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You Could Say I Am a Sniper Now ...

Tallahassee said:
Well anyways, @Broc if you need small rifle magnum, or large rifle magnum, let me know. I'll see what I have. FWIW I prefer the small primer, peterson brass.
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LR magnums not needed, the regular #200 is what works well there. for SRPs - yes, a magnum #450.
there are several articles on this topic, on large vs small, on my loads frankly i never saw a practical difference in group sizes as long as brass is prepped same way.
 
Woodsloafer said:
Dude, you just do not get what I am saying, I am not mad at Hornady (or anyone), they did an unbelievable job marketing this cartridge. I am just pointing out that the cartridge is no friggin different in terms of capabilities than the 260 Remington, I'll say it again so it sinks in, it is exactly the same ballistically as the 260 Remington. Go back and read the comments in this thread, it is said again and again how great the 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge and that it is better than anything previous. People are literally making fun of me saying the 260 Remington is old school and the Creedmoor is much better - the load data I provided demonstrates that they are exactly the same with the exception of the case configuration (capacities are almost precisely the same, they both fit in short actions with cartridge OALs of 2.80"). It just proves my point that the public, include shooters/gun owners, cannot think for themselves and just follow the latest fad and sometimes all that is needed is a new monicker and better advertising. The comparison to VHS does not even make sense, digital media is a gigantic leap ahead versus VHS - or are you actually trying to argue that the 260 Remington cartridge is as much inferior to the 6.5 Creedmoor as the VHS is to digital media????????????????????????? Or are you arguing that the companies that produced VHS tapes would have beat out digital media if they would have done a better job advertising and we would still be using VHS tapes today??????????????
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I will agree that in its day the 260 did not get the following it deserved. That said, it absolutely does not get props for 'going there first'. That recognition goes to the 6.5 Swede. If you want to keep making arguments for the 260, why not the 6.5 Swede? Also the 6.5x47 Lapua predated the 6.5 CM so why not talk about that?

The 6.5 improvements on the 260 are higher approved pressure, a 30 degree shoulder, a shorter case length, and a longer neck. All of these things are beneficial to precision shooting. If somehow a spherical case shape were practical, that would be the best shape in terms of burn efficiency. That's one reason the stubby 6mm BR and similarly designed cartridges kick ass (even vs. the slightly hotter 6 CM) for benchrest and other high accuracy applications. The 6.5 CM case is more 'stubby' than is the 260, which is more efficient and should promote lower SD & ES. The 30 degree shoulders are better for limiting case length growth and supposedly foster a more efficient burn. For sure the longer neck is better for seating and stabilizing very low drag longer and heavier projectiles.

Availability advantage aside, the 6.5 CM does have those slight technical advantages over the 260. Today it's the better choice. I do get how all the Creedmoor fapping is annoying as sh!t and I think I was the first person on the forum to call it 6.5 Manbun and otherwise make fun of all the fanfare.

@Broc - I know you must have tossed and turned all night and have bruises from your wife elbowing you as you fretted over your caliber choice. Rest easy tonight- you made the right choice. [laugh]
 
Mountain said:
I will agree that in its day the 260 did not get the following it deserved. That said, it absolutely does not get props for 'going there first'. That recognition goes to the 6.5 Swede. If you want to keep making arguments for the 260, why not the 6.5 Swede? Also the 6.5x47 Lapua predated the 6.5 CM so why not talk about that?

The 6.5 improvements on the 260 are higher approved pressure, a 30 degree shoulder, a shorter case length, and a longer neck. All of these things are beneficial to precision shooting. If somehow a spherical case shape were practical, that would be the best shape in terms of burn efficiency. That's one reason the stubby 6mm BR and similarly designed cartridges kick ass (even vs. the slightly hotter 6 CM) for benchrest and other high accuracy applications. The 6.5 CM case is more 'stubby' than is the 260, which is more efficient and should promote lower SD & ES. The 30 degree shoulders are better for limiting case length growth and supposedly foster a more efficient burn. For sure the longer neck is better for seating and stabilizing very low drag longer and heavier projectiles.

