Witnesses say many dead, injured in shooting at New Zealand mosque

Way more Christians are being murdered by Muslims world-wide than vice versa.

There was a link about something just last month in Africa?
Yes, I know. Where was the muslim leaders when the peace boys killed 80+ in Nice, or in the UK not one word to condemn
 
I’ll be watching the hypocrisy on display.

All Christians bad, every Christian must renounce this attack, no mention of backlash and so on.

After a muslim attack, what did we do to provoke, fearing backlash, not muslim related.

You know the drill.


The one thing that struck me watching the news last night was how much air time they were giving to all of the Christians and Jews falling all over themselves to find a Muslim to apologize to.

For the life of me I can't remember anything even close to that happening whenever there's some Muslim that runs a bunch of kids over with a truck or shoots up a disco.

The response is usually more like this:

 
Is that supposed to prove anything? He thinks muslims having children is a threat to the environment, and you take that as some form of lefty platform? The guy is literally obsessed with preserving a white homeland for white people, which, to his mind, includes preserving a nice natural environment for white people to enjoy.

How anyone would classify that as anything but far-right is a mystery.


Hmmmm, sounds familiar, Latina twitt from Congress???
 
Why would a Kiwi care to create civil war and division in the US? Makes no sense. IMNSHO this sounds more like radical antifa talk, akin to pre-Civil War John Brown logic, or maybe a whacked out NZ nationalist, either of whom might want to see the US taken down.


It makes perfect sense.

The US has massive cultural and political influence around the world.

If somebody can light off a race war in the US, then it's going to happen in a number of other places as well.

The other component of this is the fact that the US goes around the world FUNDING and "encouraging" if not downright forcing other countries to adhere to left wing policies on such things as immigration, "refugees", abortion, gay rights - etc.

If a civil war was to get lit off in the US and the lefties were all sent off to the camps - all of that shit would stop all around the world.

That's why you see people overseas coming HERE and screwing with our politics.

And that's why I oppose and have opposed for as long as I can remember - all the interventionism that the US govt. has practiced for so long.

Blowback is real.
 

Seems like they're pulling down his manifesto as soon as it pops up - so I haven't found anyplace where I can read it.

If that quote is indicative of the rest of what he wrote - the guy doesn't sound like a lunatic to me. He sounds like John Brown.

John Brown touched off a freaking civil war - in case you didn't remember.
 
Rule of goats.

If you screw a goat, even as a joke, you still screwed a goat.

If you publish a radical manifesto, then go commit mass murder, it doesn't matter if it was a troll job.

I'm not so sure.

If a white nationalist trump supporter shoots a bunch of minorities because he's a white nationalist trump supporter, it's somehow different than if a flaming liberal masquerades as a white nationalist trump supporter and carries out the same act. When people go pull quotes from the nutjob's manifesto, it matters somewhat that the manifesto wasn't serious. I see people pulling quotes out of this thing. I see media headlines based on what the purported manifesto claims were motives. In reality, the whole point was to do something bad to drive a wedge in any crack he can find.
 
It doesn't make sense, but if I was going to hazard a guess this is a nutbag racist type that probably believes that the US is the only country on earth where such a broadly defined "race war" etc, could actually happen, because every other country is already too authoritarian for anything like that to really take
off. We're also the epicenter for media horse shit, so whatever "violence" etc happens is likely to be seen by more of the rest of the world.

-Mike


You need to read up on some history if you think authoritarian is going to stop a race war.

Europe is primed for a race war. The governments are going nutso trying to clamp down on "white nationalism" . There are groups in multiple European countries that are FAR more out and open about their white nationalism - than any group I know of here in the US.

Authoritarianism only keeps the top on the pot for so long. Underneath the anger just rises to a higher temperature - and then blows off in spectacular fashion once the "authorities" can't keep the lid on it any longer.

France is an "authoritarian" country. That hasn't stopped thousands of people from rampaging thru Paris. Venezuela is an authoritarian country - that hasn't stopped all the protesting there either.

Authoritarianism doesn't clamp down on race wars - it STARTS them. Because one race gets all the authority - and then goes after the other races.

And as they say: that is how the fight started.
 
