Witnesses say many dead, injured in shooting at New Zealand mosque

And here we see the usual problem of people thinking of political ideology as a linear range of left vs right. It’s not. Far left and far right are NOT opposite sides of a political spectrum but directly adjacent.

honestly, I don't think that this guy is a philosopher who can clearly communicate his belief system.

One thing is true, regardless of how many people call him crazy, there is pent up anger and resentment that had no other outlet. This planet is too small to safely house all of us.
 
Is there a noted third location then? From the footage I know of, he starts at Masjid Al Noo, and appears to be the only occupant of that vehicle where he is gearing up. He creates mass casualties there, and then gets in a car and heads elsewhere. Shooting from inside that car, he then left and the video ends shortly thereafter.

So it sound like perhaps he engaged 3 targets?

Nah, I've since gone back and re-read the article, which is/was stupidly written (no surprise).

The shooting did in fact occur at Al Noor Mosque first, then afterward at the Linwood Mosque, which is where the shooter was disarmed, but subsequently escaped and climbed into a car with persons inside.
 
Having read through most of this I take back my prior assessment of the POS's motive as a liberal antifa false-flag. As a whole his manifesto is actually fairly consistent; not logical, but mostly consistent. Now MNSHO is that he is/was a hyper-segregationalist trying to achieve ethnic cleansing and division via anarcho-terrorist means. He's an anarchist-segregationalist. The "eco-" part is at most tertiary. His primary goal was to create anarchy by killing foreigners, with some vague idea that ethnically segregated order would somehow emerge. I think he would have fit right into the 1980's and 90's Yugoslavia, Serbia and Croatia.
 
Nah, I've since gone back and re-read the article, which is/was stupidly written (no surprise).

The shooting did in fact occur at Al Noor Mosque first, then afterward at the Linwood Mosque, which is where the shooter was disarmed, but subsequently escaped and climbed into a car with persons inside.

Interesting. From the footage I know of, and your statement above, it would seem the footage cuts off before he gets to Linwood. This would mean he shot through the windows of that first vehicle, at some interim target between the two mosques, and then the video cut. Terrible all around. Does nothing but solidify my desire to always be armed when in public.
 
Modern Christians make up a very small percentage of religious inspired violence yet the media portrays this as some systemic issue while ignoring Islamic extremism.

Edit: And seriously what Christian says "see you in Valhalla"??? Sounds pagan to me!

Oh, the modern Christian's are good? Well then I guess that absolves them of the centuries of horrific acts they've committed!

Thank you for making my point!



yes, earthly motive like Mohammed wanted to f*** a 9 y.o. because of his pedo urges, so he made it legit and every single pedo now rejoices, because it's ok and legit and you can't call them crazy or deranged.

wars over resources, land, or just for the f*** of it always went on, but putting a label like "Deus Vult" or "Inshallah" and presto, you got a righteous cause, now you are a good guy, everything is justified and all good.


Religious excuses is is like wearing the right uniform/flag in this day and age. Nazi's gassed a bunch of people ... bad. Commies gassed x10 ... good, because "allies" and iPhone is made in China so no bitching about communism.

Chinese kill assload of muslims, so? Who is talking about that? They probably wasted a bunch yesterday too, but who is going to know.

All religious motives! Keep the evidence coming. Religion is crazy.
 
the spectrum in reality isnt left/right as much as it is total gov on one end------------------------------------and no gov on other

Before someone makes some assinine statement about anarchy being on the right side of this.....anarchy isnt a form of gov...

You’re literally falling into the same trap in thinking that it’s linear.

You are then compounding it by thinking political ideology is somehow confined to separate linear spectrums that only include governments on one.
 
Oh, the modern Christian's are good? Well then I guess that absolves them of the centuries of horrific acts they've committed!

Thank you for making my point!





All religious motives! Keep the evidence coming. Religion is crazy.
How does one live for centuries? Are you a white male? Then it's your fault about the slaughter of the Indians. Oh, and I forgot the christians are all over the world today creating horrific acts in the name of love and peace.
 
How does one live for centuries? Are you a white male? Then it's your fault about the slaughter of the Indians. Oh, and I forgot the christians are all over the world today creating horrific acts in the name of love and peace.

So, maybe you could go back and see my original point, then youd have some context. Otherwise, your argument isnt making much sense. Okthanks.
 
How does one live for centuries? Are you a white male? Then it's your fault about the slaughter of the Indians. Oh, and I forgot the christians are all over the world today creating horrific acts in the name of love and peace.

My people were here first before Indians, if you got any reparashun money, please make your check out to me. [wink]
 
And the part how he hates the US and the part how he wants more gun control in the US to further divide the people and the part how he hates Donald Trump’s policies and leadership. Sounds like a Dem politician to me.

are you good with Trump's policies and leadership? How is new (not repair old) wall construction going?

