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Now that 7 is done, I feel the need to upgrade to 10, when I go look online there is prices from 15 bucks to 139. What the heck!? I did notice one for 15 at NewEgg and after look at the specs. I saw the langue was Arabic.

Anyone do this and what should I look for? Home, Pro. I just use it at home, nothing special.
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I just did a 7Pro to 10 in-place upgrade today. Went fine, and M$ license server gave it one. No $ spent. Haven't tried 7Home in awhile.
 

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Upgrade appears to be free for most still. The prices you are seeing are probable new install prices. Some are OEM discs meant for builders, which I still haven't figured out how they get away selling to end consumers. Box retail is the higher priced versions. Here is a link to an article about upgrading:


Honestly though, I prefer Win 7, at least for work. I'm just going to be really careful about what I do online with it.
 
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You can try the "free upgrade"; I guess it works for some people. It did not work for me. And, there was nothing weird about my original PC that would make me doubt the ability to upgrade... it was a Lenovo desktop bought from Best Buy with Windows 7 preinstalled and the official stickers on the side. But, the upgrade refused to activate. Worse yet, there was stuff wrong that wasn't going to work in Windows 10. So, I just bought a new PC with Windows 10.

But normally, Windows 10 Home is $140, and Pro is $200. If you get Home, the only things you will be missing are:
- Bit locker.
- Ability to connect INTO the PC via RDC. (You can still get out using RDC just fine.)

which is fine by me. I can connect into my PC using the free Team Viewer; works great. And, I don't fully trust Microsoft's encryption so I'm not too eager to use Bit locker. (Yes, it'll work fine for protecting you from criminals who steal your PC, or the local police who confiscate your PC during an investigation. But, I don't trust it for NSA or CIA-level of investigation. But, if a 3 letter agency is after you, you're screwed anyway.)

I don't fully understand the lesser prices either. That would leave me suspicious. If some local shop that you trust is selling out OEM copies for less, great. But, I'm not buying that stuff online just to save a few bucks.
 

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This works, but puts you out of licensing compliance. This free upgrade technically expired awhile ago.
If it's activated, who cares? If it ever got deactivated, you can just get another key on Ebay for like 10 bucks or whatever they sell for.
 

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Upgrade appears to be free for most still. The prices you are seeing are probable new install prices. Some are OEM discs meant for builders, which I still haven't figured out how they get away selling to end consumers. Box retail is the higher priced versions. Here is a link to an article about upgrading:


Honestly though, I prefer Win 7, at least for work. I'm just going to be really careful about what I do online with it.
What websites you go to doesn't matter that much from a security standpoint. If you have a single Win7 machine on a corporate network that thing could very well be leveraged against you in many different kinds of attacks, not just browser attacks. NoScript and uBlock origin will protect you very well against browser attacks. Win10 is really easy to use, I never got people's disdain for it. I press the Windows key and type in the search box what I want to do. EZ PZ.
 

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You can try the "free upgrade"; I guess it works for some people. It did not work for me. And, there was nothing weird about my original PC that would make me doubt the ability to upgrade... it was a Lenovo desktop bought from Best Buy with Windows 7 preinstalled and the official stickers on the side. But, the upgrade refused to activate. Worse yet, there was stuff wrong that wasn't going to work in Windows 10. So, I just bought a new PC with Windows 10.

But normally, Windows 10 Home is $140, and Pro is $200. If you get Home, the only things you will be missing are:
- Bit locker.
- Ability to connect INTO the PC via RDC. (You can still get out using RDC just fine.)

which is fine by me. I can connect into my PC using the free Team Viewer; works great. And, I don't fully trust Microsoft's encryption so I'm not too eager to use Bit locker. (Yes, it'll work fine for protecting you from criminals who steal your PC, or the local police who confiscate your PC during an investigation. But, I don't trust it for NSA or CIA-level of investigation. But, if a 3 letter agency is after you, you're screwed anyway.)

I don't fully understand the lesser prices either. That would leave me suspicious. If some local shop that you trust is selling out OEM copies for less, great. But, I'm not buying that stuff online just to save a few bucks.
Also cannot connect Win10 home to a domain controller.
 

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If you bought a pc that originally came with win8 and you downgraded to win7... the win8 key is usually hard coded into the pc bios, win8 keys will work for win10.
10 will install, read the key and activate no problem.
I've done this on an HP laptop, and 2 Lenovo pcs so far. All 3 I downgraded to win7 from 8, cleared off the hard drive and did a clean 10 install. No problem.
 