Availability advantage aside, the 6.5 CM does have those slight technical advantages over the 260. Today it's the better choice. I do get how all the Creedmoor fapping is annoying as sh!t and I think I was the first person on the forum to call it 6.5 Manbun and otherwise make fun of all the fanfare.

@Broc - I know you must have tossed and turned all night and have bruises from your wife elbowing you as you fretted over your caliber choice. Rest easy tonight- you made the right choice. [laugh]
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Good info.
 
Mountain said:
I will agree that in its day the 260 did not get the following it deserved. That said, it absolutely does not get props for 'going there first'. That recognition goes to the 6.5 Swede. If you want to keep making arguments for the 260, why not the 6.5 Swede? Also the 6.5x47 Lapua predated the 6.5 CM so why not talk about that?

The 6.5 improvements on the 260 are higher approved pressure, a 30 degree shoulder, a shorter case length, and a longer neck. All of these things are beneficial to precision shooting. If somehow a spherical case shape were practical, that would be the best shape in terms of burn efficiency. That's one reason the stubby 6mm BR and similarly designed cartridges kick ass (even vs. the slightly hotter 6 CM) for benchrest and other high accuracy applications. The 6.5 CM case is more 'stubby' than is the 260, which is more efficient and should promote lower SD & ES. The 30 degree shoulders are better for limiting case length growth and supposedly foster a more efficient burn. For sure the longer neck is better for seating and stabilizing very low drag longer and heavier projectiles.

Availability advantage aside, the 6.5 CM does have those slight technical advantages over the 260. Today it's the better choice. I do get how all the Creedmoor fapping is annoying as sh!t and I think I was the first person on the forum to call it 6.5 Manbun and otherwise make fun of all the fanfare.

@Broc - I know you must have tossed and turned all night and have bruises from your wife elbowing you as you fretted over your caliber choice. Rest easy tonight- you made the right choice. [laugh]
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it really makes me wonder why black powder folks did not throw in their bunch of flyin dicks into this whole topic as it is totally obvious that all cartridges are gay and normal people should just muzzle load as it was always done.
:)
 
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Mountain said:
I will agree that in its day the 260 did not get the following it deserved. That said, it absolutely does not get props for 'going there first'. That recognition goes to the 6.5 Swede. If you want to keep making arguments for the 260, why not the 6.5 Swede? Also the 6.5x47 Lapua predated the 6.5 CM so why not talk about that?

The 6.5 improvements on the 260 are higher approved pressure, a 30 degree shoulder, a shorter case length, and a longer neck. All of these things are beneficial to precision shooting. If somehow a spherical case shape were practical, that would be the best shape in terms of burn efficiency. That's one reason the stubby 6mm BR and similarly designed cartridges kick ass (even vs. the slightly hotter 6 CM) for benchrest and other high accuracy applications. The 6.5 CM case is more 'stubby' than is the 260, which is more efficient and should promote lower SD & ES. The 30 degree shoulders are better for limiting case length growth and supposedly foster a more efficient burn. For sure the longer neck is better for seating and stabilizing very low drag longer and heavier projectiles.

Availability advantage aside, the 6.5 CM does have those slight technical advantages over the 260. Today it's the better choice. I do get how all the Creedmoor fapping is annoying as sh!t and I think I was the first person on the forum to call it 6.5 Manbun and otherwise make fun of all the fanfare.

@Broc - I know you must have tossed and turned all night and have bruises from your wife elbowing you as you fretted over your caliber choice. Rest easy tonight- you made the right choice. [laugh]
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You make great points.

