Witnesses say many dead, injured in shooting at New Zealand mosque

[10thSFFD]

If Texas goes blue its either complete socialism in the US for the rest of our lives or bad things happen to correct it.

I have learned the hard way that life is all about surviving. You can go for heroism, but heroes die first. Life is to short to waste it on socialism or go time.

 

[LoginName]

Jacinda is barking at the gun owners instead of explaining 30 minutes police response time. One more good reason for CC!

Is this a normal NZ accent, or does she have some sort of speech impediment?

 

[10thSFFD]

Is this a normal NZ accent, or does she have some sort of speech impediment?

That is a typical socialist progressive accent

Jacinda Ardern - Wikipedia
She later worked in the United Kingdom as a policy advisor to British Prime Minister Tony Blair. In 2008, she was elected President of the International Union of Socialist Youth.Ideologically, Ardern describes herself as both a social democrat and a progressive. She is the world's youngest female head of government, having taken office at age 37.

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/971565196727611397
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Mental note: World is full of AOCs already!

 

[Matt-CZ]

Sounds like the "manifesto" is a shitposting troll job intended to bait everyone:
New Zealand Shooter & Christchurch Mosques: Mass Murderer Is an Online Troll | National Review
The Christchurch Shooter's Manifesto Is Meant to Troll - The Atlantic

Also - this basically ups the game on media inspiring more and more attacks, the "slow moving riot" theory, etc.:
New Zealand Shooter — Did He Change the Cultural Script by Livestreaming? | National Review

Rule of goats.

If you screw a goat, even as a joke, you still screwed a goat.

If you publish a radical manifesto, then go commit mass murder, it doesn't matter if it was a troll job.

 

[Boris]

Is this a normal NZ accent, or does she have some sort of speech impediment?

it's a brain impediment or lack thereof

 

[Boris]

I think psychopath is the correct term. And as you say, being a psychopath doesn't mean someone is necessarily irrational or "crazy".

a psychopath does not understand pain of other humans. In this case, one of the motives that pushed him over was the death of a deaf little girl who died in a muslim attack in Nice. I don't know how to reconcile that.

 

[LoginName]

Standard. But, it is like asking if a 'southie accent' is really a Boston accent.

The sign language guy is probably winging it, like 'I can't understand her anymore than people who can hear do, but I'll give it shot
anyways'.

 

[10thSFFD]

Rule of goats.

If you screw a goat, even as a joke, you still screwed a goat.

If you publish a radical manifesto, then go commit mass murder, it doesn't matter if it was a troll job.

Goats, Matt? Really? Now?
By the way, is yoga with goats a liberal equivalent to massaging orchids?

 

[hminsky]

In an article in nytimes, this struck me as really weird:

Australia’s main public broadcaster reported that the Facebook user worked as a personal trainer at a gym in the city of Grafton after finishing school in 2009 until 2011, when he left to travel overseas. Where exactly his travels took him was not immediately known, but the manifesto’s author wrote that he explored much of Europe in the spring of 2017.


And a man using the same name visited the Gilgit-Baltistan administrative territory of Pakistan in October, people at two hotels there confirmed.

Asghar Khan, the manager of operations at the Serena Hotel there, said the man seemed like a “nature-loving” traveler. Syed Israr Hussain, owner of the nearby Osho Thang hotel, said he stayed there for two or three days with a group of backpackers.

“He was normal and polite during his stay,” Mr. Hussain said. “There was nothing out of the ordinary.”
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Why would a racist white supremacist from NZ be visiting Pakistan? This is just weird. I am usually allergic to conspiracy theories ,
is this some kind of Islamic Manchurian Candidate thing?

 

[Brewer]

If you screw a goat, even as a joke, you still screwed a goat.

"I said 'go time,' Matt. GO TIME. Did my accent confuse you?"

 

[DJBrad]

a psychopath does not understand pain of other humans. In this case, one of the motives that pushed him over was the death of a deaf little girl who died in a muslim attack in Nice. I don't know how to reconcile that.

Filter a certain kind of evil in the world and it may cause you to react severely.

