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I had a ND at my home
This is a ND posting on something that happened a few nights ago. If you are here to bash me or anybody, don't. I'm posting this post for a simple reminder as to what happens when rules are violated and safe gun practices are violated
(This is a long story so get you coffee and take your bathroom break now!)
I invited two friends up to check out a model 65 smith and wesson revolver that I did some work on. Let's call them Tom & Jerry. I brought out my pistol rug pouch and took out a loaded smith model 65 and unload this gun before passing it around to Tom. I also had 2 other revolvers in that pouch that where also loaded ( remember this it will come up later ).
After tom had inspected it he pass it to Jerry. I then went to my back room to get yet another gun and on my way back ( get ready don't change the channel yet ) I enter my kitchen and hear a BOOM! and a blast was felt on my face and body.
Immediately I stop along with Tom & Jerry, At 1st it took me 2-3 secs to realize a GUN went off and even then I was in denial. At first I thought maybe the model 65 that I justed cleared a minute ago, I might have left one round in the cylinder. But soon I would find out that wasn't the case.
Tom had passed the gun to Jerry and then picked up a loaded sw66 snubbie and cock the hammer and pull the trigger. In so doing so, he missed jerry by inches. I mean that, INCHES!
Jerry was standing within two feet of the barrel, almost in a direct line of fire and if he was a mere 6-8" over to his right, I would be posting a story of a friend shot another friend in my kitchen and not this. I was to the right of this gun coming around the corner maybe 5-7ft away. If that barrel was pointed the other way, I wouldn't be writting this story, but would have been dead or seriously injured or you would be reading this in a newspaper with headlines of "Friend shoots Friend with gun thought to be unloaded "
After everybody stopping freaking out I removed the gun from Tom's hands and placeded it down after unloading it. Tom & Jerry both had eyes at this time the size of saucers. I bet my eyes where also that big also.
We immediately inspected the entrance wound in the wall and saw a garlic clove in my veggie basket KIA and the wire in the basket was bent backwards. The exit wound to the laundry wall showed a simple damage wall where a 158gr JSP/357mag from independence-ammo had exit. In reality the damage was not that bad.
After the smoke had finally cleared, I kicked everybody out and sent them home.
I was pissed and pissed not only at my friend ( tom ) but also myself for allowing this to happen in the 1st place. As a responsible gun owner I should have unloaded all of the gun knowing that sooner or later 4 revolvers would be touched and passed around. I'm pissed at Tom who btw is currently a Wackenhut security guard and a former Army/Military Police ofc and a former sherifff deputy ( he lost his job at the sheriff ofc about 3 years earlier for not following dept policy ...) so I'm not suprise here on this ND and he out of all people should have known better.
Three rules imho was broken that evening by my friend and I'm with out blame also;
1> treat every gun as if it's loaded (period)
2> maintain barrel control all of the time ( direction )
3> don't pull the trigger on a gun until rule #1 & #2 is meet and it's safe
and
4> which I'm to blame on, if you following NRA and gun mfg suggestions, to never load a gun untill ready to fire.
So if I didn't bring these guns loaded out to the kitchen counter, alot of this could have been avoided.
I will post some pictures of the recovered bullet and the damage. I had todo some Miami CSI detective work to figure out where the bullet exit out due to the fact the hole on the outer wall didn't immediately show where the bullet went. I was 100% sure it didn't leave the outer walls of my home but I had a hard time finding the projectile.
The bullet left the laundry wall with just enough energy to fall in a clothes basket that was directly below. So after exhausting 20mins searching in/out of the laundry room, I flipped my clothes out and found the majority of the bullet in the bottom. The jacket-lead expand/peeled back to the crimp ring and most of the jacket on one side was riped off down to the base. A few fragments where found on the kitchen side of the wall and within the hole between the 2 walls. I was only able to recover a few pcs but most had fallen within the wall cavity.
What I learned that might crush some of the myths pertaining to sound,flash,over penetration in a HD shooting;
1> I was not deafen thru out this whole time the sound was a heavy boom but it wasn't uncomfortable or ring ears
2> the 158gr JSP 357magnum did not penetrated out of the exterior room with enough energy to get to the outer wall and kill a bystander.