So, should I build a 6.5CM M1? Maybe Swede instead? Think our Italian guru will help?
 
puška m70 said:
Precision rifle is dumb and isn't used in 99% of wars. Basically just for hippies online to compare their "loadz brah" "Bruh check out this .5 MOA group i got with my gun in a literal vise or some other completely impractical shooting scenario that wouldn't ever happen in a real situation" Meanwhile AK is used in every conflict as a solid 3-5 MOA gun and did so much more than my WhizBang Precision Rifle Sniper with Uber 1-123.4343X LVPOABCDEFG....
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AK is garbage compared to 500lb bombs. These suckers did orders of magnitude more damage than some shitty AKs.

Poin is.. well.. your point is completely bonkers. Precision rifles are used for a particular job, which AK's are incapable of performing.
 
Sammy said:
AK is garbage compared to 500lb bombs. These suckers did orders of magnitude more damage than some shitty AKs.

Poin is.. well.. your point is completely bonkers. Precision rifles are used for a particular job, which AK's are incapable of performing.
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wow. Eye opening. Thanks for that
 
**DRB** said:
The world is literally full of iterations of concepts others failed to execute to potential. Sometimes is marketing, sometimes it’s market penetration, price point, distribution… any number of things.

Zero people give a shit about .260 because it was a commercial flop, not because it was not of sound engineering. How well you designed a thing is of no relevance if you cannot get your target market to adopt your product.

Stop being mad at companies for producing a quality product that people want and delivering via gun manufacturers that produce firearms that people want to buy.

Hornady didn't “fool” anyone, Remington failed.

Such a weird argument, like clinging to VHS 30 years later because “Betamax” was first even though the company is out of business and you can no longer even find the product readily available (the oldest reference I thought I could find seeing as how a MySpace / Facebook / SnapChat argument seemed like it would miss the mark)
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Tldr.. can you condense this into maybe 1 paragraph or less?
 
puška m70 said:
I don't care about maths this is WARS. The 65 creed more is a commercial market niche caliber that is for "Reload Broz" to shoot a bright stationary target at 800 yards then they talk about on the web.

556 is in the real world winning battles with our brave men of the US Army in Vietnam
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You are wrong, especially when you claim you like to debate "HISTORY".
  • 30-06 was the ONLY cartridge developed specifically for the US military. Every other cartridge was first introduced to civilian market and later adopted by the military.
  • 556 WAS a civilian cartridge long before it was adopted by the military. The military adopted it because it was lighter and had less recoil in full auto. Of course, the military found full auto to be complete useless in a rifle. This is why every unit carry SAWs.
  • 556 failed to replace 308 in the military. 308 is still used as sniper round for short-mid distances. To try to compare 6.5CM to a 556 is ridiculous since 556, or the 554 Russian, are incapable of precision fire or the energy to engage military targets at 300yd.
  • The only reason 308 still in use in the military is because they have boatload of it and the military would rather spend money on new technology in armor vehicles then try to come up with new ammo. the only reason 308 was created was to create a reliable feed full-auto cartridge but some pencil-pusher thought it might be a great idea to use it as a sniper cartridge. The military bought a bunch of civilian hunting rifles from Remington, painted them OD green and called them M24.
Point is, in pretty much everything, since the inception of this nation, the US military has always lagged behind the civilian world in terms of ammo development. Even during American war of Independence, civilians had better weapons than the British infantry.
 
Mountain said:
I will agree that in its day the 260 did not get the following it deserved. That said, it absolutely does not get props for 'going there first'. That recognition goes to the 6.5 Swede. If you want to keep making arguments for the 260, why not the 6.5 Swede? Also the 6.5x47 Lapua predated the 6.5 CM so why not talk about that?

The 6.5 improvements on the 260 are higher approved pressure, a 30 degree shoulder, a shorter case length, and a longer neck. All of these things are beneficial to precision shooting. If somehow a spherical case shape were practical, that would be the best shape in terms of burn efficiency. That's one reason the stubby 6mm BR and similarly designed cartridges kick ass (even vs. the slightly hotter 6 CM) for benchrest and other high accuracy applications. The 6.5 CM case is more 'stubby' than is the 260, which is more efficient and should promote lower SD & ES. The 30 degree shoulders are better for limiting case length growth and supposedly foster a more efficient burn. For sure the longer neck is better for seating and stabilizing very low drag longer and heavier projectiles.

