Interesting article.
http://www.cmosnetworks.com/WhyWeNeedToWelcomeLiberals.html
[h=3]Why We Need to Welcome Liberals to the Cause of the Second Amendment
And the Consequences If We Don't
A Liberal's Perspective[/h]by C. Terrell Prudé, Jr.
August 28, 2010
Updated March 14, 2012
In June of 2008, I had what I consider to be an epiphany regarding the Second Amendment to our Constitution. It was at that point that I understood, in full, what the Founding Fathers meant when they included it into the Bill of Rights. From then on, my views regarding firearms changed pretty drastically, and now I am a proud firearms enthusiast. But if you'd told me five years ago that this would happen, I'd have thought you were smoking something illegal.
See, I'm a social liberal born and raised in San Francisco, California. I have pretty much all the open-mindedness that you'd expect from just about any other San Franciscan. That makes me a firearms enthusiast somewhat unlike many others in the pro-Second Amendment community. Being very much a liberal, my political beliefs are very different in many respects from many other firearms enthusiasts. I'm not a Christian and have no desire to ever be again. Gay marriage, no problem. Muslim? Fine by me, if that's your thing. Confederate worshipper? OK, personally I think you're nuts, but it's your right, so go for it.
None of that is relevant to the rights guaranteed to us under the Second Amendment!
We have the great fortune to live in what is still a free country today. That means we have the right not to agree with each other. This is America, and we get to do that here. However, one area in which we all really should be in agreement is that the Second Amendment is why we have the right to those other differences of position. It's what actually gives teeth to the rest of the Constitution. Absent of the right to keep and bear arms, the Constitution would be just another sheet of paper.
Fortunately, that isn't the case. The Founding Fathers made sure it wouldn't be.
However, we have another problem. This is a problem of numbers. I think--I hope--we all agree that many officials in high office would love to eviscerate those rights. Being from California, I know a lot of people who have voted for these folks again and again, without much of a thought either for or against the Second Amendment. Witness Dianne Feinstein's far-too-long political career. Also note that while she wants to deny those rights to us, she is herself on record as having gotten a concealed weapons permit in San Francisco! Yes, Dianne Feinstein--Mrs. Epitome-Of-Anti-Gunner--has herself legally carried a concealed gun and presumably still does today. We know that Chuck Schumer does, too. Quite a few anti-gunner politicians own and/or carry guns, or like Messrs. Bloomberg and Daley, they have a cadre of armed bodyguards.
So how is it that such hypocrites keep getting re-elected to high office? How do they get all these people to mark their ballots for them? And more, how do these hypocrites convince these voters that guns are just soooo evil?
Simple: they point at us as a group and call us "right-wing extremists."
Sadly, in many cases, it seems that they have some ammunition, and from a non-social-conservative, non-Republican point of view, it's pretty good ammunition. My Dad and I talk about this on a regular basis. The ammunition is well known: Christian fundamentalist, intolerant, bigoted, Confederacy-worshipping, redneck wing-nuts. And there's some truth to it.
Over the last couple of years, I've been to quite a few gun shows. Now, I'm no more a fan of President Obama than I suspect many other firearms enthusiasts are, for quite a few reasons. However, it's probably not a good thing that I'm seeing targets with his head as the bullseye. Nor is it good for us as a pro-freedom movement when I'm manning a pro-gun advocacy booth and hear people referring to President Obama as "Sambo" and "Head ****** In Charge."
A poignant example of this harmful attitude was provided to us by former US Rep. Virgil Goode of Virginia, upon the election of Rep. Keith Ellison. Rep. Ellison, a native of Detroit, MI who converted to Islam as an adult, chose to use the Koran--specifically, President Thomas Jefferson's Koran--at his swearing-in ceremony. Rep. Goode, a staunch pro-Second Amendment activist, had this to say about that event:
This kind of thing turns off a major constituency that we need in order to get more voters on board with the Second Amendment. That constituency is other liberals. We need other liberals on our side. Without them, I fear that ultimately we will lose. Right now the typical liberal is not on our side, and when I say "our", I don't mean "conservatives" or "Christians" or "Southerners" or anything else other than those who are pro-Second Amendment.