Diversity + Proximity = War

The Reference List:

http://americandigest.org/wp/diversity-proximity-war-the-reference-list/

Globalization and the internet are increasing the proximity of human diversity and consequently increasing mutual animosity as well. “The scholars traced the phenomenon to what they called ‘environmental spoiling.’ The nearer we get to others, the harder it becomes to avoid evidence of their irritating habits. Proximity makes differences stand out.” Link.
Social trust is negatively affected by ethnic diversity, case study in Denmark from 1979 to the present. Link.
Ethnic homogeneity and Protestant traditions positively impact individual and societal levels of social trust. Link.
“In longitudinal perspective, [across European regions], an increase in immigration is related to a decrease in social trust.” Link.
Immigration undermines the moral imperative of those who most favor welfare benefits for the neediest. Link.
The negative effect of community diversity on social cohesion is likely causal. Link.
– In Switzerland, social peace between diverse factions isn’t maintained by integrated coexistence, but rather by strong topographic and political borders that separate groups and allow them autonomy. Link.
“Our analysis supports the hypothesis that violence between groups can be inhibited by both physical and political boundaries.” Link.
Diversity hinders between-group cooperation at both the one-on-one and group levels. Link.
The best chance for peace in Syria is better borders (intrastate or through the creation of new states) “suited to current geocultural regions”, and tribal autonomy. Link.
Using data from US states, study finds a negative relationship between ethnic polarization and trust. Link.



Recent agent-based computer simulations suggest that ethnocentrism, often thought to rely on complex social cognition and learning, may have arisen through biological evolution. From a random start, ethnocentric strategies dominate other possible strategies (selfish, traitorous, and humanitarian) based on cooperation or non-cooperation with in-group and out-group agents. Here we show that ethnocentrism eventually overcomes its closest competitor, humanitarianism, by exploiting humanitarian cooperation across group boundaries as world population saturates. (Link)

A wealthy Virginia county that is rapidly racially diversifying is getting poorer and less socially cohesive. Link.
Gender diversity does not promote nonconformity in decision-making bodies. (But individual ability diversity does.) Link.
High ethnic diversity has a negative effect on innovation, but high “values diversity” has the opposite effect, as long as ethnic diversity is low. The best innovation happens in countries that are ethnically homogenous but diverse in values orientation. Link.
Growing racial diversity in Houston is contributing to declining construction standards and aggravating the impact of natural disasters. Link.
As an explanation of recent voting behavior, ethnic origin trumps class differences. “…the political salience of white ethnicity persists, suggesting that ethnic groups do not simply dealign or politically “assimilate” over time.
 
rest of the list:

Diversity is associated with more White support for nationalist parties, except at the local level where large immigrant populations cut into vote totals for nationalist parties. Link.
In Australia, ethnic diversity lowers social cohesion and increases “hunkering”, providing support for Putnam’s thesis finding the same results in the US. Link.
After controlling for a self-selection bias, study finds that ethnic diversity in English schools reduces trust in same-age people and does not make White British students more inclusive in their attitudes towards immigrants. Link.
In Germany, residential diversity reduces natives’ trust in neighbors, while it also reduces immigrants’ trust but through a different pathway. Link.
Increasing social pluralism (diversity) is correlated with increased chance of collective violence. Link.
“[E]thnic heterogeneity [diversity] explains 55% of the variation in the scale of ethnic conflicts, and the results of regression analysis disclose that the same relationship more or less applies to all 187 countries. … [E]thnic nepotism is the common cross-cultural background factor which supports the persistence of ethnic conflicts in the world as long as there are ethnically divided societies.” Link.
Genetic Similarity Theory (GST) could help explain why diverse groups in close proximity increases ethnic conflict and ethnic nepotism. Link.
Genetic diversity has contributed significantly to frequency of ethnic civil conflict, intensity of social unrest, growth of unshared policy preferences, and economic inequality over the last half-century. Link.
Using social science data and computer modeling, researchers found that policies that attempt to create neighborhoods that are both integrated and socially cohesive are “a lost cause”. Link.
The numbers and the genetic distance matter. Minority groups that get above a certain critical mass, and that are culturally distant from the majority culture, begin to self-segregate from the majority, moving society toward division and away from cooperation. Link.
Using data from Copenhagen school registers, researchers found that native Danes opt out of public schools when the immigrant population concentration hits 35% or more. Link.
In the most liberal region in the US, San Francisco and surrounding suburbs, White parents are pulling their kids out of public schools that are becoming increasingly asian. Link.
School integration (forced proximate Diversity) will not close race achievement gaps. Link.
Exclusionary dating is a natural consequence of racial diversity. Link.
As diversity increases, politics becomes more tribalistic. Link.
Company diversity policies don’t help minorities or women, and they psychologically discriminate against White men. Link.
Greater classroom and neighborhood diversity is linked to stronger tendencies to choose same-ethnic rather than cross-ethnic friends. Link.
A longitudinal test of the impact of diversity finds that it makes existing residents feel unhappier and more socially isolated. Link. (alternate link)
Internal dissension stoked by ethnic, social, political, and religious diversity, rather than environmental degradation, caused the collapse of the urbanized Cahokia Indian Tribe. Link.
The volunteer participation rate in America hit a record low last year, declining 0.4% from the previous year, and has been declining since 2005. Not coincidentally, the racial composition of America has become more fragmented during the same time. Link.
A sense of social cohesion with the people who live around us is as happiness-inducing as love for the place itself. Link.
Our desire for ‘like-minded others’ is hard-wired. Link.
“The Evolutionary Dominance of Ethnocentric Cooperation”






Seems like some of you guys need to start paying closer attention to what's going on out there. It's not 1950 any more.
 
