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2006 Scarborough, ME High Power schedule

Discussion in 'Rifle Competition' started by cdkayak, Jan 23, 2006.

  1. cdkayak

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    May 20th, 2006 – Mauser Match **** Rescheduled from May 14th due to weather.
    A 200 and 300 yd. National Match Course of fire (58 rds.)
    Limited to bolt action Mauser or WW1 type rifles (Enfield, Sprngfld, etc.)

    May 21st, 2006 – Beginners match
    A 100 yd. National match course (58 Rds.)
    Service Rifles or Match Rifles

    June 4th, 2006 – D Day Match
    A 200/300 yd. Survival on the beach Course of fire (90 Rds.)
    Any iron sighted rifle used on the beaches of Normandy June 6, 1944

    June 25th, 2006 – Hi-Power Match
    A 200/300 yd. National Match Course of fire (58 Rds.)
    Service or Match Rifles

    July 30th, 2006 - Hi-Power Match
    A 200/300 yd. National Match Course of fire (58 Rds.)
    Service or Match Rifles

    August 27th, 2006 – Operation Starlight Commemorative Match
    A 90 round match using any rifle that was used in the Vietnam War, shot at 100, 200 and 300 yards.

    September 17th, 2006
    Springfield Match – 100,200/300 yd. survive the Argonne – 75 rounds
    Springfield 1903 (03A3, Mauser, Enfield, WW1 Type bolt rifles, etc.)
    Iron sights only

    October 8th, 2006
    Prone Match – 200/300 yd. (64 Rds.)
    Any Rifle – Any Sights
    F-Class event added to regular match as a trial for this year

    October 22rd, 2006
    Arthur Kierstead Memorial Match - 100,200,300 yards (75 Rds.)
    Any Rifle, any sight, all offhand

    December 16th, 2006
    BOTB Match – 75 Rounds / winter survival at Bastogne

    ETA: All matches start at 08:30 AM. Relay space is on a first come first served basis.
     
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    Mauser Match has been rescheduled to Saturday May 20th, 2006 from May 14th due to weather.
    A 200 and 300 yd. National Match Course of fire (58 rds.)
    Limited to bolt action Mauser or WW1 type rifles (Enfield, Sprngfld, etc.)
     
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    Hey CD! Long time no see... would you be able to answer some newbie rifle questions for me?
     
  4. cdkayak

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    Good to hear from you, hope everything has been going well since the move. Enjoying Maine?

    I'd be happy to try and answer any questions. If I can answer them I will, if not I'm sure we can find someone here who can.

    CD
     
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    I sure am..! Summer was particularly nice, that whole week back in late July :p

    I'm trying to get some kind of idea for what's eligible for high-power rifle. My father-in-law has a bunch of long guns, so I'd like to know if I could use any of them: he has a Winchester 94 in .30-30, I think a Winchester 70 in .308 and a couple of others. Would I be able to use either of those two?
     
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    The '94 is out, although you could shoot that in some of the any rifle any sight matches at Scarborough. Like the one coming up on the 22nd.

    The Model 70 could be used in high power as long as it has iron sights. It would fall into the Match rifle category though so you'd be up against some space guns. It would also need to have a magazine capacity of 5 rounds & be capable of a rapid reload. External mag or stripper clip if internal mag.

    If it's scoped it could be used in F-Class matches. Scarborough is holding the any rifle any sight prone match on the 8th and there is also a 600 yard match at Hampden the same day. I'm planning on being in Hampden.[grin] The Hampden match is basically a 60 round slow fire match all fired at 600 yards in 20 round/20 minute strings.

    Tony had a good write-up of Service Rifle info on here & I can't find it at the moment. If I can track it down I'll add a link.

    There is another option if your Father inlaw doesn't have any that will work out. There are usually club or personal rifles that can be borrowed. Tim over at Scarborough is always happy to bring extras if people need them. I also have a couple of rifles, an M1 and AR, that will qualify for Service Rifle that I can bring along if we can both make the same match. Both are very stock but they would be fine for getting to your feet wet.

    If you're interested on heading over to Scarborough or Falmouth to try the rifles out and see what the basics of high power are let me know & we can work out a time.

    Hope this helped a little. There are some excellant high power shooters on the board here so don't hesitate to start some threads with questions.

