Correct, but he teaches courses for cops on dynamic entry, safety and shooter response tactics for free.Who Mike Glover is? He’s a former SF/Delta guy. Not a cop though.
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Correct, but he teaches courses for cops on dynamic entry, safety and shooter response tactics for free.Who Mike Glover is? He’s a former SF/Delta guy. Not a cop though.
They are going to have a hard time making that narrative stick when there was a teacher and a kid calling from inside the classroom.Personally, I believe nobody at this point. But, according to Mike, the lie was in the omission of that vital information. Something like: "There is a lone shooter barricaded in these adjoining rooms." and leaving off "Oh, and BTW, we think he murdered dozens of children when he went in, so there are probably dozens of dead and dying children in there right now."
Meh. Evan Hafer and Mark Milley are SF guys, too. I've known too many Green Berets to be all that impressed by them, absent other qualfications.
This guy could be right on the money, but not because he's a "former SF guy."
Let's say they didn't know within minutes of entering the school that there were still kids in the classrooms
Let's say they didn't know within minutes of entering the school that there were still kids in the classrooms...
...police responding to school shootings they often fail to act...
The issue you are commenting on was specifically and exclusively about why BORTAC, some guys who arrived on scene some 10’s of minutes after it started, waited some 10’s of minutes before going in. We’ve already established that the local cops in charge knew. The story is that BORTAC were not given the information that children and teachers were lying there in the golden hour. Like you, I have my doubts about the story. I was expecting to hear, may still hear, that the chief didn’t give them the green light.They are going to have a hard time making that narrative stick when there was a teacher and a kid calling from inside the classroom.
ah-huh.They usually go charging in
ah-huh.
there is hardly such a thing as 'most shootings'. i guess some just get luckier than others....did you read the rest of my post?
I'm not talking about what the cops did in Uvalde. I'm talking about what they do in most school shootings.
1:11:26 ubtil they killed the scumbag.Worth the watch, but very disturbing. The description of the additional one shot, four shots, and 911 call from a child amongst the carnage a LONG time after the start of the incident is sickening. Training or not, I don't know how these guys stood around so long doing nothing. The first group of guys is in the building 3 minutes after the shooter and aside from #1 guy making a couple
of attempts with his pistol, the actual neutralizing of the suspect doesn't happen for one hour and 14 minutes, even as additional shots ring out occasionally and everyone who got shot is bleeding out?
I suspect there will be some suicides down the road...
My point is, it's conjecture at this point. Let me hear the unedited video, and I'll pile on.Emphasis mine.
When the videos are edited and annotated as such, there is zero question as to whether they knew kids were alive and being systematically slaughtered.
No words to describe the cowardice involved here. These "men" should do the right thing and suck start a shotgun out in an open field.
My point is, it's conjecture at this point. Let me hear the unedited video, and I'll pile on.
The edited video says it was edited to remove the screams of children. You honestly think that the fully unedited will make its way to the general public?
I'm saying, I could see both sides of it. You think someone working for a news crew wouldn't 'exaggerate' a little to get clicks?The edited video says it was edited to remove the screams of children. You honestly think that the fully unedited will make its way to the general public?
It's not even my old org, at least a couple of them did the right thing. It's more how the hell could ANYONE sit and listen to kids dying and NOT do anything to stop it? Screw my agency, I'm disgusted in men/people in general if that's the case.Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing, isn't it?
When screams need to be edited out, it means two things:
1. There were screams.
2. They could be heard.
If the camera at the head of the hall could pick them up from the classrooms at the end of the hall, it stands to reason that everyone IN the hall could hear them. That's in addition to the undisputed evidence that some of the cops were very vocal in their objections to staying out of the room, even pointing out to their superiors that they knew wounded kids were in there.
I understand @weekendracer and his need to believe the organization to which he devoted so many years of service did NOT make an egregious and shameful mistake. I felt the same way when I read about a trooper from my old unit not acquitting himself well in Afghanistan, bringing shame on the regiment. So I get it.
But the conclusion is inescapable: the "men" in that hallway, from all the LE organizations involved, knew what was happening and chose not to go into danger for children. Admitting that is the first step to fixing it.
I'm saying, I could see both sides of it. You think someone working for a news crew wouldn't 'exaggerate' a little to get clicks?
I've said it before, "I" was the story a couple of times in my career. While the story read like a James Bond/Bourne flick episode, it's not what really went down.
It's not even my old org, at least a couple of them did the right thing. It's more how the hell could ANYONE sit and listen to kids dying and NOT do anything to stop it? Screw my agency, I'm disgusted in men/people in general if that's the case.
I'm disgusted in men/people in general if that's the case.
I'm not disagreeing at all. I'm right there. I'm trying to figure out just how deep the failure was. I have pretty significant insight on how things 'should' have gone. I've said it multiple times, nothing, and I mean nothing about this makes any sense. When things don't make sense, 'something' else is going on. I can't wrap my brain around the 'something' here.I am too. But based on what I know of school shooter responses (annual training on it for a couple decades, and the training has evolved as the protocols have changed), there's not enough lipstick in the world to put on this pig. No caveats, no "let's wait and get the full story;" the full story can't be anything but repugnant. Can't.
Hand sanitizer.Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing, isn't it?
When screams need to be edited out, it means two things:
1. There were screams.
2. They could be heard.
If the camera at the head of the hall could pick them up from the classrooms at the end of the hall, it stands to reason that everyone IN the hall could hear them. That's in addition to the undisputed evidence that some of the cops were very vocal in their objections to staying out of the room, even pointing out to their superiors that they knew wounded kids were in there.
I understand @weekendracer and his need to believe the organization to which he devoted so many years of service did NOT make an egregious and shameful mistake. I felt the same way when I read about a trooper from my old unit not acquitting himself well in Afghanistan, bringing shame on the regiment. So I get it.
But the conclusion is inescapable: the "men" in that hallway, from all the LE organizations involved, knew what was happening and chose not to go into danger for children. Admitting that is the first step to fixing it.
I agree. The world needs to know.The soundtrack of the screams and cries of those helpless, dying terrorized children should be played on loud speakers at the execution of those cops. And it should the aired on prime time.
When was the last scream heard? If you can't answer that question, explain why your logic still applies to an organization that did not arrive for 30 minutes.But the conclusion is inescapable: the "men" in that hallway, from all the LE organizations involved, knew what was happening and chose not to go into danger for children. Admitting that is the first step to fixing it.
When was the last scream heard? If you can't answer that question, explain why your logic still applies to an organization that did not arrive for 30 minutes.
That's a complete non-answer. When was the last scream prior to the breach heard?"Hey. We're here. What's up?"
"Guy with a gun in a classroom."
There's only one response to that, according to EVERY LE playbook since Columbine. Only one. You go in and get the shooter.
I don't know and I don't care.That's a complete non-answer. When was the last scream prior to the breach heard?
You can’t be fking seriousThat's a complete non-answer. When was the last scream prior to the breach heard?
I don't know and I don't care.
Do you absolve any of those cops for NOT going in after the shooter? I certainly do not.
But the conclusion is inescapable: the "men" in that hallway, from all the LE organizations involved, knew what was happening and chose not to go into danger for children. Admitting that is the first step to fixing it.