 

[10thSFFD]

In an article in nytimes, this struck me as really weird:

Australia’s main public broadcaster reported that the Facebook user worked as a personal trainer at a gym in the city of Grafton after finishing school in 2009 until 2011, when he left to travel overseas. Where exactly his travels took him was not immediately known, but the manifesto’s author wrote that he explored much of Europe in the spring of 2017.


And a man using the same name visited the Gilgit-Baltistan administrative territory of Pakistan in October, people at two hotels there confirmed.

Asghar Khan, the manager of operations at the Serena Hotel there, said the man seemed like a “nature-loving” traveler. Syed Israr Hussain, owner of the nearby Osho Thang hotel, said he stayed there for two or three days with a group of backpackers.

“He was normal and polite during his stay,” Mr. Hussain said. “There was nothing out of the ordinary.”
​

Why would a racist white supremacist from NZ be visiting Pakistan? This is just weird. I am usually allergic to conspiracy theories ,
is this some kind of Islamic Manchurian Candidate thing?

Bitcoin traveling man:
What we know about accused Christchurch mosque gunman Brenton Tarrant
Tarrant said he worked for a short time before making some money from Bitconnect, a cryptocurrency like Bitcoin, then used the money to fund his travels.

He is known to have visited Europe, South-East Asia and east Asia.

His travels also took him to North Korea, where he was photographed in a tour group visiting the Samjiyon Grand Monument.
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He went to Pakistan, North Korea and Bulgaria.
Do you hear the March Of Computer Hard Drives now?

 

[10thSFFD]

a psychopath does not understand pain of other humans. In this case, one of the motives that pushed him over was the death of a deaf little girl who died in a muslim attack in Nice. I don't know how to reconcile that.

Five surprising things I learned about psychopaths | Features | Critic Te Arohi
Psychopaths make tough, utilitarian decisions faster and with less anxiety than regular people. They are also much happier to put themselves in danger or high-risk situations than ordinary people.

If a psychopath knew there was someone inside a burning building, their extraordinary presence of mind may cause them to go “why the f*** not?” and run inside to save them. They may genuinely want to save the person, or they may do it for kicks, or for the praise they will get. Who cares?

Some top SAS soldiers are psychopaths. So are some very good bomb deactivators. Kevin Dutton thinks that Neil Armstrong was perhaps one, judging by his incredible cool while landing on the moon with just a few seconds’ worth of fuel remaining. He says for a psychopath, heroic feats are not so much about keeping your head in the heat of the moment as not feeling the heat at all.

But, of course, the lack of anxiety when it comes to the preservation of human life also means psychopaths can make the most terrifying, cold-hearted killers. Psychopaths are simultaneously appealing and appalling. This is what makes them so fascinating. But be warned, because ...

 

[oppressed]

Notice the media focus on 8chan. The guy posted the guns he used on twitter 2 days prior and live streamed it on facegook, but watch the coverage. No call to deplatform those sites.

8chan is where people autistically dig and post about things people would like to leave hidden and unnoticed.

Look for the attack on free speech hosting platforms like gab. Pay attention and watch the narrative.

Strange this guy would choose to spend time surrounded by people he hated, if the tales of his travel are true.

Edit: You may as well dismiss any quotes lifted from 8ch. The whole idea is to remain anonymous. People shitpost with impunity, so know where the bias lies when reading articles describing or quoting it.

 

[Nick Fury]

I watched the video. I read the manifesto. Something that stuck out was his experience in France. Personally when I see things like the Copenhagen rape and spitting/attacking woman with children in subway videos I feel ill to my core. When I see videos of people of middle eastern decent treating non muslims with such disdain wondering if they could actually channel and focus such rage what would they be capable of? Maybe the Charlie Hebdo attack, the Manchester concert bombing, or holy hell how about this one?

View: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-34818994

So yeah this guy found his go time. Clearly many of us here need to reassess what that term really means. As 10thSFFD points out so eloquently this is not the place anyone wants to be...

 

[10thSFFD]

Massacre suspect Brenton Tarrant was gun club member, dedicated to fitness training
The prime minister also confirmed the man arrested had a firearms licence that he obtained in November 2017. He began buying firearms the following month.