Also, in reading through his manifesto, he claims to be from a lower working class background. Had no interest in school, didnt do well, etc. He seems pretty well spoken though. A few typos, but overall I havent come across much poor grammar or awkwardly worded language. Guess its always possible hes a good-will-hunting type but the way I see it, it doesnt seem like something that was written by someone with his type of background. A bit tin-foily maybe, but thats my observation.


You don't have to go to school to be smart.

If the schools suck - and/or are filling your head with bullshit - the smartest decision you can make is to not be in school.
 
And your case would be wrong. Religous wars been going on a lot longer than the leftists attacks on religion. The leftists didnt emerge until the age of enlightenment, as a response to the religious atrocities that had been raging for centuries (crusades, inquisition, etc). The default setting for the devout is you need to convert or eradicate people that dont believe as you do. For some reason zealotry causes you to hate people that dont believe in your God.


Leftism IS a religion.
 
You don't have to go to school to be smart.

If the schools suck - and/or are filling your head with bullshit - the smartest decision you can make is to not be in school.
Conversely, just because you graduated cum laude from BU with a degree in international relations and economics doesn't mean you're qualified to do anything but tend bar.
 
dude, if you start counting people who are "fuct in brain" by your definition, you'll run out of numbers.

Americans lead sheltered lives and have little idea how much suffering and injustice goes on in the world. More than they could fathom, on daily basis. Us, crazy Europeans, we know what violence is. This thing in NZ, it's weak sauce. If this disturbs you, you are fuct in brain.

You can go on Amazon and buy a t-shirt with a hammer and a sickle, an idea that killed over 100mil people worldwide. But then Americans elect Bernie and AOC. Comrade, it's Americans that are fuct in brain, not the other way around, either directly or indirectly.


Awesome post Boris!
 
Bosnia Accuses Croatia of Plot to Brand It a Terrorist Haven

The security minister, Dragan Mektic, accused Croatia’s intelligence service of trying to coerce a Bosnian citizen into transporting weapons and explosives to a mosque inside Bosnia.

If the weapons were then discovered, Mr. Mektic said in an interview with The New York Times, the cache could be portrayed as part of a terrorist plot.

Top Croatian officials called the allegations groundless, saying they were an effort to damage ties between the two countries.

The dispute comes as Muslim-majority Bosnia has accused Croatia for about a year of interfering in its internal affairs. It has said that Croatia is trying to wrest increased political influence for the Croatian ethnic group in Bosnia. Croatia’s ultimate hope, some in Bosnia have alleged, is the formation of a separate Croatian entity within Bosnia.

Bosnia’s accusations of a plot to tarnish its reputation were first reported on Wednesday by a Bosnian investigative outlet, Zurnal. The publication said that a Bosnian man who lives in the European Union was intercepted when crossing the Croatian border by the country’s Security and Intelligence Agency.

Over time, the agency used the man’s support of groups associated with Salafism, a puritanical strain of Islam, to pressure him to take the weapons and explosives to a mosque in the vicinity of Zenica, a town northwest of Sarajevo. His support of Salifist causes, if known in the European Union country where he lives, would raise alarms.

It is not known when the man was intercepted by the Croats or how far the plot progressed.

The motivation of the Croatian security service, Mr. Mektic said in the interview with The Times, was to present Bosnia as a “country of terrorists and terrorist camps, and a threat to regional security.”

“They dug into his past and blackmailed him into doing this,” Mr. Mektic said. “This citizen was employed in a European Union country, and they threatened to cause problems for him there.”

More than a year ago, the Croatian president, Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic, caused outrage in Bosnia and Herzegovina by claiming that “several thousand terrorists” would be returning there after the fall of the Islamic State’s self-declared caliphate.

People in Bosnia believed they were being scapegoated because of their religion.

Local news outlets have reported that at least 200 men and around 70 women left Bosnia and Herzegovina for the Islamic State-controlled territory in Syria and Iraq.
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[rolleyes]

And we were convinced our bombing delivered peace & happiness to Balkans.
 
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Fwiw, one of the points he made was if people are coming to your country with the expressed purpose of replacing you and your culture, whats the difference if they arent armed or wearing a uniform? Given a long enough span of time, the result is the same.

They're not just coming, they're being imported by our politicians with the express purpose of replacing us with people who will put them back in power so that they can continue to implement their commie agenda.
 
Seems like they're pulling down his manifesto as soon as it pops up - so I haven't found anyplace where I can read it.

If that quote is indicative of the rest of what he wrote - the guy doesn't sound like a lunatic to me. He sounds like John Brown.