I'm referring to pro-2A liberals like my Dad, a black man. He is firmly on the side of the Second Amendment. For two decades, he tried to get me to understand the need for the right to carry. He urged me for a long time to get "a permit to carry," as he calls it. And he encourages others to do so.
He also despises the NRA or anything that smacks of it.
Dichotomy? Not from his vantage point. He's had to use his gun on several occasions to protect himself from racists--typically pro-Confederacy types--who wanted to kill him for merely existing. He's been witness to Martin Luther King, Jr.'s head as the bullseye on targets. And then I, his son, see the same thing happening again with President Obama's likeness. I hear him being called terrible, racist names that I never heard Bill Clinton get called. In both cases, the people doing this are, yep, you guessed it, usually sporting NRA stickers and patches on their cars, pickup trucks and/or jackets.
My Mom, a white woman and fellow California liberal, isn't too hot on the Democrats anymore, either. She's disgusted by Dianne Feinstein and has been for years. I took Mom to the range a couple of times, and she found that she enjoyed it! But she, too, sees us as "wingnuts" and wouldn't want to be anywhere near a gun show or an NRA function.
That is what's got to change.
We--myself, my parents, and many others like us--are the liberals that our movement needs. We need to stop driving us away. So how do we do this? How do we get other liberals, like my parents, more proactively on our side?
My Mom is a relationship counselor. She has helped a whole lot of couples who were on the brink of divorce achieve reconciliation and end up happily together once again. She's a very wise woman and knows a whole lot about communication. She gave me some advice years ago, which was the following:
Here's what I propose.
Now consider that I was 11 years old and nearly lost my father that day. I then calmly and slowly, contemplatively, ask the anti-gunner this question: "if my Dad had not had his gun that day, do you believe he would've survived the encounter, and if your answer is yes, then in what condition do you believe those racists with their knives would've been likely to leave him?" And then just wait for the anti-gunner to answer.
Liberals are likely to be present when such a conversation goes down. They always have when I've been faced with it. Often, some of them eventually come up to me and ask me questions. They ask me if I own a gun. I tell 'em all excitedly, "Oh, sure! I'm at the range all the time! It's so much fun! It's just like modern-day William Tell, you know, hit the bullseye, but way safer than what he had to do!" Since I know their concerns about firearms and safety ("guns bad! guns bad!"), I know which "button-push" issues I need to smooth over.
In all of this, I don't get upset or even irritated with them. I don't act rudely and cut them off; I let them finish their sentences, though I demand (and get) the same respect in return. And I certainly don't criticize them for their liberal beliefs. I'm too busy having fun educating them! And since I'm speaking their language, they'll listen to me. This is key. We've got to start speaking their language, and I mean more than just "women can fend off their rapists if they have a gun!" That's important, but it's not enough. Every black person in this country, for historical reasons, really should be pro-gun like my Dad is. But as we know, far too many are not, for reasons I've already outlined. We've got to attract these folks to our movement. We've got to seek them out and speak their language.
Remember, you are an ambassador, and other political differences are irrelevant when we're talking about the Second Amendment. Use diplomacy. Stay on the specific topic of the 2A, no matter how tempted you might be to start talking about abortion, "God", the national debt, or whatever else. Resist that temptation, and stay calm. Just keep reminding yourself of that as you're talking with these folks. Make it a mantra if you have to. We call this "sales and marketing", and yes, it matters. Make use of it!
If we can do more of this, then perhaps the liberals we talk to might look at the hypocrisy of the anti-gunner diatribe and re-think their previous positions. They probably will see us as a whole as less "wing-nut". And perhaps some of them, like me, might even re-consider voting for the Bill Clintons, Dianne Feinsteins, and Chuck Schumers of this world.
I am a liberal. And as you now know, I have a gun, and I'm not about to give it up! There are a lot of others like me. We need them...on our side.
http://www.cmosnetworks.com/WhyWeNeedToWelcomeLiberals.html
[h=3]Why We Need to Welcome Liberals to the Cause of the Second Amendment
And the Consequences If We Don't
A Liberal's Perspective[/h]by C. Terrell Prudé, Jr.
