Witnesses say many dead, injured in shooting at New Zealand mosque

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How does one live for centuries? Are you a white male? Then it's your fault about the slaughter of the Indians. Oh, and I forgot the christians are all over the world today creating horrific acts in the name of love and peace.
So, maybe you could go back and see my original point, then youd have some context. Otherwise, your argument isnt making much sense. Okthanks.
 

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How does one live for centuries? Are you a white male? Then it's your fault about the slaughter of the Indians. Oh, and I forgot the christians are all over the world today creating horrific acts in the name of love and peace.
My people were here first before Indians, if you got any reparashun money, please make your check out to me. [wink]
 

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And the part how he hates the US and the part how he wants more gun control in the US to further divide the people and the part how he hates Donald Trump’s policies and leadership. Sounds like a Dem politician to me.
are you good with Trump's policies and leadership? How is new (not repair old) wall construction going?

Not everyone who is dissapointed in Trump is a Dim or Rino.
 

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Who cares what his politics are. He's a lone nutjob with a messed up head. We can worry about his politics if a trend emerges with future attacks. In the meantime, let's see if he was on any SSRIs...
 

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Who cares what his politics are. He's a lone nutjob with a messed up head. We can worry about his politics if a trend emerges with future attacks. In the meantime, let's see if he was on any SSRIs...
his sentiment is very popular. Look at any right sights (not even gun), many arguments are being beat to death. Even here on NES.

it's easy to put him into nutjob category and completely ignore the growing discontent and the root problems. Multiculturalism doesn't not work well for humans.
 

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My point is this guy probably didn't have an elevator that went all the way up, much like lanza etc, and nobody was paying attention or cared, etc. Or got glad handed, so on.

I agree with the rest of what you're saying though. Media overhypes all of this crap and ignores the truly dangerous stuff (like seguing into communism).

Tons of people are starving, dying on the reg, eating other people's pets in Venezuela because communism/socialist bullshit and nobody gives a shit. Media: "That's uncomfortable so we won't talk about that much" etc. Nobody sees how f***ed up it is down there unless they start digging...

-Mike
"Beyond his white nationalistic views, he claimed to be an environmentalist and said he is a fascist who believes China is the nation that most aligns with his political and social values."

When you see these things together you know the dude was quite wrong in the head, somewhat hysterical type, possibly.
To Boris's point - you want to see what real European violence can be - look at Breivik.
 

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his sentiment is very popular. Look at any right sights (not even gun), many arguments are being beat to death. Even here on NES.

it's easy to put him into nutjob category and completely ignore the growing discontent and the root problems. Multiculturalism doesn't not work well for humans.
This. Only difference between him and a good percentage of the population is the fact that he put his beliefs out there and then acted on them.
 

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"Beyond his white nationalistic views, he claimed to be an environmentalist and said he is a fascist who believes China is the nation that most aligns with his political and social values."

When you see these things together you know the dude was quite wrong in the head, somewhat hysterical type, possibly.
To Boris's point - you want to see what real European violence can be - look at Breivik.
Yes, but Breivik was really f***ed in the head, as I suspect this guy is.

The ideological crap is just a crutch, something for them to latch onto to use to drown out whatever tiny voice in their head that tells them that
it is wrong.

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so what do people expect about the "go time"? How many times this term has been used on NES? What people expect when "go time" comes? You got guns, not water soakers, they kill. If it's really "go time" someone is going to die, you may need to pull the trigger.

You are not going to see anything different than what you saw in that video clip. Just because people are bad or because they wear uniform, it doesn't mean that they won't bleed or die in some cartoonish way. When people say "stack like firewood" ... this is what that stacking looks like (otherwise you are the one being stacked) Is that suddenly disturbing to people?

I get it that's it's f***ed up, it's not normal, but this is what violence looks like. Outside of sleepy burbs this shit goes on pretty much everywhere on the planet. There should not be surprise.
 

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so what do people expect about the "go time"? How many times this term has been used on NES? What people expect when "go time" comes? You got guns, not water soakers, they kill. If it's really "go time" someone is going to die, you may need to pull the trigger.

You are not going to see anything different than what you saw in that video clip. Just because people are bad or because they wear uniform, it doesn't mean that they won't bleed or die in some cartoonish way. When people say "stack like firewood" ... this is what that stacking looks like (otherwise you are the one being stacked) Is that suddenly disturbing to people?