John Brown touched off a freaking civil war - in case you didn't remember.

And Gavrilo Princip, Serb from Bosnia (BALKANS), touched off WWI.! Gavrilo Princip - Wikipedia
 
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The NZ prime minister has already announced gun laws will change.

I guess they feel they are not yet helpless enough to be safe.

We did not care about NZ, did we? Now we know!

They are ahead of us. They already elected their AOC in the highest post possible!

And the scenario will be always the same:
Forget about incapable police! Forget about poor security! Let's go after GUNZS and let's go after knives, pitchforks, sticks, stones......
 
“49 people were shot to death at two mosques in the city of Christchurch” - 41 at Al Noor mosque and 7 at Linwood mosque. (Seems to be +/- 1 death in the media)

In the research world, this is what might be a called an Internally Controlled Study:
Fixed Factors:
1. Same killer
2. Same day
3. Same Target Profile
Varied Factor:
1. Defensive Use of Guns

At Al Noor, only the attacker used guns; at Linwood, the attacker *and* a defender used guns
At Al Noor, the killer shot until he decided to move to the 2nd target; at Linwood the killer shot until someone shot back and he retreated.

Logical Conclusion: Defensive Use of Guns reduced mass shooting deaths by ~6-fold; supports facilitating DUGs by funding, policy & law.
NZ Gov’t & Liberal Media Conclusion: Guns killed 48 people; more guns laws are needed to hinder Defensive Use of Guns

Soft Targets (churches, synagogues, mosques, schools) are acquiring armed security at a rapidly increasing rate.
Non-targets (Left Gov’t, Liberal Media, Gun Control Advocates & Social Media “Friends”) are demanding, devising and passing laws to hinder Defensive Use of Guns.

“Gun Control” has devolved to a “Faith” or “Belief” that cannot be proven/disproven by evidence and observations.
 
Diversity + Proximity = War

The Reference List:
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rest of the list:
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Seems like some of you guys need to start paying closer attention to what's going on out there. It's not 1950 any more.
You sir are a well-informed heretic, of the good kind.

Human nature is human nature.
 
We should keep wondering about 30 minutes police response time. Shooter's activity was supposedly over in 20 minutes.

What a great point for CC!


This is what I kept wondering as I watched the video. Where the hell are the cops? Even the people outside the mosque seemed to be going about their lives while the shooting was going on.
 
“49 people were shot to death at two mosques in the city of Christchurch” - 41 at Al Noor mosque and 7 at Linwood mosque. (Seems to be +/- 1 death in the media)

In the research world, this is what might be a called an Internally Controlled Study:
Fixed Factors:
1. Same killer
2. Same day
3. Same Target Profile
Varied Factor:
1. Defensive Use of Guns

At Al Noor, only the attacker used guns; at Linwood, the attacker *and* a defender used guns
At Al Noor, the killer shot until he decided to move to the 2nd target; at Linwood the killer shot until someone shot back and he retreated.

Logical Conclusion: Defensive Use of Guns reduced mass shooting deaths by ~6-fold; supports facilitating DUGs by funding, policy & law.
NZ Gov’t & Liberal Media Conclusion: Guns killed 48 people; more guns laws are needed to hinder Defensive Use of Guns

Soft Targets (churches, synagogues, mosques, schools) are acquiring armed security at a rapidly increasing rate.
Non-targets (Left Gov’t, Liberal Media, Gun Control Advocates & Social Media “Friends”) are demanding, devising and passing laws to hinder Defensive Use of Guns.

“Gun Control” has devolved to a “Faith” or “Belief” that cannot be proven/disproven by evidence and observations.

The Prog (and Donks are Progs) endgame goal is total control. Not harm-reduction, not fewer mass casualty incidents (or less deadly ones), but control.

With that in mind, advocating policy that will (a) expand that control while simultaneously (b) increasing, not decreasing, the likelihood/deadliness of an incident, makes perfect sense.

(Understanding that goal goes a long way in understanding otherwise inexplicable things such as the Donks' 180 on immigration, or their embracing/protecting/promoting Islam, which is about as UNliberal a religion/philosophy/... as you can find.)
 
I'm not so sure.

If a white nationalist trump supporter shoots a bunch of minorities because he's a white nationalist trump supporter, it's somehow different than if a flaming liberal masquerades as a white nationalist trump supporter and carries out the same act. When people go pull quotes from the nutjob's manifesto, it matters somewhat that the manifesto wasn't serious. I see people pulling quotes out of this thing. I see media headlines based on what the purported manifesto claims were motives. In reality, the whole point was to do something bad to drive a wedge in any crack he can find.

Sure, but shitposting is a staple of alt-right radicals. 8chan and 4chan are basically one big "It's just a joke, except when we mean it" hive of radical nihilism.
 
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