The gunman was found with five firearms, including two shotguns and two semi-automatic, military-style rifles.

"My advice currently is under that gun licence he was able to legally buy the guns that he held."

Tarrant is one of three people arrested in relation to the attacks.

Ardern said none of the group had criminal histories and were not on the radars of security intelligence.

Tarrant didn't hide his enthusiasm for guns and practised shooting at a South Otago rifle club, about 50km south of Dunedin.

A spokesman for the Bruce Rifle Club, near Milton, confirmed Tarrant was a club member.

 

[DJBrad]

Call him a lunatic, psychopath, or sociopath but he is possessed by an evil spirit.

I watched the video. I read the manifesto. Something that stuck out was his experience in France. Personally when I see things like the Copenhagen rape and spitting/attacking woman with children in subway videos I feel ill to my core. When I see videos of people of middle eastern decent treating non muslims with such disdain wondering if they could actually channel and focus such rage what would they be capable of? Maybe the Charlie Hebdo attack, the Manchester concert bombing, or holy hell how about this one?

View: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-34818994

So yeah this guy found his go time. Clearly many of us here need to reassess what that term really means. As 10thSFFD points out so eloquently this is not the place anyone wants to be...

I wonder if they ever described those attackers in Nice as “Muslim extremists” or just “terrorists”. I think the latter and of course that attack is probably all but forgotten. Notice how the NZ story paints him as a “White supremecist” and not a “terrorist”.

 

[xtry51]

In an article in nytimes, this struck me as really weird:

Australia’s main public broadcaster reported that the Facebook user worked as a personal trainer at a gym in the city of Grafton after finishing school in 2009 until 2011, when he left to travel overseas. Where exactly his travels took him was not immediately known, but the manifesto’s author wrote that he explored much of Europe in the spring of 2017.


And a man using the same name visited the Gilgit-Baltistan administrative territory of Pakistan in October, people at two hotels there confirmed.

Asghar Khan, the manager of operations at the Serena Hotel there, said the man seemed like a “nature-loving” traveler. Syed Israr Hussain, owner of the nearby Osho Thang hotel, said he stayed there for two or three days with a group of backpackers.

“He was normal and polite during his stay,” Mr. Hussain said. “There was nothing out of the ordinary.”
​

Why would a racist white supremacist from NZ be visiting Pakistan? This is just weird. I am usually allergic to conspiracy theories ,
is this some kind of Islamic Manchurian Candidate thing?

If you read his manifesto he clearly explains that he traveled Europe and middle east extensively after making a lot of money on the digital currency boom.

 

[Waher]

How does one visit Pakistan and North Korea while paying for it in BitCoin and not arouse the interest of security services? This monster happen to cross paths with the Mandalay Bay clown in his travels?

 

[Squire]

If you read his manifesto he clearly explains that he traveled Europe and middle east extensively after making a lot of money on the digital currency boom.

Ban Crypto, only criminals benefit....

 

[oppressed]

I saw it posted somewhere about the drum mag in one of the pictures. It was claimed to be made in USA and under ITAR regulation, yet in NZ? Can anyone identify it and provide knowledge?

 

[Nick Leduc]

It should be mentioned that /r/watchpeopledie and /r/gore have been removed from reddit because of this. Some people say "good, no one should be able to see things like that". But it's another step towards liberal censorship.
Those subs were know for ISIS killing videos (ISIS doing the killing) Never an issue when those were the content.

 

[mibro]

Watch the video. Could not disagree more. The absolute definition of nut job. Nobody who is even remotely sane in the sense that I understand the word could ever contemplate this.

You're using a modern definition of sanity. Until, oh, maybe even as little as a hundred years ago the whole world thought like Brenton Tarrant.

Humanity seems to be at the beginning of some kind of transition from nation states to a planetary civilization. When I was a kid reading science fiction this seemed like a cool idea, now all I see is a loss of cultural identity for my descendants and submersion into a majority Islamic global gene pool.

It's very obvious to us that mass murder is not the answer to anything. However, Charles Martel and Jan III Sobieski, commemorated on Tarrant's drum magazine as "Vienna 1683," saw things differently.