August 28, 2010
Updated March 14, 2012
See, I'm a social liberal born and raised in San Francisco, California. I have pretty much all the open-mindedness that you'd expect from just about any other San Franciscan. That makes me a firearms enthusiast somewhat unlike many others in the pro-Second Amendment community. Being very much a liberal, my political beliefs are very different in many respects from many other firearms enthusiasts. I'm not a Christian and have no desire to ever be again. Gay marriage, no problem. Muslim? Fine by me, if that's your thing. Confederate worshipper? OK, personally I think you're nuts, but it's your right, so go for it.
None of that is relevant to the rights guaranteed to us under the Second Amendment!
We have the great fortune to live in what is still a free country today. That means we have the right not to agree with each other. This is America, and we get to do that here. However, one area in which we all really should be in agreement is that the Second Amendment is why we have the right to those other differences of position. It's what actually gives teeth to the rest of the Constitution. Absent of the right to keep and bear arms, the Constitution would be just another sheet of paper.
Fortunately, that isn't the case. The Founding Fathers made sure it wouldn't be.
However, we have another problem. This is a problem of numbers. I think--I hope--we all agree that many officials in high office would love to eviscerate those rights. Being from California, I know a lot of people who have voted for these folks again and again, without much of a thought either for or against the Second Amendment. Witness Dianne Feinstein's far-too-long political career. Also note that while she wants to deny those rights to us, she is herself on record as having gotten a concealed weapons permit in San Francisco! Yes, Dianne Feinstein--Mrs. Epitome-Of-Anti-Gunner--has herself legally carried a concealed gun and presumably still does today. We know that Chuck Schumer does, too. Quite a few anti-gunner politicians own and/or carry guns, or like Messrs. Bloomberg and Daley, they have a cadre of armed bodyguards.
So how is it that such hypocrites keep getting re-elected to high office? How do they get all these people to mark their ballots for them? And more, how do these hypocrites convince these voters that guns are just soooo evil?
Simple: they point at us as a group and call us "right-wing extremists."
Sadly, in many cases, it seems that they have some ammunition, and from a non-social-conservative, non-Republican point of view, it's pretty good ammunition. My Dad and I talk about this on a regular basis. The ammunition is well known: Christian fundamentalist, intolerant, bigoted, Confederacy-worshipping, redneck wing-nuts. And there's some truth to it.
Over the last couple of years, I've been to quite a few gun shows. Now, I'm no more a fan of President Obama than I suspect many other firearms enthusiasts are, for quite a few reasons. However, it's probably not a good thing that I'm seeing targets with his head as the bullseye. Nor is it good for us as a pro-freedom movement when I'm manning a pro-gun advocacy booth and hear people referring to President Obama as "Sambo" and "Head ****** In Charge."
A poignant example of this harmful attitude was provided to us by former US Rep. Virgil Goode of Virginia, upon the election of Rep. Keith Ellison. Rep. Ellison, a native of Detroit, MI who converted to Islam as an adult, chose to use the Koran--specifically, President Thomas Jefferson's Koran--at his swearing-in ceremony. Rep. Goode, a staunch pro-Second Amendment activist, had this to say about that event:
"When I raise my hand to take the oath on Swearing In Day, I will have the Bible in my other hand. I do not subscribe to using the Koran in any way. The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran."
Oh. My. Goodness.This kind of thing turns off a major constituency that we need in order to get more voters on board with the Second Amendment. That constituency is other liberals. We need other liberals on our side. Without them, I fear that ultimately we will lose. Right now the typical liberal is not on our side, and when I say "our", I don't mean "conservatives" or "Christians" or "Southerners" or anything else other than those who are pro-Second Amendment.
I'm referring to pro-2A liberals like my Dad, a black man. He is firmly on the side of the Second Amendment. For two decades, he tried to get me to understand the need for the right to carry. He urged me for a long time to get "a permit to carry," as he calls it. And he encourages others to do so.
He also despises the NRA or anything that smacks of it.
Dichotomy? Not from his vantage point. He's had to use his gun on several occasions to protect himself from racists--typically pro-Confederacy types--who wanted to kill him for merely existing. He's been witness to Martin Luther King, Jr.'s head as the bullseye on targets. And then I, his son, see the same thing happening again with President Obama's likeness. I hear him being called terrible, racist names that I never heard Bill Clinton get called. In both cases, the people doing this are, yep, you guessed it, usually sporting NRA stickers and patches on their cars, pickup trucks and/or jackets.
