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WTF is wrong with Florida??

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by C-pher, May 15, 2012.

  1. C-pher

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    So, I'm here for work...I get up this morning and I'm watching the news while I'm getting ready for work. They said that they wanted to make the Florida's version of the MCAS a little harder. So, they give the kids the test and it's the worst scores in Florida history. So, what did they do? I heard this evening on the radio that they've lowered the scores needed to make it look better. What is up with that? They said that they are going to lose money, that they will drop in credibility, that it will reduce property taxes.

    What is this teaching the kids?? That they can suck and the schools will just drop the floor so they will look better.

    Why not just make them work harder, or have the teacher do a better job?

    http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/florida-board-voting-fcat-scoring-revision/nN559/
     
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    Well, it's still a heck of a lot better than the People's Republic, the cradle of socialized healthcare.
     
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    I'm pretty sure it's not just Floriduh....
     
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  4. Carnea

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    Kids are not held accountable anymore..."everybody gets a trophy"...whether they earn it or not, they are entitled. [frown]
     
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    Hey C-pher, what are you, some kind of radical with these thoughts?[laugh][laugh]
     
  6. RHJJ

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    I graduated from high school with kids that couldn't read. If this country wants to compete in a world economy, raise the mcas standards, make the teachers and students accountable.
     
  7. Maxpower

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    I'll take where I live in the Peoples Republic over trash central any day.
     
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  8. RHJJ

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    True, change the test every year. Then listen to the crying.
     
  9. Rob Boudrie

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    True and false (think Schroedinger's cat).

    If students can't be taught to a certain level of performance on a basic test on core subjects like the English language, match and science, there is something deficient with their education (or their brain).

    Or, put another way - if you have a very difficult to diagnose medical condition, do you want a board certified specialist who absolutely sailed through his board exams, or a doc who was not able to get "board certification" but assures you he is as smart as those MDs who were able to pass the exam because their med schools "taught to the test"? Ditto for riding in a plane with a pilot who can't pass the FAA written exam, and derides flight schools where they "teach to the test".
     
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    Another win for public schools
     
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    I would trade all the laws of MA for those of FL in a heartbeat. I don't know about the trash, but the weathers usually pretty nice.
     
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    The school systems in Florida have always sucked, long before this wave of "everybody gets a trophy" took over.
    I remember back in the 70's hearing about high school graduates in Florida that were functional illiterates.
    Not much has changed since.
    Florida may as well be called "The Dumbass State".
    It's a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there.
     
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    Sounds right for govt education.

    "Results" are just a facade to placate the masses.

    Its no wonder we have the government we have, when the future voters are trained so well by that very govt.

    Its amazing how well the systems work if you look at it from the point of view of perpetuating the state.


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  14. hminsky

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    Exactly. Who the hell decided that making every child pass the same test at the same time had anything to do with actual education? It is a bureaucrat's wet dream, but otherwise is a huge squandering of our national future.

    Education which tries to make every single student pass the same test is, quite simply, insane. America used to have strength over other industrialized countries because we can innovate. We didn't follow the rules, we made them up. We had the science and engineering talent who could think out of the box. In a single stroke we've turned our whole education system into a poor copy of China or something. Brilliant, bravo.
     
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    You are kidding right?
    The goal of govt education is to train a populace that is ever more dependent on the state. Anyone interested in competing in the world economy has to leverage their future 20 years of earnings to be indoctrinated by "experts" in their fields of study.
    Innovate? You won't be accepted by your "peers" and likely won't be able to work in that field. Its awesome actually.

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  16. Maxpower

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    The weather is usually pretty nice up here too, and we get a winter.
     
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    No I am not kidding, If you cant read on an adult level why would any company hire you? The mcas test should be a test to make sure you passed the year you are in and can go to the next grade in school without slowing down the other students.
     
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    My point was that if we want to compete on the world stage, we need to get .gov out of the education business.

    Arguing about the mcas is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

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    But what about the childrens? The ones who will be left behind?
     
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    Government education in this country was pretty darn good for many, many years, and that was much of the foundation for our nation's previous success. The problem today isn't that the government is providing education, it is how they are doing it.
     
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    Honesty I think you should not proceed to the next year in school until you pass a test. I graduated with kids that couldn't spell or write beyond a 3rd grade level.
     
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    Having grown up in China, I consider myself a product of the system that 'taught to the Test'. I attributed that the rigidity of curriculum severely limited children's growth in creative and critical thinking. During grad school, I did find my American peers exhibited more creativity than I did in class work, but I adapted.

    Using a cliche 'anything worth doing, is worth measuring'. Criticizing 'teaching to the test' all you want, but some sort of tests are always needed.
     
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    Sure, I cant disagree. I also cant agree that education is a function of the folks we decide can use the guns against us.

    Maybe, maybe at a very local level.

    I guess I see govt as the worst solution for pretty much anything, because it works through coercion. If folks could opt out or in, fine let govt educate. Just dont throw folks in cages when they want to spend those $$$ elsewhere.



