Worman v. Baker (MA AWB) Oral Arguments 1-9-2019

[Redbeard22]

Here we go... Really interested to see what happens from this. It could have a bigger affect than just here in Mass.

 

[Dadstoys]

Let's do this .
I can't wait to see how the "Because I said so." defense works out .

 

[Friday]

Wha, wait? Granted Cert?

 

[John42056]

So what would be the timeline on a decision to grant or deny?

 

[FrugalFannie]

the articles do NOT say that SCOTUS has agreed to hear the case, just that it has been "received" by them. They review hundreds of cases every year that they deny cert for. This may or may not be heard by SCOTUS.

 

[Friday]

Ah, no cert, no guarantee they will take it up. Then again, they may still have a boner against MA for Kataeno, so who knows?

 

[milktree]

I would be freakin' thrilled to see my "investment" in pre-ban magazines go up in smoke.

 

[Cap'n Mike]

The Judge in this case twisted the words of the Heller Decision just as bad as The Judge in Ceatano.
He ended his misinterpation of Heller with the words "Justice Scalia would be proud".
Its such a slap in the face that I have a good feeling SCOTUS will grant cert for this one.
Fingers crossed.

 

[DispositionMatrix]

SCOTUS will punt on this one.

 

[DarthRevan]

I’ve accepted that no court will ever side with the dirty plebeians so long as it comes to the ability to fight back against the same government.

 

[FrugalFannie]

I find it "interesting" that no one from Comm2A has commented???

Maybe they are too busy "crossing their fingers" to type an update on this thread?

 

[soam]

I find it "interesting" that no one from Comm2A has commented???

Maybe they are too busy "crossing their fingers" to type an update on this thread?

Comm2A is a handful of people who have actual day jobs and lives outside this forum and doing Comm2A stuff. I'm guessing Knuckle Dragger hasn't even seen the updates to the thread.

As you already noted, this isn't really interesting news anyways - the case arrived at SCOTUS and cert has been applied for, that's it. The only interesting thing that'll happen is SCOTUS will either grant or deny cert, and there's no way to know which way that'll go until it happens.

 

[Chevy 2 65]

I find it "interesting" that no one from Comm2A has commented???

Maybe they are too busy "crossing their fingers" to type an update on this thread?

or maybe they need to maintain silence for now? or too busy?

 

[MarkT]

SCOTUS will punt on this one.

Unfortunately I tend to agree

 

[SFC13557]

Another small donation incoming to COMM 2A.

 

[citoriguy]

SCOTUS will punt on this one.

ding ding ding

Sad though. I can only imagine the sh!t eating grin on Maura's face if cert is denied.

 

[VetteGirlMA]

SCOTUS will punt on this one.

There are different decisions from the various circuits. It could be ripe for a scotus review because one half of the circuits disagree with the other half.

 

[1903Collector]

So, could the AG send out another letter saying "just kidding, carry on as if 6/20 never happened" to try and avoid this? kinda like what NYC tried to do, or are we way past that?

 

[soam]

So, could the AG send out another letter saying "just kidding, carry on as if 6/20 never happened" to try and avoid this? kinda like what NYC tried to do, or are we way past that?

If she tries that, it would be foolish to allow it to moot the case since she could just turn around and reinstate it later.

It's highly unlikely she would do that though, since it's far from a foregone conclusion that our side would prevail if SCOTUS grants cert.

 

[FrugalFannie]

Comm2A is a handful of people who have actual day jobs and lives outside this forum and doing Comm2A stuff. I'm guessing Knuckle Dragger hasn't even seen the updates to the thread.

As you already noted, this isn't really interesting news anyways - the case arrived at SCOTUS and cert has been applied for, that's it. The only interesting thing that'll happen is SCOTUS will either grant or deny cert, and there's no way to know which way that'll go until it happens.

wasn't a "slam" against any of the Comm2A staff/volunteers/etc.

 

[Pete85]

Off topic a bit, but every time I see this thread title, I see it as "Woman vs. Baker" and before reading the rest of the title, I think it's about Charlie's son...

 

[Dadstoys]

So, could the AG send out another letter saying "just kidding, carry on as if 6/20 never happened" to try and avoid this? kinda like what NYC tried to do, or are we way past that?

There is an ego there the size of Mount Everest .
She really does believe the public serves her and not the other way around.
She will ride it in.

 

[mikeyp]

There is an ego there the size of Mount Everest .
She really does believe the public serves her and not the other way around.
She will ride it in.

Ew. 3 words that shouldn't go together she(referring to Maura) and ride it

 

[Dadstoys]

Ew. 3 words that shouldn't go together she(referring to Maura) and ride it

Great , now I have to kill some brain cells to get that picture out of my head.

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

I’m actually on a shot vacation this week. No computer, out of cell range and only very limited WiFi.

I don’t think Worman will get a cert grant. There are already too many good and less controversial petitions pending. But these issues still have to be put before the court.

We may know a lot more about pending petitions on October 2nd. I also hope to get an OT 2019 preview posted by then.

 

[DarthRevan]

I’m actually on a shot vacation this week. No computer, out of cell range and only very limited WiFi.

I don’t think Worman will get a cert grant. There are already too many good and less controversial petitions pending. But these issues still have to be put before the court.

We may know a lot more about pending petitions on October 2nd. I also hope to get an OT 2019 preview posted by then.

You deserve a vacation. Thanks for all your work folks!

 

[babygorilla]

I think what you all are missing is that the Worman case isn't JUST about the Healey letter. It's about the '94 AWB and mag limits and all the other BS associated wiht the MA AWB. Becasue of this it might trigger SCOTUS Cert due to it's direct conflict with Heller AND the fact there are similar cases ongoing in NY, NJ, and CA.

"The complaint make three allegations:

• That the Massachusetts Assault Weapons Ban is unconstitutional because it bans the possession of an entire class of 'arms' that are in common use by law-abiding adult citizens in violation of the Supreme Court's decision in DC v. Heller.
• That the Attorney General's July 20, 2016 Notice of Enforcement is unconstitutional because it amounts to an ex post facto enlargement of an existing criminal statute.
• That the term "copies or duplicates" is unconstitutionally vague because law-abiding citizens of average intelligence are not aware of what conduct is prohibited."

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

I think what you all are missing is that the Worman case isn't JUST about the Healey letter. It's about the '94 AWB and mag limits and all the other BS associated wiht the MA AWB. Becasue of this it might trigger SCOTUS Cert due to it's direct conflict with Heller AND the fact there are similar cases ongoing in NY, NJ, and CA.

"The complaint make three allegations:

• That the Massachusetts Assault Weapons Ban is unconstitutional because it bans the possession of an entire class of 'arms' that are in common use by law-abiding adult citizens in violation of the Supreme Court's decision in DC v. Heller.
• That the Attorney General's July 20, 2016 Notice of Enforcement is unconstitutional because it amounts to an ex post facto enlargement of an existing criminal statute.
• That the term "copies or duplicates" is unconstitutionally vague because law-abiding citizens of average intelligence are not aware of what conduct is prohibited."

Correct. Worman challenges the AWB. The NSSF case - still in the district court - challenges AG Healey's new interpretation of the AWB.

 

[soam]

I haven't seen a link to it here (unless I missed it), but here is the petition that was filed last Monday.

None of the arguments it makes should be surprising to anyone who has been following the case, but it's nice to see them all laid out clearly and concisely.

 

[Reptile]