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Witnesses say many dead, injured in shooting at New Zealand mosque

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Reptile, Mar 14, 2019 at 10:32 PM.

  1. PeterC

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    Sorry don’t agree. While I believe his choice of action was extreme, I believe his reasoning is spot on. People around here talk a lot about go time and what the breaking point is. This guy reached his go time and chose his response to what he perceived as the breaking point. Not implying that what he did would be the proper response for anyone here when/if that time comes to our doorstep but don’t tell me go time will be a fair fight. When shit jumps off it’s going to be ugly.
     
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    Amen brother. Well said.
     
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    My wife and I had this talk today. She thinks he is insane. I disagree. If you read his words, he seems to know why he is doing what he is doing, what will happen because of his actions (death), and that there will be punishment. That goes against the definition of insanity. Clear thoughts, but evil thoughts. But spot on about "go time" reasoning.
     
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    He should have just continued to vote and maybe wrote a letter to his "Representative". [thinking]

    Fwiw, this one guy doing what he did will in the big scheme of things accomplish nothing and in the short term make things worse for his people, but he reached his breaking point, decided it was his GoTime⌐ and took action.
     
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    Boris pointed out that we are protected from the outside world. I would dare to say that we are also very ignorant and we refuse to understand that we do not know, and in many cases we were, and we will be wrong. We have bombed Serbia in order to create Bosnia. We have bombed Afghanistan in order to bring Taliban back to power. Does anybody here even care about this? Do you think there are no casualties attached to such decisions? We were not dropping water balloons either!

    I have warned you many times about "go time". Go time in my lifetime always resulted in brutal killings of your own people. I do not mean your neighbors. I mean your own family. In former Yugoslavia fathers were leaving their sleeping family so they can attack their own village in the morning. This is the fact. You may not like it, you may dispute it, but that is what eventually go time leads to. You are not dying on the pile of brass, you are witnessing a horror which will change you forever. This is why go time should never be any option.
     
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    Agreed. While his words may be unoriginal and as some more tuned in people refer to as purposely written to impress others who populate his environment, I definitely find them to be not the words of a raving lunatic. At least not in the technical sense. He knew exactly what he was doing and why.
     
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    More sociopathic, than outright lunatic.
     
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    Prosecutors in Bulgaria have launched a probe into a recent visit by the suspected gunman in the Christchurch attacks. The suspect visited the Balkan country last year in November and he claimed to want to visit historical sites, Bulgaria's public prosecutor, Sotir Tsatsarov, said. The investigation will try to determine "if he had other objectives."
     
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    I’m sure there is a proper term for him that someone way smarter than me can label him with. He might be “technically” something but totally wrong isn’t it.
     
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    Jacinda is barking at the gun owners instead of explaining 30 minutes police response time. One more good reason for CC!
     
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    Christchurch Attacks: Why Are The Names Of A Georgian King And A Ukrainian Extremist Written On The Guns?

    One of the two Georgian names is a king known to nearly all Georgian schoolchildren: David IV, or David the Builder. Formally known as Davit Aghmashenebeli in Georgian, he was ruler of the Christian kingdom in the 12th century when it was attacked by the armies of the Seljuk Empire, an empire of various Muslim communities that, at its height, stretched from the Aegean Sea to what is today northern Afghanistan.

    At the Battle of Didgori, the Georgian army defeated much larger Seljuk forces in 1121, and led the way for Georgia to expand its own kingdom between the Caspian and Black seas. The victory is called "miraculous" in Georgian, and its literature and culture is littered with references to the event.

    The second name was David Soslan, who was a military leader and husband of the Georgian queen at the time, Tamar. He played a key role in leading Georgian forces in battles several decades later, against Islamic forces at Shamkor -- in what is today's Azerbaijan -- and Basian- in what is today's Turkey.

    David Soslan is not nearly so well known in Georgian culture, possibly because he wasn't considered as royal as his wife, but also because, according to some sources, he was ethnically Ossetian, another ethnic group living in close proximity to Georgia and Russia.

    One other obscure name scrawled on Tarrant's guns also caught the attention of online observers trying to figure out his motivations: the name of Pavlo Serhiyovych.

    Formally known as Pavlo Lapshyn, he hailed from the Ukrainian city of Dnipro, and traveled to England in early 2013 on a temporary work visa, according to a report in the online publication Open Democracy.

    Five days after arriving, he stabbed an 82-year-old man named Muhammad Saleem to death as he walked home in Birmingham. Lapshyn later confessed to the crime, telling investigators he killed Saleem because he hated "non-whites."

    He also admitted planting bombs at mosques in three towns in central England.

    He was sentenced to 40 years in prison in October 2013.