 

[rcwhat]

I saw it posted somewhere about the drum mag in one of the pictures. It was claimed to be made in USA and under ITAR regulation, yet in NZ? Can anyone identify it and provide knowledge?

Looks like a magpul drum mag but don’t know the regulations

 

[mibro]

I have warned you many times about "go time". Go time in my lifetime always resulted in brutal killings of your own people. I do not mean your neighbors. I mean your own family. In former Yugoslavia fathers were leaving their sleeping family so they can attack their own village in the morning. This is the fact. You may not like it, you may dispute it, but that is what eventually go time leads to. You are not dying on the pile of brass, you are witnessing a horror which will change you forever. This is why go time should never be any option.

Any hypothetical armed conflict in New England would result in NESrs on opposite sides, shooting at each other. There would be no clear battle lines, it would be exactly like Yugoslavia. Also to your point, I would probably be on the opposite side to my moonbat wife. That would be completely horrific, which is the point you're making. I hope we can avoid it.

 

[fivepak]

I just watched the whole video. Not much gore, but disturbing nonetheless. In the mosque near the end where the terrorist moved off to the right in the big room, it looked like a woman sitting on a bench holding a child about 8 years old. The woman on the street was the worse one. The final shot looked to send a small piece of head and hair flying.
I can't believe how calm this murderer was.

 

[BrianWilson]

All this cowardly lunatic achieved was to increase the political currency of those he considered the invaders, and cause of loss of freedom and ease of access to defensive tools for the rest of the world, including most likely you, and me. Not such an awesome use of his "Go Time". Sorry, ...nut job, and not a very smart one at that.

 

[calsdad]

This all just seems way too convenient. I'm not one to typically have tinfoil for breakfast, but given the left and MSM's recent narrative, this really seems way too convenient for them....

Funny - just the other day the thought passed thru my head: " we haven't seen a mass shooting in a while - it would be very convenient for one to happen right about now , seeing as how all the lefties are yelling and screaming for more gun control".

Seems like they're throwing the whole white supremacy / white nationalism thing in there for good measure. The a-hole on ABC Evening News last night started beating that drum will the hyperbolic statements about "drastic increase in white nationalist hate crimes"

 

[Chevy 2 65]

Funny - just the other day the thought passed thru my head: " we haven't seen a mass shooting in a while - it would be very convenient for one to happen right about now , seeing as how all the lefties are yelling and screaming for more gun control".

Seems like they're throwing the whole white supremacy / white nationalism thing in there for good measure. The a-hole on ABC Evening News last night started beating that drum will the hyperbolic statements about "drastic increase in white nationalist hate crimes"

All the media is saying that. ALL of them.

 

[calsdad]

I see what you are saying, but I'm not even talking about the fear of the media quoting Uzi2 and saying "see, see..... there is hate everywhere".
I'm thinking more along the lines of "shit, somehow, some way, some local whack job is going to succeed in taking more of my freedoms away based on this event. History repeats itself. I'm not so much of a bleeding heart for the victims, more so worried about the event itself on a whole.
I'm more worried about seeing the headlines of "Australian Man was able to get huge stockpile of Assault Rifles, Hi Capacity Magazines, and Ammunition even though his local laws are so strict"

And then some local a-hole thinking "well, MA needs a complete ban, and then we need a complete ban in ME, NE, VT,NY, CT and RI in order to keep us safe".

The gun laws are one thing to fear , but if you remember your history - they put the 1st amendment FIRST for a reason. The 2nd was supposed to be there to defend liberty - which is defined by having the right to speak your mind - even if other people ESPECIALLY those in charge ........ don't like it.

What's doing on here - if you noticed: is that that yes - they're looking for an excuse to ban guns. But they've got a new angle to that effort - because they're trying to say guns are a component of "white supremacy" or some such thing. If you remember - Obama made his famous comments about "clinging to guns and Bibles". While he filled the country up with third worlders.

Go look at some of the statistics about the makeup of this country now - vs. 50 years ago.

It's exactly why there's more and more people using "white nationalist" or "white supremacist" talking points.

Gun control at stage of the game is just one facet of a larger issue.