an incorporated police department where officers are appointed. That system has been completely corrupted and thoroughly distrusted by the public.

An elected sheriff can be easily removed from office on the next election cycle.......try removing a municipal or state cop or chief of police.
...and Connecticut amended its state constitution to do away with sheriffs completely.

All the sheriffs' deputies who used to serve your divorce papers became judicial marshals instead.
 
That's why elected sheriffs are a better choice than an incorporated police department where officers are appointed. That system has been completely corrupted and thoroughly distrusted by the public.

An elected sheriff can be easily removed from office on the next election cycle.......try removing a municipal or state cop or chief of police.
The western states style sheriff who is the chief LEO of the county is largely a myth.

In the places where they still have total power, it's rarely a good thing.
 
The western states style sheriff who is the chief LEO of the county is largely a myth.

In the places where they still have total power, it's rarely a good thing.
How so? briefly.

Are you referring to the "Absolute power corrupts absolutely theory"?

I'll take a county sheriff as CLEO any day over a state police or municipal police chief.
 
How so? briefly.

Are you referring to the "Absolute power corrupts absolutely theory"?

I'll take a county sheriff as CLEO any day over a state police or municipal police chief.
The myth of the untouchable absolute power sheriff is exactly that: a myth. There are few places that it remains anything close to true.
 
Community groups that organize and have 6 person groups walking around, that's a good idea, most criminals prefer not to be watched. And if they want to CC, well it's not a bad idea.
I would feel differenty about them openly carrying long guns or even hand guns. This is because having organized armed groups walking the street in my community isn't the image I want. Certainly they have their rights, it's just a bad look. To be clear, 6 cops with rifles walking down the sidewalk and I'd fee the same, it's a bad look and I don't want it.
Then again I don't like the military image that cops have adopted, they should go back the shirt and tie uniforms.

And the same goes for baseball bats or other weapon, you feel the need, get one of these. Very affective, fits in your back pocket next to you wallet very well (now how do I know that [smile] ) and far less antagonistic.
ASP Expandable Baton | Concealable Police Batons | ASP Inc I wonder how long ago they stopped making the 32" version.
 
And the same goes for baseball bats or other weapon, you feel the need, get one of these. Very affective, fits in your back pocket next to you wallet very well (now how do I know that [smile] ) and far less antagonistic.
ASP Expandable Baton | Concealable Police Batons | ASP Inc I wonder how long ago they stopped making the 32" version.
Except that CT has a carrying dangerous weapons statute. Batons and some other items are specifically named in that statute.

Sec. 53-206. Carrying of dangerous weapons prohibited.

PS: There are some politicians would like nothing more than seeing the peasants totally defenseless with only a cellphone to call police.
 
Group backs down from plan to use armed patrols in New Haven

A group that planned to create armed citizen patrols in New Haven has backed down from the plan.

“We want to give them an opportunity and a chance to do that,” Dexter Burke, who leads the Self-Defense Brigade in Hartford and Walk in the Light Church of God. “We are reasonable men. We are not vigilantes. We are not opposed to the police department or the political leadership. We want to help solve the problems in the community.”

The group has a current patrol in Hartford.

The Self-Defense Brigade made the decision following a half-hour discussion on Tuesday. Instead, Burke said that there will be talks to start an unarmed block watch.

Police Chief Karl Jacobson and Mayor Justin Elicker had voiced their opposition to the group.

“If there’s a problem my door is open, come talk to us and we are going to be the police department this community wants,” Jacobson said.

Burke said there’s still work to be done.

“They are opposed to armed patrols but they are willing to sit down and have open dialogue for the interest of their people, we don’t see this in Hartford,” he said.

Cornell Lewis, who founded the group that provides training for the groups in Hartford, New London and Norwich, said the brigade’s success could help New Haven.

“We would be able to get information from people that trust us who might be opposed to saying the same information to police,” Lewis said. “We have to do things within the law, but we can push the envelope a little bit to get the job done.”

Jacobson stressed residents should not take matters into their own hands. Among his concerns a lack of use-of-force training among civilians.

“The armed brigade isn’t trained as well as officers,” Jacobson said. “It adds another person to the mix with a gun.”

While the department is currently down 70 officers, Jacobson said the city’s violent crime numbers are the lowest in five years. Both the chief and brigade leaders said those efforts and connecting with residents are key.

“We can’t police people unless they are willing to be policed by us, and I think a lot of that is us holding officers accountable but also us reaching out and being a community member with them and we discussed that,” Jacobson said.

New Haven has 16 new officers to increase walking beat patrols to help with public safety.
 
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