    CD
     
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    Nuts! I actually like the 94 over the 70... :( I take it its because it's lever-action not bolt?

    The 70 is currently scoped, in anticipation for Deer season. I'm not sure if it ever had iron sights... if it didn't, are they easy to adapt on? I think we have some 5-round clips for it, but no idea on the reload capability. Can you go into a bit more detail for me? Please :)

    If you could, that would be grand! I'll take a look for myself, too.

    Thanks again CD. I would love to be able to borrow a rifle, but as I am a mostly-poor mostly-college student I would probably need something more permanent if it turns out that high power is my thing. I did try some shotgunning down at Scarborough, it was good fun but I didn't "love" it. I think I much prefer rifles.

    I'm heading down to D.C. this weekend, but for the rest of the year I should be free on weekends. Let me know when you're going down to Scarborough or Falmouth next, I'd love to buy you a beer some shooting!
     
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    You could still shoot the '94 on the 22nd. You'll just have to make sure you've got your 300 yard zero. A .30-.30 is going to have a bit of a drop at that range.

    The 70 should be all set for F-Class as it is. There is no rapid fire in that and scopes are allowed. Just need to get your the zeros for whatever range your shooting at.

    Why you need to be able reload quickly. There are two rapid fire stings in high power, rapid sitting at 200 yards and rapid prone at 300 yards. In both you get sighters and prep time. After prep you stand & follow the range commands. Load (2 rounds for service rifle or 5 rounds for match rifle), when the time starts (targets come up or whistle blows) move back into sitting or prone, fire 2 or 5 rounds, reload and fire another 8 or 5 for a total of 10 rounds. Sitting gets 60 seconds and prone gets 70 seconds.

    During slow fire you only load one round at a time.

    If your father in law has an M1 Garand in his collection somewhere, that makes a great high power service rifle to start with.[grin]

    The next opp. I'll have to get to the range is probably the weekend of the 21st. As that gets closer I'll let you know how things look.

    CD


    ETA: a couple links from Arfcom.

    What is a Service Rifle?

    Shoot CMP
     
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    I am actually taking my hunters safety course on that weekend... so I won't be able to make it :(

    OK.

    Okay, so it's the physical act of reloading rapidly that's important? Where you obviously want to be able to do it quickly without throwing yourself off-target...

    Sadly, he doesn't have a Garand... if he did I'd be at the range already ;)

    Thanks for both of the links, I'll check them out. Unfortunately, I'm not a U.S. citizen yet, so I can't compete in CMP events I don't think. Oh well! I won't be able to make either the 8th or the 21st either, so I guess this year might be a wash for me :(
     
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    Most of the high power matches are actually NRA affiliated and they handle the classification. I don't think there are any citizenship requirements for NRA membership.

    I'll let you know when I'm heading to the range next.

    CD
     
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    As much as I disagree with some of their politicking, I have been meaning to join the NRA for a little while now. I think you're right though, I don't believe they have citizenship requirements. Out of interest, do you hunt at all?
     
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    Never got into hunting. Just target & defensive.
     
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    Thanks again CD. Any idea how difficult it's going to be to get the scope of the old man's .308 and put some iron sights on it?
     
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    US citizenship is not a requirement to compete in CMP rifle and pistol matches.
     
  15. Jose

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    It is because of their politicking that we are not in the same boat as the UK, Australia, South Africa, Brazil, and most other countries in the world (with the notable exception of Switzerland).
     
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    You will need a gunsmith.
     
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    I think this matter boils down to subjective opinion. I am actually Australian and do not agree with their gun laws, but that doesn't mean I necessarily have to agree with the way that the NRA conducts itself, either.

    I would consider joining the NRA, so you should be able to get an idea that my level of disagreement is fairly low -- I'd join them before I joined, oh, the Republican party ;)
     
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    Okay, thanks :(
     
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    That depends on whether it originally had irons to start with or not. If if did then you may be able to use the original dovetail cuts and mounting points. If not, you will probably need a gunsmith to do it.

    Don't do anything to that rifle until you have a chance to shoot a few others. Converting that to irons that will be competitive in high power will probably get pricey. You may be better off keeping that as is and trying to pick something else up for high power. Use a couple of loaners first and see what you think.

    Can you make it to the range on any weekdays? I may be able to get out of here a few hours early or come in late one day if that works for you.