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What websites you go to doesn't matter that much from a security standpoint. If you have a single Win7 machine on a corporate network that thing could very well be leveraged against you in many different kinds of attacks, not just browser attacks. NoScript and uBlock origin will protect you very well against browser attacks. Win10 is really easy to use, I never got people's disdain for it. I press the Windows key and type in the search box what I want to do. EZ PZ.
While I wanted to hate Windows 10, I got used to it easily enough. It's mainly just that stupid Start menu with all the tiles. But, that is easy to mostly fix... just remove all the tiles (I had not a single use for any of them -- all useless garbage), then you can actually resize the gigantic now blank panel that comes up to a much smaller one, so it only shows just the menu items. The stuff I access frequently is all in the task bar, just like it was in Windows 7. The occasional time I need to go to something else that is only in the Start menu (and that's rare for my home use, only something I do at work), I usually find it faster to start typing it's name in the search box. Scrolling through the Start menu is rather an unpleasant experience and I have trouble seeing what I want for some reason.

For privacy issues, create a local account; don't use the Microsoft Live (or whatever they call it now) account. There are a bunch of privacy-related options; turn them off, including Katana.
 

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While I wanted to hate Windows 10, I got used to it easily enough. It's mainly just that stupid Start menu with all the tiles. But, that is easy to mostly fix... just remove all the tiles (I had not a single use for any of them -- all useless garbage), then you can actually resize the gigantic now blank panel that comes up to a much smaller one, so it only shows just the menu items. The stuff I access frequently is all in the task bar, just like it was in Windows 7. The occasional time I need to go to something else that is only in the Start menu (and that's rare for my home use, only something I do at work), I usually find it faster to start typing it's name in the search box. Scrolling through the Start menu is rather an unpleasant experience and I have trouble seeing what I want for some reason.

For privacy issues, create a local account; don't use the Microsoft Live (or whatever they call it now) account. There are a bunch of privacy-related options; turn them off, including Katana.
If you really hate the clutter, you can always use this: Sycnex/Windows10Debloater

Or you could get your hands on a copy of Win 10 Enterprise LTSC
 

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While I wanted to hate Windows 10, I got used to it easily enough. It's mainly just that stupid Start menu with all the tiles. But, that is easy to mostly fix... just remove all the tiles (I had not a single use for any of them -- all useless garbage), then you can actually resize the gigantic now blank panel that comes up to a much smaller one, so it only shows just the menu items. The stuff I access frequently is all in the task bar, just like it was in Windows 7. The occasional time I need to go to something else that is only in the Start menu (and that's rare for my home use, only something I do at work), I usually find it faster to start typing it's name in the search box. Scrolling through the Start menu is rather an unpleasant experience and I have trouble seeing what I want for some reason.

For privacy issues, create a local account; don't use the Microsoft Live (or whatever they call it now) account. There are a bunch of privacy-related options; turn them off, including Katana.
The windows 10 start menu definitely stinks.
 

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$31. Will probably take a few tickets with customer support to get a key that hasn't been used already but you will get one eventually.
 

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Now that 7 is done, I feel the need to upgrade to 10, when I go look online there is prices from 15 bucks to 139. What the heck!? I did notice one for 15 at NewEgg and after look at the specs. I saw the langue was Arabic.

Anyone do this and what should I look for? Home, Pro. I just use it at home, nothing special.
What say the collective?
If you have a valid 7 license you can upgrade for free, just google it.
 

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You can try the "free upgrade"; I guess it works for some people. It did not work for me. And, there was nothing weird about my original PC that would make me doubt the ability to upgrade... it was a Lenovo desktop bought from Best Buy with Windows 7 preinstalled and the official stickers on the side. But, the upgrade refused to activate. Worse yet, there was stuff wrong that wasn't going to work in Windows 10. So, I just bought a new PC with Windows 10.

But normally, Windows 10 Home is $140, and Pro is $200. If you get Home, the only things you will be missing are:
- Bit locker.
- Ability to connect INTO the PC via RDC. (You can still get out using RDC just fine.)

which is fine by me. I can connect into my PC using the free Team Viewer; works great. And, I don't fully trust Microsoft's encryption so I'm not too eager to use Bit locker. (Yes, it'll work fine for protecting you from criminals who steal your PC, or the local police who confiscate your PC during an investigation. But, I don't trust it for NSA or CIA-level of investigation. But, if a 3 letter agency is after you, you're screwed anyway.)

I don't fully understand the lesser prices either. That would leave me suspicious. If some local shop that you trust is selling out OEM copies for less, great. But, I'm not buying that stuff online just to save a few bucks.
Especially when the return address is in Moscow. [laugh]

I've had MSDN subscriptions since the mid 90's so there's never been a real incentive to try to source a cheap/free copy of anything Microsoft.
 

