Wyoming Kicks ASS .......on the BATFE

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Now this is a state !!!
http://www.casperstartribune.net/ar.../wyoming/022f85e95b2953118725716a00047caf.txt

Kind of makes ya sick to your tummy dont it.............[rofl]



Wednesday, May 10, 2006

CASPER, Wyo. - Wyoming has sued the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, saying the federal agency illegally rejected a Wyoming law allowing people who have misdemeanor convictions for domestic violence to win back their right to own guns.

In the lawsuit, filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Wyoming, Wyoming Attorney General Pat Crank argues that ATF exceeded its authority by rejecting Wyoming's law simply because the federal agency didn't like it.

"However, such policy decisions are reserved for Wyoming's legislature," Crank wrote. "The BATF's actions are an illegal attempt to force BATF's will upon the Wyoming attorney general and Wyoming's duly elected legislature.

Crank says the ATF's actions are arbitrary and capricious. He says they violate the Tenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which reserves to the states those powers not specifically granted by the Constitution to the federal government.

John Powell, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney Matt Mead in Cheyenne, said Mead's office was still reviewing the lawsuit.

"We need to evaluate what the case is and what we're going to do with it," Powell said.

Federal law prohibits anyone convicted of "a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence" from possessing a firearm. In 1986, Congress amended that law to allow states to set rules for restoring gun rights to people who've been pardoned or whose convictions have been "expunged, or set aside."

In 2004, Wyoming's legislature unanimously passed a law meant to govern how such convictions could be "expunged": Individuals would have to wait one year after completing their sentence; they would not qualify if their misdemeanor conviction involved the use or attempted use of a firearm; and they could not have any other convictions that prohibit them from owning guns.

Furthermore, Wyoming's law stated that a record of the "expunged" conviction would be kept by the state Division of Criminal Investigation and could be used to enhance penalties for future convictions.

That, ATF said, was the problem. In August 2004, shortly after Wyoming's law was passed, ATF Special Agent Lester Martz wrote to Crank, saying the federal law applied only to convictions that were completely eliminated. Citing a 1991 opinion from the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver, Martz wrote: "The word 'expunge' generally means the physical destruction of information."

Those definitions come into play for gun dealers seeking to determine to whom they can sell firearms. Dealers are required to use National Instant Criminal Searches unless a buyer has a concealed weapon permit, which certifies that the buyer already has passed background checks.

ATF says Wyoming's law could allow people to get a concealed weapons permit, even though they wouldn't qualify under federal standards.

Earlier this year, Nicholas V. Colucci, deputy chief of ATF's Firearms Division, wrote to Crank, saying that if the state maintained its interpretation of the law, Wyoming's concealed weapons permit would not be accepted as an alternative to an NICS search, adding that "ATF would be pleased to work with you on possible remedies that meet our common goal of ensuring that firearms are kept out of the hands of prohibited persons, including those with domestic violence convictions."

Crank said ATF's position amounted to an ultimatum: "Either capitulate to the BATF's illegal interpretations or the BATF will take actions against Wyoming citizens which would deprive them of their due process rights."

In a news release Wednesday, Gov. Dave Freudenthal supported the lawsuit, saying Wyoming's law "actually gives Wyoming's law enforcement and judicial system a greater ability to protect domestic violence victims."

State Sen. Cale Case, R-Lander, who sponsored the legislation, also backed the lawsuit.

"Federal officials do not like Wyoming's procedure for restoring Second Amendment rights in one-time misdemeanor convictions," Case said. "But our process is consistent with federal law and the protection of the public ...."

A service of the Associated Press(AP)
 
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I've been out there. Even Jackson Hole is just NOTHING. But, hey, the people are real nice and the state is gorgeous in some places. Couldn't live there myself, it's a bit depressing going twenty minutes and seeing only a dozen or so cars.
 
"Federal officials do not like Wyoming's procedure for restoring Second Amendment rights in one-time misdemeanor convictions," Case said. "But our process is consistent with federal law and the protection of the public ...."

[rolleyes]
 
Go Wyoming!

In this country I see 2 sides here. One side wants to protect the 2nd amendment and the other side does not. I betcha a dollar if we have a full blown civil war, the side that is going against the 2nd amendment would not last more than a week [smile]
 
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That's a good one, KidGlock. Let's hope Wyoming prevails on this one. VT has dealt with this issue before, not Domestic Violence convictions, but repeat DWI convictions (yes, that can keep you from owning firearms, if the possible penalty is high enough). I know a guy that got his last DWI conviction fully set aside so he can own guns again. This still shows on his record in enough of a way that if he gets another DWI (he doesn't drink anymore, so, it won't happen), he gets a really tough sentence.
 
I've been out there. Even Jackson Hole is just NOTHING.

Nothing??? No gangbangers , no smog , no car horns , no traffic jams , no tall buildings to block the view , no stupid rules on HI CAP mags . yea I'd say nothing is good .

it's a bit depressing going twenty minutes and seeing only a dozen or so cars.

Better than combat driving in those roundy rounds back east , Can you say 65 mph ..............[rofl]

Sorry Kal but you didnt LOOK around enough , there is lots here you just dont get it . Anybody just driving through on 80 REALLY cant see the big picture .
 
KIDGLOCK said:
Nothing??? No gangbangers , no smog , no car horns , no traffic jams , no tall buildings to block the view , no stupid rules on HI CAP mags . yea I'd say nothing is good .



Better than combat driving in those roundy rounds back east , Can you say 65 mph ..............[rofl]

Sorry Kal but you didnt LOOK around enough , there is lots here you just dont get it . Anybody just driving through on 80 REALLY cant see the big picture .

You don't have to leave New England to do any of that. Just go to Northern New England. Don't even need a CCW Permit here (not required).
 
I lived in Rutland for 2 years so I know what you are saying !! VT, and Maine are great , kind of like WA and OR .

We've got it pretty good here in WY with out a doubt .

You've got to face the facts back east is just like Komyfornia taking away your rights . Right . Right.

Just read the first post here thats all .
 
VT is actually not trying to take our rights. Only reason they don't try is a fair amount of our Liberals up here are gun owners themselves. One of my local politicians is about as Liberal as it gets, except for Gun Control.

She'd make Wayne Lapierre and the JPFO crew look Anti-Gun in comparison.
 
A little? Yeah, right, yuo're as biased as I am, possibly worse. That's OK, you used to live in southern New England as well, right? That'd make anybody paranoid of gun laws.
 
Kalahari said:
I've been out there. Even Jackson Hole is just NOTHING. But, hey, the people are real nice and the state is gorgeous in some places. Couldn't live there myself, it's a bit depressing going twenty minutes and seeing only a dozen or so cars.
Sounds like heaven to me! The fewer people around the better! [wink]
 
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