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    That was what I was hoping, that it would be relatively simple (if it ever had irons) to just retro-fit them... but if it's complicated then I would have think whether or not it's worthwhile at all. I would like to be able to use something I already have access to to get a feel for the sport, and then I could decide what to buy...

    What days are most convenient for you? I normally finish at 5pm, but have class straight after on Mondays and Tuesdays.
     
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    I'll touch base with you next week. We run out of dayligh pretty quick now so we'll see what works best.
     
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    That would be great. Thanks CD! And yep, the sun is disappearing, as are my days left to ride my motorcycle...
     
  23. Jose

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    The fact that we Americans have had our inherent rights to own weapons far less compromised than your countrymen and just about every one else is not a "subjective" opinion. It is a fact beyond argument.

    The NRA conducts itself the way anyone should conduct himself when facing an implacable foe who knows no compromise and gives no quarter. I heartily approve of their conduct. The fact that my first statement is true is prima facie evidence of the appropriateness of the NRA's conduct.

    When it comes to American political parties, your ignorance is showing if you would consider joining the NRA before voting Republican. Perhaps you should get the opinion of shooters and gun owners living under the Democrat yoke to see if your opinion squares with reality. BTW, Australian social policy and attitude plays fairly poorly in the US outside of a few liberal urban centers.
     
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    Should we split this off from the thread?

    I am not disputing that Americans have inherent rights as opposed to Australians -- like you say, it is fact. The NRA, however, is not an inherent right, it is a group lobbying to protect what that right. However, just because they lobby for it doesn't mean I always have to like it -- which is exactly my point. I appreciate what they do but perhaps not always the way that they do it. Again, if I were strongly enough opposed to the way that they do business, I wouldn't consider joining them (and, instead, I am considering joining them).

    I am a fairly pedantic person, so I would say that your first statement being true reflects the effectiveness of their conduct -- its appropriateness is mutually exclusive. There are many ways to skin a cat, not all of them are pleasant! And not all of them should be condoned.

    Perhaps you missed my ";)" smiley face after that statement, it was intended to be sarcastic (which is often difficult via text!).

    The NRA protects a right that I believe is worth protecting (i.e. the 2nd amendment). The Republican party also advocates protecting that right, however the "baggage" that comes along with it -- i.e. other socially conservative measures -- as well as their fiscal conduct of late mean that I would have trouble voting for the current administration (or the administration that will race to succeed them).

    A friend of mine, who's smarter than me, came up with the term "pro-gun progressive" to describe Democrats who happen to not be gun-grabbers; I think it's a pretty appropriate description of the beliefs that I hold. Not every Democrat is a gun-hating liberal in the same way that not every Republican is a bible-thumping conservative.

    As for Australian politics, I haven't really met anyone (in person, at least) that knows too much about it to give their opinion of the system; positive or negative. To say that U.S. foreign policy is poorly-received in Australia would be an understatement, but for the purposes of this argument that's neither here nor there!
     
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    The origins of the social ills of the United States can be directly traced to the "progressive" social policies of the Democratic administration of Lyndon B. Johnson. Progressives always have the same song and dance: "we haven't gone far left enough", "we haven't taken enough money from the productive class and given it to the non-productive class", and my favorite "we care". The ultimate definition of stupidity is doing the same and expecting a different result. "Progressives" fit that definition to a tee.
    Pro-gun Democrats do exist, but they are marginalized in the power structure by the ultra-left, socialist party leadership. Those who will call the tune are virulently anti-gun such as Chuck Schummer and Diane Feinstein. That makes pro-gun Democrats viable candidates ONLY at the local and state level, provided their views on social policy are not those of moonbats.
     
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    Would I be able to participate in the NON any-rifle, any-sight matches and just not be eligible for points? I would really like to work on my marksmanship, and the only long gun I have regular access to is the Model 94.

    I actually got the model of the other one wrong, it's a 742 Woodsmaster and not a Model 70 as I first thought. Oopsy...
     
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    We can get you in there.

    I have an A2 that's service rifle legal, although not match grade, that you could use. We should also be able to track down a Garand if you'd prefer to shoot that.
     
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    I'll get the new schedule posted in a couple of days.
     
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    Thanks cd, any info you could provide me would be great. But this time, you have to let me buy you ammo! [grin]
     

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