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What websites you go to doesn't matter that much from a security standpoint. If you have a single Win7 machine on a corporate network that thing could very well be leveraged against you in many different kinds of attacks, not just browser attacks. NoScript and uBlock origin will protect you very well against browser attacks. Win10 is really easy to use, I never got people's disdain for it. I press the Windows key and type in the search box what I want to do. EZ PZ.
I use Win 10 at home. I do actually like it, so I should pull back a bit on that comment. I'm just not a fan of the new indexer or search function. And that's on top of the fact that it no longer indexes legacy Outlook.
 

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FWIW I use sacrificial virtual machines for most of my computing needs.

With Win10 I've been using Hyper-V, but Cisco's VirtualPC works great too. Do it right and the VM performs just as well as a physical device.

You build the VM like any other install, configure your software, accounts, etc. When it's "perfect", make a copy of the drive and start using the VM. When it becomes overburdened with software, bloated with workware or even infected through unsafe computing, simply delete the image and copy in that backup of the "perfect" disk. It takes moments to get back to a fresh start and you don't spend hours wiping, reinstalling and forgetting that one utility you use ALL the time.
 

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FWIW I use sacrificial virtual machines for most of my computing needs.

With Win10 I've been using Hyper-V, but Cisco's VirtualPC works great too. Do it right and the VM performs just as well as a physical device.

You build the VM like any other install, configure your software, accounts, etc. When it's "perfect", make a copy of the drive and start using the VM. When it becomes overburdened with software, bloated with workware or even infected through unsafe computing, simply delete the image and copy in that backup of the "perfect" disk. It takes moments to get back to a fresh start and you don't spend hours wiping, reinstalling and forgetting that one utility you use ALL the time.
I do this but take it a step further. I use nonpersistent disks on VMware, so Everytime I start a workday I reboot and I know I have a clean environment. Poor man's Citrix!
 

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I do this but take it a step further. I use nonpersistent disks on VMware, so Everytime I start a workday I reboot and I know I have a clean environment. Poor man's Citrix!
A good twist. It takes getting used to, though and I'm too impatient. I've suggested that at work but their eyes sort of glaze over.
 

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If you bought a pc that originally came with win8 and you downgraded to win7... the win8 key is usually hard coded into the pc bios, win8 keys will work for win10.
10 will install, read the key and activate no problem.
I've done this on an HP laptop, and 2 Lenovo pcs so far. All 3 I downgraded to win7 from 8, cleared off the hard drive and did a clean 10 install. No problem.
If the Windows key was coded into the BIOS, then clearing the hard drive would not remove it.

There is a zero percent chance the Windows key was "hard coded" into the BIOS.
 

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If the Windows key was coded into the BIOS, then clearing the hard drive would not remove it.

There is a zero percent chance the Windows key was "hard coded" into the BIOS.
Incorrect

Many of the PC box makers code a Windows OEM key into BIOS. So your 0% chance is not accurate.

My company has upgraded in place over 1000 Lenovo Laptops and desktops, and they got their Win10 license from the BIOS, and it's why there's no sticker with a code on them when you buy them now. YMMV
 
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Many of the PC box makers code a Windows OEM key into BIOS. So your 0% chance is not accurate.

My company has upgraded in place over 1000 Lenovo Laptops and desktops, and they got their Win10 license from the BIOS, and it's why there's no sticker with a code on them when you buy them now. YMMV
Correct. I have a Thinkpad T430 running Linux Mint which has the Windows 7 OEM key embedded in the BIOS. Safe to say I haven't used it but it's there.
 

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Now that 7 is done, I feel the need to upgrade to 10, when I go look online there is prices from 15 bucks to 139. What the heck!? I did notice one for 15 at NewEgg and after look at the specs. I saw the langue was Arabic.

Anyone do this and what should I look for? Home, Pro. I just use it at home, nothing special.
What say the collective?
OP, try and see if the upgrade will work for free first.

go here: Download Windows 10

download and run the tool, and let it do your upgrade. Worst case, you will need to buy a $35 digital license. I can get you a valid one.
 

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Not really all that computer savvy so really my only question about Windows 10 would be "Is it still just as easy to watch Porn as it was on Windows 7 ??"

Cuz other than that and NES, my computer would sit idle, simply collecting dust.

Just sayin' :)
 

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Honestly though, I prefer Win 7, at least for work. I'm just going to be really careful about what I do online with it.
I did the free update way back when it first came out. It f***ed up my computer and I had to do a restore to remove it.

I will run Windows 7 until it just doesn't work anymore. Our computers at work are getting new hard drives with it installed and I still hate 10.

Why does a company think they have to change how to find everything every time they make a new version? Make a new version and let me find shit the same way.
 
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