    Many more of the names written on Tarrant's guns focus on the history of the Balkans, and conflict, past and present, between Christian and Muslims there.

    That includes the legendary Serbian knight Milos Obilic and Serbian Prince Lazar Hrebeljanovic, who both fought against the Ottoman Turks at the Battle of Kosovo in 1389.
     
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    He is both rational and amoral. If the manifesto is an example of manipulation and the shooting itself evidence of a lack of empathy, he is possibly a psychopath.
     
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    Erdogan condemns 'scum' mosque attacker and says Islamophobia 'taking over West like cancer' | Daily Mail Online

    Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said bigotry in Western countries contributed to the attacks on Muslims in New Zealand.

    In a tweet on Friday, he also criticized the West for 'defending demonization of Muslims as `freedom of expression.''

    Afghanistan's Taliban movement - Islamic militants who carry out near-daily attacks on Afghan security forces - also condemned the shooting rampage, labeling it an 'unforgivable crime.'

    Taliban spokesman Qari Mohammad Yusuf called on the New Zealand government to investigate 'the root cause of such terrorism and hand a hefty punishment to the attackers.'
    Lebanon's Hezbollah militant group, which is considered a terrorist organization by Western countries, condemned the 'policy of hatred that the United States is feeding around the world instead of prevailing religious values that call for forgiveness.'
     
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    If Texas goes blue its either complete socialism in the US for the rest of our lives or bad things happen to correct it.
     
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    I think psychopath is the correct term. And as you say, being a psychopath doesn't mean someone is necessarily irrational or "crazy".
     
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    I have learned the hard way that life is all about surviving. You can go for heroism, but heroes die first. Life is to short to waste it on socialism or go time.
     
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    Is this a normal NZ accent, or does she have some sort of speech impediment?

     
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    That is a typical socialist progressive accent [wave]

    Jacinda Ardern - Wikipedia
    She later worked in the United Kingdom as a policy advisor to British Prime Minister Tony Blair. In 2008, she was elected President of the International Union of Socialist Youth.Ideologically, Ardern describes herself as both a social democrat and a progressive. She is the world's youngest female head of government, having taken office at age 37.

    View: https://twitter.com/i/status/971565196727611397
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    Mental note: World is full of AOCs already!
     
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    Rule of goats.

    If you screw a goat, even as a joke, you still screwed a goat.

    If you publish a radical manifesto, then go commit mass murder, it doesn't matter if it was a troll job.
     
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    it's a brain impediment or lack thereof
     
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    a psychopath does not understand pain of other humans. In this case, one of the motives that pushed him over was the death of a deaf little girl who died in a muslim attack in Nice. I don't know how to reconcile that.
     
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    The sign language guy is probably winging it, like 'I can't understand her anymore than people who can hear do, but I'll give it shot
    anyways'.
     
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    Goats, Matt? [rolleyes] Really? Now?
    By the way, is yoga with goats a liberal equivalent to massaging orchids?
    goat.jpg
     
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    In an article in nytimes, this struck me as really weird:

    Australia’s main public broadcaster reported that the Facebook user worked as a personal trainer at a gym in the city of Grafton after finishing school in 2009 until 2011, when he left to travel overseas. Where exactly his travels took him was not immediately known, but the manifesto’s author wrote that he explored much of Europe in the spring of 2017.


    And a man using the same name visited the Gilgit-Baltistan administrative territory of Pakistan in October, people at two hotels there confirmed.

    Asghar Khan, the manager of operations at the Serena Hotel there, said the man seemed like a “nature-loving” traveler. Syed Israr Hussain, owner of the nearby Osho Thang hotel, said he stayed there for two or three days with a group of backpackers.

    “He was normal and polite during his stay,” Mr. Hussain said. “There was nothing out of the ordinary.”
    Why would a racist white supremacist from NZ be visiting Pakistan? This is just weird. I am usually allergic to conspiracy theories ,
    is this some kind of Islamic Manchurian Candidate thing?
     
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    "I said 'go time,' Matt. GO TIME. Did my accent confuse you?"
     
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    Filter a certain kind of evil in the world and it may cause you to react severely.
     
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    Bitcoin traveling man:
    What we know about accused Christchurch mosque gunman Brenton Tarrant
    Tarrant said he worked for a short time before making some money from Bitconnect, a cryptocurrency like Bitcoin, then used the money to fund his travels.

    He is known to have visited Europe, South-East Asia and east Asia.

    His travels also took him to North Korea, where he was photographed in a tour group visiting the Samjiyon Grand Monument.
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    He went to Pakistan, North Korea and Bulgaria.[rolleyes]
    Do you hear the March Of Computer Hard Drives now?
     

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