Not everyone who is dissapointed in Trump is a Dim or Rino.
 
Who cares what his politics are. He's a lone nutjob with a messed up head. We can worry about his politics if a trend emerges with future attacks. In the meantime, let's see if he was on any SSRIs...
 
Who cares what his politics are. He's a lone nutjob with a messed up head. We can worry about his politics if a trend emerges with future attacks. In the meantime, let's see if he was on any SSRIs...

his sentiment is very popular. Look at any right sights (not even gun), many arguments are being beat to death. Even here on NES.

it's easy to put him into nutjob category and completely ignore the growing discontent and the root problems. Multiculturalism doesn't not work well for humans.
 
My point is this guy probably didn't have an elevator that went all the way up, much like lanza etc, and nobody was paying attention or cared, etc. Or got glad handed, so on.

I agree with the rest of what you're saying though. Media overhypes all of this crap and ignores the truly dangerous stuff (like seguing into communism).

Tons of people are starving, dying on the reg, eating other people's pets in Venezuela because communism/socialist bullshit and nobody gives a shit. Media: "That's uncomfortable so we won't talk about that much" etc. Nobody sees how f***ed up it is down there unless they start digging...

-Mike

"Beyond his white nationalistic views, he claimed to be an environmentalist and said he is a fascist who believes China is the nation that most aligns with his political and social values."

When you see these things together you know the dude was quite wrong in the head, somewhat hysterical type, possibly.
To Boris's point - you want to see what real European violence can be - look at Breivik.
 
his sentiment is very popular. Look at any right sights (not even gun), many arguments are being beat to death. Even here on NES.

it's easy to put him into nutjob category and completely ignore the growing discontent and the root problems. Multiculturalism doesn't not work well for humans.
This. Only difference between him and a good percentage of the population is the fact that he put his beliefs out there and then acted on them.
 
"Beyond his white nationalistic views, he claimed to be an environmentalist and said he is a fascist who believes China is the nation that most aligns with his political and social values."

When you see these things together you know the dude was quite wrong in the head, somewhat hysterical type, possibly.
To Boris's point - you want to see what real European violence can be - look at Breivik.

Yes, but Breivik was really f***ed in the head, as I suspect this guy is.

The ideological crap is just a crutch, something for them to latch onto to use to drown out whatever tiny voice in their head that tells them that
it is wrong.

-Mike
 
so what do people expect about the "go time"? How many times this term has been used on NES? What people expect when "go time" comes? You got guns, not water soakers, they kill. If it's really "go time" someone is going to die, you may need to pull the trigger.

You are not going to see anything different than what you saw in that video clip. Just because people are bad or because they wear uniform, it doesn't mean that they won't bleed or die in some cartoonish way. When people say "stack like firewood" ... this is what that stacking looks like (otherwise you are the one being stacked) Is that suddenly disturbing to people?

I get it that's it's f***ed up, it's not normal, but this is what violence looks like. Outside of sleepy burbs this shit goes on pretty much everywhere on the planet. There should not be surprise.
 
so what do people expect about the "go time"? How many times this term has been used on NES? What people expect when "go time" comes? You got guns, not water soakers, they kill. If it's really "go time" someone is going to die, you may need to pull the trigger.

You are not going to see anything different than what you saw in that video clip. Just because people are bad or because they wear uniform, it doesn't mean that they won't bleed or die in some cartoonish way. When people say "stack like firewood" ... this is what that stacking looks like (otherwise you are the one being stacked) Is that suddenly disturbing to people?

I get it that's it's f***ed up, it's not normal, but this is what violence looks like. Outside of sleepy burbs this shit goes on pretty much everywhere on the planet. There should not be surprise.

I think one of the biggest obstacles to a peaceful outcome in our country is just how good we have it. Even in poverty, we have phones and luxury that is unheard of elsewhere in the world. Very few people in my generation, nevermind the kids today, have seen real discomfort up close and personal. It's a completely foreign concept to so many that you would ever need to self sufficiently defend yourself. Immediate violent threats like this are simply not a reality for most. When they happen, its so easy to blame the gun, because this type of evil is just not present in our day to day life. We have it so damn good that everyone just thinks its always been this way, and always will be this way. If something happens you just call the cops and they will come and protect and serve... I really don't think there is anything that can fix it other than societal breakdown. It's a complete catch 22. I was in Venezuela back in 2014 and 2016 visiting a friend, and the one thing I will say is thank GOD for the 2A. They were reduced to single shot shotguns and only in the hands of "security" long ago. The writing was on the wall, and now we can see how it unfolds. The military is just backing the ones who feed them, and have no incentive otherwise because the populace is powerless. It saddens me that I see no way to explain or debate our way off the path we are on. Like you said, go time is not pretty, and its certainly not something that I wish for this country. There is virtually no difference between go time and that video, other than that maybe they'd be shooting back.
 
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