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    Florida is out of control and the education system is only one of it's problems.
    People are very screwed up down there:

    Full Story >>> http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/15/justice/florida-bodies/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    [sad2]
     
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    One thing, while many of the hospitals i've worked at have blocked NES through their guest networks. I haven't found one here in FL that has.


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  26. porkpiehat

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    according to this chart Florida is average, and ranked 11 overall..


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/state-education-rankings-_n_894528.html



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    [TD="class: last_col"]4.82[/TD]
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    [TD]Minnesota[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]4.06[/TD]
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    [TD]3[/TD]
    [TD]New Jersey[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]4.04[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]4[/TD]
    [TD]New Hampshire[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]4.01[/TD]
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    [TD]5[/TD]
    [TD]New York[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]3.94[/TD]
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    [TD]Above Average[/TD]
    [TD]6[/TD]
    [TD]Virginia[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]3.73[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]7[/TD]
    [TD]Maryland[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]3.57[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]8[/TD]
    [TD]Connecticut[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]3.28[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]9[/TD]
    [TD]Indiana[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]3.28[/TD]
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    [TD]10[/TD]
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    [TD]12[/TD]
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    [TD="class: last_col"]3.08[/TD]
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    [TD]13[/TD]
    [TD]South Dakota[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]3.08[/TD]
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    [TD]14[/TD]
    [TD]Wisconsin[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]3.06[/TD]
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    [TD]15[/TD]
    [TD]Colorado[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]3.04[/TD]
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    [TD]16[/TD]
    [TD]Kansas[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]3.00[/TD]
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    [TD]17[/TD]
    [TD]Kentucky[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]3.00[/TD]
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    [TD]Vermont[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.93[/TD]
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    [TD]19[/TD]
    [TD]Georgia[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.88[/TD]
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    [TD]20[/TD]
    [TD]Washington[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.86[/TD]
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    [TD]21[/TD]
    [TD]Utah[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.85[/TD]
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    [TD]Pennsylvania[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.80[/TD]
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    [TD="class: last_col"]2.67[/TD]
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    [TD]Ohio[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.64[/TD]
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    [TD]25[/TD]
    [TD]Delaware[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.60[/TD]
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    [TD]26[/TD]
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    [TD="class: last_col"]2.60[/TD]
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    [TD="class: last_col"]2.58[/TD]
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    [TD]28[/TD]
    [TD]Wyoming[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.58[/TD]
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    [TD]29[/TD]
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    [TD="class: last_col"]2.53[/TD]
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    [TD="class: last_col"]2.47[/TD]
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    [TD]31[/TD]
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    [TD="class: last_col"]2.45[/TD]
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    [TD]32[/TD]
    [TD]North Dakota[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.40[/TD]
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    [TD]33[/TD]
    [TD]Missouri[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.39[/TD]
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    [TD]34[/TD]
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    [TD="class: last_col"]2.38[/TD]
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    [TD]35[/TD]
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    [TD="class: last_col"]2.38[/TD]
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    [TD]36[/TD]
    [TD]North Carolina[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.34[/TD]
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    [TD]37[/TD]
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    [TD="class: last_col"]2.29[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]38[/TD]
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    [TD="class: last_col"]2.25[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]39[/TD]
    [TD]Alaska[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.20[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]40[/TD]
    [TD]South Carolina[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.20[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]41[/TD]
    [TD]Arkansas[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.14[/TD]
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    [TD]42[/TD]
    [TD]Oklahoma[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.01[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]43[/TD]
    [TD]Nebraska[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]1.97[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]44[/TD]
    [TD]Nevada[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]1.93[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]45[/TD]
    [TD]Arizona[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]1.91[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]46[/TD]
    [TD]New Mexico[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]1.72[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]47[/TD]
    [TD]Alabama[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]1.60[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]48[/TD]
    [TD]Louisiana[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]1.59[/TD]
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]49[/TD]
    [TD]West Virginia[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]1.58
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    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]50[/TD]
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    [TD]--[/TD]
    [TD="class: last_col"]2.82[/TD]
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    If a kid doesn't want to learn then there is not much a teacher can do to change that. Most kids are lazy, spoiled brats. Hey baby-boomers, thanks for effing everything up!
     
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    Newsflash: you don't need everyone to be literate and have an advanced degree to compete in the world economy. In fact, it will probably hurt our economy in the end. We have no cheap labor like China does, and they are competing just fine in the world markets. MCAS and whatever equivalent are solutions looking for problems.

    Someone has to clean the toilets, dig ditches, and mow lawns.
     
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    Really? I'd rather have my kid attend a school in a state where the standards are higher and she doesn't do as well vs. playing on a shortened field and do well. Don't like MA, that's fine. NH has managed to do pretty god damned well in educating their kids too. MA and NH trade back and forth on the #1 ranking in education in the US.

    Another factor to consider is that FL does have a f*** ton of illegals. I'm sure that lowers the scores overall as well.

    But yeah...when FARK creates a tag specifically for your state...you're pretty much effed.
     

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