WTF is wrong with Florida??

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So, I'm here for work...I get up this morning and I'm watching the news while I'm getting ready for work. They said that they wanted to make the Florida's version of the MCAS a little harder. So, they give the kids the test and it's the worst scores in Florida history. So, what did they do? I heard this evening on the radio that they've lowered the scores needed to make it look better. What is up with that? They said that they are going to lose money, that they will drop in credibility, that it will reduce property taxes.

What is this teaching the kids?? That they can suck and the schools will just drop the floor so they will look better.

Why not just make them work harder, or have the teacher do a better job?

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/florida-board-voting-fcat-scoring-revision/nN559/
 
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Kids are not held accountable anymore..."everybody gets a trophy"...whether they earn it or not, they are entitled. [frown]
 
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What is this teaching the kids?? That they can suck and the schools will just drop the floor so they will look better.

Why not just make them work harder, or have the teacher do a better job?
Hey C-pher, what are you, some kind of radical with these thoughts?[laugh][laugh]
 

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I graduated from high school with kids that couldn't read. If this country wants to compete in a world economy, raise the mcas standards, make the teachers and students accountable.
 

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MCAS testing only shows that the school system can "Teach to the Test". Using that method, no learning is involved.
True and false (think Schroedinger's cat).

If students can't be taught to a certain level of performance on a basic test on core subjects like the English language, match and science, there is something deficient with their education (or their brain).

Or, put another way - if you have a very difficult to diagnose medical condition, do you want a board certified specialist who absolutely sailed through his board exams, or a doc who was not able to get "board certification" but assures you he is as smart as those MDs who were able to pass the exam because their med schools "taught to the test"? Ditto for riding in a plane with a pilot who can't pass the FAA written exam, and derides flight schools where they "teach to the test".
 

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Kids are not held accountable anymore..."everybody gets a trophy"...whether they earn it or not, they are entitled. [frown]
The school systems in Florida have always sucked, long before this wave of "everybody gets a trophy" took over.
I remember back in the 70's hearing about high school graduates in Florida that were functional illiterates.
Not much has changed since.
Florida may as well be called "The Dumbass State".
It's a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there.
 

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Sounds right for govt education.

"Results" are just a facade to placate the masses.

Its no wonder we have the government we have, when the future voters are trained so well by that very govt.

Its amazing how well the systems work if you look at it from the point of view of perpetuating the state.


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MCAS testing only shows that the school system can "Teach to the Test". Using that method, no learning is involved.


Exactly. Who the hell decided that making every child pass the same test at the same time had anything to do with actual education? It is a bureaucrat's wet dream, but otherwise is a huge squandering of our national future.

Education which tries to make every single student pass the same test is, quite simply, insane. America used to have strength over other industrialized countries because we can innovate. We didn't follow the rules, we made them up. We had the science and engineering talent who could think out of the box. In a single stroke we've turned our whole education system into a poor copy of China or something. Brilliant, bravo.
 

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I graduated from high school with kids that couldn't read. If this country wants to compete in a world economy, raise the mcas standards, make the teachers and students accountable.
You are kidding right?
The goal of govt education is to train a populace that is ever more dependent on the state. Anyone interested in competing in the world economy has to leverage their future 20 years of earnings to be indoctrinated by "experts" in their fields of study.
Innovate? You won't be accepted by your "peers" and likely won't be able to work in that field. Its awesome actually.

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You are kidding right?
The goal of govt education is to train a populace that is ever more dependent on the state. Anyone interested in competing in the world economy has to leverage their future 20 years of earnings to be indoctrinated by "experts" in their fields of study.
Innovate? You won't be accepted by your "peers" and likely won't be able to work in that field. Its awesome actually.

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No I am not kidding, If you cant read on an adult level why would any company hire you? The mcas test should be a test to make sure you passed the year you are in and can go to the next grade in school without slowing down the other students.
 

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No I am not kidding, If you cant read on an adult level why would any company hire you? The mcas test should be a test to make sure you passed the year you are in and can go to the next grade in school without slowing down the other students.
My point was that if we want to compete on the world stage, we need to get .gov out of the education business.

Arguing about the mcas is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

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My point was that if we want to compete on the world stage, we need to get .gov out of the education business.

Arguing about the mcas is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

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But what about the childrens? The ones who will be left behind?
 

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Sounds right for govt education.
Government education in this country was pretty darn good for many, many years, and that was much of the foundation for our nation's previous success. The problem today isn't that the government is providing education, it is how they are doing it.
 

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My point was that if we want to compete on the world stage, we need to get .gov out of the education business.