3> the flash wasn't blinding
I had a ND at my home
This is a ND posting on something that happened a few nights ago. If you are here to bash me or anybody, don't. I'm posting this post for a simple reminder as to what happens when rules are violated and safe gun practices are violated
(This is a long story so get you coffee and take your bathroom break now!)
I invited two friends up to check out a model 65 smith and wesson revolver that I did some work on. Let's call them Tom & Jerry. I brought out my pistol rug pouch and took out a loaded smith model 65 and unload this gun before passing it around to Tom. I also had 2 other revolvers in that pouch that where also loaded ( remember this it will come up later ).
After tom had inspected it he pass it to Jerry. I then went to my back room to get yet another gun and on my way back ( get ready don't change the channel yet ) I enter my kitchen and hear a BOOM! and a blast was felt on my face and body.
Immediately I stop along with Tom & Jerry, At 1st it took me 2-3 secs to realize a GUN went off and even then I was in denial. At first I thought maybe the model 65 that I justed cleared a minute ago, I might have left one round in the cylinder. But soon I would find out that wasn't the case.
Tom had passed the gun to Jerry and then picked up a loaded sw66 snubbie and cock the hammer and pull the trigger. In so doing so, he missed jerry by inches. I mean that, INCHES!
Jerry was standing within two feet of the barrel, almost in a direct line of fire and if he was a mere 6-8" over to his right, I would be posting a story of a friend shot another friend in my kitchen and not this. I was to the right of this gun coming around the corner maybe 5-7ft away. If that barrel was pointed the other way, I wouldn't be writting this story, but would have been dead or seriously injured or you would be reading this in a newspaper with headlines of "Friend shoots Friend with gun thought to be unloaded "
After everybody stopping freaking out I removed the gun from Tom's hands and placeded it down after unloading it. Tom & Jerry both had eyes at this time the size of saucers. I bet my eyes where also that big also.
We immediately inspected the entrance wound in the wall and saw a garlic clove in my veggie basket KIA and the wire in the basket was bent backwards. The exit wound to the laundry wall showed a simple damage wall where a 158gr JSP/357mag from independence-ammo had exit. In reality the damage was not that bad.
After the smoke had finally cleared, I kicked everybody out and sent them home.
I was pissed and pissed not only at my friend ( tom ) but also myself for allowing this to happen in the 1st place. As a responsible gun owner I should have unloaded all of the gun knowing that sooner or later 4 revolvers would be touched and passed around. I'm pissed at Tom who btw is currently a Wackenhut security guard and a former Army/Military Police ofc and a former sherifff deputy ( he lost his job at the sheriff ofc about 3 years earlier for not following dept policy ...) so I'm not suprise here on this ND and he out of all people should have known better.
Three rules imho was broken that evening by my friend and I'm with out blame also;
1> treat every gun as if it's loaded (period)
2> maintain barrel control all of the time ( direction )
3> don't pull the trigger on a gun until rule #1 & #2 is meet and it's safe
and
4> which I'm to blame on, if you following NRA and gun mfg suggestions, to never load a gun untill ready to fire.
So if I didn't bring these guns loaded out to the kitchen counter, alot of this could have been avoided.
I will post some pictures of the recovered bullet and the damage. I had todo some Miami CSI detective work to figure out where the bullet exit out due to the fact the hole on the outer wall didn't immediately show where the bullet went. I was 100% sure it didn't leave the outer walls of my home but I had a hard time finding the projectile.
The bullet left the laundry wall with just enough energy to fall in a clothes basket that was directly below. So after exhausting 20mins searching in/out of the laundry room, I flipped my clothes out and found the majority of the bullet in the bottom. The jacket-lead expand/peeled back to the crimp ring and most of the jacket on one side was riped off down to the base. A few fragments where found on the kitchen side of the wall and within the hole between the 2 walls. I was only able to recover a few pcs but most had fallen within the wall cavity.
What I learned that might crush some of the myths pertaining to sound,flash,over penetration in a HD shooting;
1> I was not deafen thru out this whole time the sound was a heavy boom but it wasn't uncomfortable or ring ears
2> the 158gr JSP 357magnum did not penetrated out of the exterior room with enough energy to get to the outer wall and kill a bystander.
3> the flash wasn't blinding