I get it that's it's f***ed up, it's not normal, but this is what violence looks like. Outside of sleepy burbs this shit goes on pretty much everywhere on the planet. There should not be surprise.
I think one of the biggest obstacles to a peaceful outcome in our country is just how good we have it. Even in poverty, we have phones and luxury that is unheard of elsewhere in the world. Very few people in my generation, nevermind the kids today, have seen real discomfort up close and personal. It's a completely foreign concept to so many that you would ever need to self sufficiently defend yourself. Immediate violent threats like this are simply not a reality for most. When they happen, its so easy to blame the gun, because this type of evil is just not present in our day to day life. We have it so damn good that everyone just thinks its always been this way, and always will be this way. If something happens you just call the cops and they will come and protect and serve... I really don't think there is anything that can fix it other than societal breakdown. It's a complete catch 22. I was in Venezuela back in 2014 and 2016 visiting a friend, and the one thing I will say is thank GOD for the 2A. They were reduced to single shot shotguns and only in the hands of "security" long ago. The writing was on the wall, and now we can see how it unfolds. The military is just backing the ones who feed them, and have no incentive otherwise because the populace is powerless. It saddens me that I see no way to explain or debate our way off the path we are on. Like you said, go time is not pretty, and its certainly not something that I wish for this country. There is virtually no difference between go time and that video, other than that maybe they'd be shooting back.
 

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This. Only difference between him and a good percentage of the population is the fact that he put his beliefs out there and then acted on them.
I can’t like this post because it would seem supportive of needless violence.... but that said.. your not wrong... and without a doubt this guy acted on his beliefs..... I just don’t understand stand how that helps his theory about the 2nd amendment and deviding America .... other than “hey I’m a nut job, and there must be enough nut jobs in the US to spark a civil war”

We have plenty of nut jobs that aren’t keyboard comandos, but I don’t think it’s as bad as his brand of crazy..... sure we’ll have mass shootings and lone wolf nut jobs.... if Obama and trump prove anything it’ll take a lot to get this party started.
 

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Is that supposed to prove anything? He thinks muslims having children is a threat to the environment, and you take that as some form of lefty platform? The guy is literally obsessed with preserving a white homeland for white people, which, to his mind, includes preserving a nice natural environment for white people to enjoy.

How anyone would classify that as anything but far-right is a mystery.
Classify it as the 800 lb gorilla in the room that people dismiss as the ravings of a rascist lunatic. The hard politically incorrect alternative way of thinking that someday may come to fruition.
 

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I can’t like this post because it would seem supportive of needless violence.... but that said.. your not wrong... and without a doubt this guy acted on his beliefs..... I just don’t understand stand how that helps his theory about the 2nd amendment and deviding America .... other than “hey I’m a nut job, and there must be enough nut jobs in the US to spark a civil war”

We have plenty of nut jobs that aren’t keyboard comandos, but I don’t think it’s as bad as his brand of crazy..... sure we’ll have mass shootings and lone wolf nut jobs.... if Obama and trump prove anything it’ll take a lot to get this party started.
The way I read it was he was hoping that his actions would lead to some over the top gun laws being passed in the US which would lead to some sort of resistance which would lead to a civil war in the US along racial lines. Tbh, my way of thinking is he's an Aussie in NZ so he can do whatever he wants, but he should mind his own business as far as the US is concerned.

I think he over estimated the effect that something happening on the other side of the world would have on American politics. Sure there will be some opportunistic bs by leftist politicians, but I dont think any laws will be passed here because of this.

From time to time, someone with strong beliefs and the will to act attempts to be the spark that kicks off the firestorm. So far, theyve over estimated their compatriots will to follow in their footsteps. Cable's still on, people have mortgages and full bellies, etc.
 

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so what do people expect about the "go time"? How many times this term has been used on NES? What people expect when "go time" comes? You got guns, not water soakers, they kill. If it's really "go time" someone is going to die, you may need to pull the trigger.

You are not going to see anything different than what you saw in that video clip. Just because people are bad or because they wear uniform, it doesn't mean that they won't bleed or die in some cartoonish way. When people say "stack like firewood" ... this is what that stacking looks like (otherwise you are the one being stacked) Is that suddenly disturbing to people?

I get it that's it's f***ed up, it's not normal, but this is what violence looks like. Outside of sleepy burbs this shit goes on pretty much everywhere on the planet. There should not be surprise.
Target selection is the differentiator between madman and freedom fighter. As far as I can tell this guy walked into a couple of mosques and killed everyone in sight - presumably women and children included. I get that there's probably no Muslim army in AU/NZ for him to go after, and it does sound like he was more concerned with inciting outrage and pushing things over the edge than he was with solving a problem directly, but if he had a problem with unchecked immigration into his country maybe he would have gone after those responsible for allowing it to happen. Treat the disease, not the symptoms. But again, he was apparently looking to light a fuse, not kill a problem.
 