Arguing about the mcas is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

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Honesty I think you should not proceed to the next year in school until you pass a test. I graduated with kids that couldn't spell or write beyond a 3rd grade level.
 

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Having grown up in China, I consider myself a product of the system that 'taught to the Test'. I attributed that the rigidity of curriculum severely limited children's growth in creative and critical thinking. During grad school, I did find my American peers exhibited more creativity than I did in class work, but I adapted.

Using a cliche 'anything worth doing, is worth measuring'. Criticizing 'teaching to the test' all you want, but some sort of tests are always needed.
 

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Honesty I think you should not proceed to the next year in school until you pass a test. I graduated with kids that couldn't spell or write beyond a 3rd grade level.
Sure, I cant disagree. I also cant agree that education is a function of the folks we decide can use the guns against us.

Maybe, maybe at a very local level.

I guess I see govt as the worst solution for pretty much anything, because it works through coercion. If folks could opt out or in, fine let govt educate. Just dont throw folks in cages when they want to spend those $$$ elsewhere.



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WTF is wrong with Florida??
Florida is out of control and the education system is only one of it's problems.
People are very screwed up down there:

Mom kills her children, herself at Florida home

A Florida mother shot her four children early Tuesday morning before turning the gun on herself at her home in Port St. John, police said.

A neighbor heard shots at 4:50 a.m. and then responded to a knock at the door to find three of the children, police said.

The three children went to the neighbor's house to say their mother had shot them, Brevard County Sheriff's Office Lt. Tod Goodyear said, according to CNN affiliate WKMG.

The mother, Tonya Thomas, 33, then called them back home, Brevard County Sheriff's Office Lt. Tod Goodyear told reporters.

The mother then shot them again, killing them
Full Story >>> http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/15/justice/florida-bodies/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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One thing, while many of the hospitals i've worked at have blocked NES through their guest networks. I haven't found one here in FL that has.


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according to this chart Florida is average, and ranked 11 overall..


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/state-education-rankings-_n_894528.html



RankStateSERI
Well Above Average1Massachusetts4.82
2Minnesota4.06
3New Jersey4.04
4New Hampshire4.01
5New York3.94
Above Average6Virginia3.73
7Maryland3.57
8Connecticut3.28
9Indiana3.28
10Maine3.24
Average11Florida3.13
12Illinois3.08
13South Dakota3.08
14Wisconsin3.06
15Colorado3.04
16Kansas3.00
17Kentucky3.00
18Vermont2.93
19Georgia2.88
20Washington2.86
21Utah2.85
22Pennsylvania2.80
23Tennessee2.67
24Ohio2.64
25Delaware2.60
26Michigan2.60
27Oregon2.58
28Wyoming2.58
29Montana2.53
Below Average
30Idaho2.47
31Texas2.45
32North Dakota2.40
33Missouri2.39
34California2.38
35Rhode Island2.38
36North Carolina2.34
37Hawaii2.29
38Iowa2.25
39Alaska2.20
40South Carolina2.20
41Arkansas2.14
Far Below Average42Oklahoma2.01
43Nebraska1.97
44Nevada1.93
45Arizona1.91
46New Mexico1.72
47Alabama1.60
48Louisiana1.59
49West Virginia1.58
50Mississippi1.11
National Average----2.82
 

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If a kid doesn't want to learn then there is not much a teacher can do to change that. Most kids are lazy, spoiled brats. Hey baby-boomers, thanks for effing everything up!
 
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I graduated from high school with kids that couldn't read. If this country wants to compete in a world economy, raise the mcas standards, make the teachers and students accountable.
Newsflash: you don't need everyone to be literate and have an advanced degree to compete in the world economy. In fact, it will probably hurt our economy in the end. We have no cheap labor like China does, and they are competing just fine in the world markets. MCAS and whatever equivalent are solutions looking for problems.

But what about the childrens? The ones who will be left behind?
Someone has to clean the toilets, dig ditches, and mow lawns.
 
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Well, it's still a heck of a lot better than the People's Republic, the cradle of socialized healthcare.
Really? I'd rather have my kid attend a school in a state where the standards are higher and she doesn't do as well vs. playing on a shortened field and do well. Don't like MA, that's fine. NH has managed to do pretty god damned well in educating their kids too. MA and NH trade back and forth on the #1 ranking in education in the US.

Another factor to consider is that FL does have a f*** ton of illegals. I'm sure that lowers the scores overall as well.

But yeah...when FARK creates a tag specifically for your state...you're pretty much effed.
 
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