Availability advantage aside, the 6.5 CM does have those slight technical advantages over the 260. Today it's the better choice. I do get how all the Creedmoor fapping is annoying as sh!t and I think I was the first person on the forum to call it 6.5 Manbun and otherwise make fun of all the fanfare.

@Broc - I know you must have tossed and turned all night and have bruises from your wife elbowing you as you fretted over your caliber choice. Rest easy tonight- you made the right choice. [laugh]
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Good information. However, if you look back on my postings in this thread I talked about the 6.5X55 several times, including posting it's history and military use. The 6.5X55 needs a long action so I felt that a direct comparison was not appropriate, but the 6.5X55 is a great, classic cartridge, that is fully the ballistic equal of the 260 and 6.5.
 
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Sammy said:
You are wrong, especially when you claim you like to debate "HISTORY".
  • 30-06 was the ONLY cartridge developed specifically for the US military. Every other cartridge was first introduced to civilian market and later adopted by the military.
  • 556 WAS a civilian cartridge long before it was adopted by the military. The military adopted it because it was lighter and had less recoil in full auto. Of course, the military found full auto to be complete useless in a rifle. This is why every unit carry SAWs.
  • 556 failed to replace 308 in the military. 308 is still used as sniper round for short-mid distances. To try to compare 6.5CM to a 556 is ridiculous since 556, or the 554 Russian, are incapable of precision fire or the energy to engage military targets at 300yd.
  • The only reason 308 still in use in the military is because they have boatload of it and the military would rather spend money on new technology in armor vehicles then try to come up with new ammo. the only reason 308 was created was to create a reliable feed full-auto cartridge but some pencil-pusher thought it might be a great idea to use it as a sniper cartridge. The military bought a bunch of civilian hunting rifles from Remington, painted them OD green and called them M24.
Point is, in pretty much everything, since the inception of this nation, the US military has always lagged behind the civilian world in terms of ammo development. Even during American war of Independence, civilians had better weapons than the British infantry.
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Dude I'm just trolling 😆😆thanks for the detailed explanation though
 
paul73 said:
it really makes me wonder why black powder folks did not throw in their bunch of flyin dicks into this whole topic as it is totally obvious that all cartridges are gay and normal people should just muzzle load as it was always done.
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'cause anyone shooting a musket is doing it because they are federally prohibited to own normal weapons. These folks are a shifty bunch. Ever watch the musket salute squad at the Pats games? They are always escorted by policemen. I bet they are inmates from the Walpole facility next door.

[pot]
 
**DRB** said:
Have your mom read it for you, I'm sure she is upstairs making you mac n cheese for lunch. Keep working that routine though, still lame.
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A lot of anger in your post history. Hopefully this is therapeutic for you and a place where you let your many frustrations out❤️❤️❤️💌 but it's no replacement for legitimate mental health professionals

Just a reminder that this is a troll/joke thread, don't take the internet so seriously
 
puška m70 said:
A lot of anger in your post history. Hopefully this is therapeutic for you and a place where you let your many frustrations out❤️❤️❤️💌 but it's no replacement for legitimate mental health professionals

Just a reminder that this is a troll/joke thread, don't take the internet so seriously
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Zero anger here actually.

BTW - your first response, the one deleted where you said your mom being upstairs making you mac n cheese "hit too close to home" was the first funny thing you've actually said.
 
**DRB** said:
Zero anger here actually.

BTW - your first response, the one deleted where you said your mom being upstairs making you mac n cheese "hit too close to home" was the first funny thing you've actually said.
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I was gonna say it hit too close to home but I just wanted to make sure I was clear with this post.


Much love DRB
 

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