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Target selection is the differentiator between madman and freedom fighter. As far as I can tell this guy walked into a couple of mosques and killed everyone in sight - presumably women and children included. I get that there's probably no Muslim army in AU/NZ for him to go after, and it does sound like he was more concerned with inciting outrage and pushing things over the edge than he was with solving a problem directly, but if he had a problem with unchecked immigration into his country maybe he would have gone after those responsible for allowing it to happen. Treat the disease, not the symptoms. But again, he was apparently looking to light a fuse, not kill a problem.
lol. Rape of Berlin. This is to the point of target selection. I'm sure that 10THSFD can chime in on freedom fighting from first hand experience. Mine is second hand.
 

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lol. Rape of Berlin. This is to the point of target selection. I'm sure that 10THSFD can chime in on freedom fighting from first hand experience. Mine is second hand.
Sure, but late/post-WWII Berlin under Soviet occupation isn't quite 2019 anywhere. The point's taken though, and 10th's insights are always educational.
 
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Target selection is the differentiator between madman and freedom fighter. As far as I can tell this guy walked into a couple of mosques and killed everyone in sight - presumably women and children included. I get that there's probably no Muslim army in AU/NZ for him to go after, and it does sound like he was more concerned with inciting outrage and pushing things over the edge than he was with solving a problem directly, but if he had a problem with unchecked immigration into his country maybe he would have gone after those responsible for allowing it to happen. Treat the disease, not the symptoms. But again, he was apparently looking to light a fuse, not kill a problem.
Yeah... this guy is just using politics as a veil for being a homicidal douche who wants his 15 minutes like all these other scumbags. Maybe he has loosely held beliefs as he professes, but his choice of target and actions were more in line with what we see in all the other mass shootings.

If he actually believed the shit he spewed I don't see how he would have done something like this which will only further galvanize support for the people he hates.
 

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Target selection is the differentiator between madman and freedom fighter. As far as I can tell this guy walked into a couple of mosques and killed everyone in sight - presumably women and children included. I get that there's probably no Muslim army in AU/NZ for him to go after, and it does sound like he was more concerned with inciting outrage and pushing things over the edge than he was with solving a problem directly, but if he had a problem with unchecked immigration into his country maybe he would have gone after those responsible for allowing it to happen. Treat the disease, not the symptoms. But again, he was apparently looking to light a fuse, not kill a problem.
Fwiw, one of the points he made was if people are coming to your country with the expressed purpose of replacing you and your culture, whats the difference if they arent armed or wearing a uniform? Given a long enough span of time, the result is the same.
 

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Fwiw, one of the points he made was if people are coming to your country with the expressed purpose of replacing you and your culture, whats the difference if they arent armed or wearing a uniform? Given a long enough span of time, the result is the same.
The difference is the instant reaction from the rest of society. He may not have appreciated that, or he may have understood it perfectly well and chose his targets for that purpose.
 

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Sure, but post-WWII Berlin under Soviet occupation isn't quite 2019 anywhere. The point's taken though, and 10th's insights are always educational.
I don't think that times have changed at all from the beginning of times. Again, second hand information, but Chechen war wasn't much different, Donbass wasn't much different. I don't know of any "clean" wars without a**h***s and sadistic maniacs who take advantage of the situation.
 

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"Beyond his white nationalistic views, he claimed to be an environmentalist and said he is a fascist who believes China is the nation that most aligns with his political and social values."

When you see these things together you know the dude was quite wrong in the head, somewhat hysterical type, possibly.
Well, no: that was the part he got 100% correct.

His stated political positions are entirely internally consistent and coherent with the modern: the thing that was wrong was that all of these ideologies - fascism, liberalism, racism, eco-centrism, libertarianism, the 'third way', even most practical forms that people think is 'conservativism' (for instance, utilitarianism) - all share the same fundamental set of errors of philosophy that makes the left-right split ultimately meaningless to talk about. Admittedly, the groups aren't aligned on the periphery (so they can distinguish themselves amongst themselves), but in the central, functional themes, they are, as nihilism and the dialectic of power is the logical conclusion of the soi-disant Enlightenment. He has more in common with the invaders he despises than he could possibly come to see.

There is an alternative.
 
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