My Mom, a white woman and fellow California liberal, isn't too hot on the Democrats anymore, either. She's disgusted by Dianne Feinstein and has been for years. I took Mom to the range a couple of times, and she found that she enjoyed it! But she, too, sees us as "wingnuts" and wouldn't want to be anywhere near a gun show or an NRA function.
That is what's got to change.
We--myself, my parents, and many others like us--are the liberals that our movement needs. We need to stop driving us away. So how do we do this? How do we get other liberals, like my parents, more proactively on our side?
My Mom is a relationship counselor. She has helped a whole lot of couples who were on the brink of divorce achieve reconciliation and end up happily together once again. She's a very wise woman and knows a whole lot about communication. She gave me some advice years ago, which was the following:
"If you want to move someone over to your way of thinking, you can be one step away from them, and you can get 'em to come along with you. But if you're two steps away, you will generally lose them."
She also stressed the importance of "speaking their language." Right now, we generally don't speak the language of liberals very well. As a movement, we need to start doing that better.Here's what I propose.
- We can stop referring to President Obama by those hateful names. That right there will be a big help.
- Engage with liberals in a relaxed, friendly manner. Remember, this is about the Second Amendment, which actually is a non-partisan issue. It's a bedrock principle of our legal system and our very nation. Discuss it as such, free of Democrat/Republican junk.
- If you have children who shoot, be proud of them! If one of your kids got a blue ribbon for marksmanship (e. g. the Boy Scouts), brag on the kid. "How was your weekend?" "Pretty good, actually, my son got a blue ribbon for marksmanship at the local competition! I'm so proud of that kid!" Who dares say "ewwww!" to any parent so proud of his or her child's success? If the kid does it again in next month's competition, brag on the kid again. That's your kid, after all!
- If you get into a "debate" with an anti-gunner, then do what I do. Tell that person my Dad's story. It goes like this.
Now consider that I was 11 years old and nearly lost my father that day. I then calmly and slowly, contemplatively, ask the anti-gunner this question: "if my Dad had not had his gun that day, do you believe he would've survived the encounter, and if your answer is yes, then in what condition do you believe those racists with their knives would've been likely to leave him?" And then just wait for the anti-gunner to answer.
Liberals are likely to be present when such a conversation goes down. They always have when I've been faced with it. Often, some of them eventually come up to me and ask me questions. They ask me if I own a gun. I tell 'em all excitedly, "Oh, sure! I'm at the range all the time! It's so much fun! It's just like modern-day William Tell, you know, hit the bullseye, but way safer than what he had to do!" Since I know their concerns about firearms and safety ("guns bad! guns bad!"), I know which "button-push" issues I need to smooth over.
In all of this, I don't get upset or even irritated with them. I don't act rudely and cut them off; I let them finish their sentences, though I demand (and get) the same respect in return. And I certainly don't criticize them for their liberal beliefs. I'm too busy having fun educating them! And since I'm speaking their language, they'll listen to me. This is key. We've got to start speaking their language, and I mean more than just "women can fend off their rapists if they have a gun!" That's important, but it's not enough. Every black person in this country, for historical reasons, really should be pro-gun like my Dad is. But as we know, far too many are not, for reasons I've already outlined. We've got to attract these folks to our movement. We've got to seek them out and speak their language.
Remember, you are an ambassador, and other political differences are irrelevant when we're talking about the Second Amendment. Use diplomacy. Stay on the specific topic of the 2A, no matter how tempted you might be to start talking about abortion, "God", the national debt, or whatever else. Resist that temptation, and stay calm. Just keep reminding yourself of that as you're talking with these folks. Make it a mantra if you have to. We call this "sales and marketing", and yes, it matters. Make use of it!
If we can do more of this, then perhaps the liberals we talk to might look at the hypocrisy of the anti-gunner diatribe and re-think their previous positions. They probably will see us as a whole as less "wing-nut". And perhaps some of them, like me, might even re-consider voting for the Bill Clintons, Dianne Feinsteins, and Chuck Schumers of this world.
I am a liberal. And as you now know, I have a gun, and I'm not about to give it up! There are a lot of others like me. We need them...on our side.
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Most so called conservatives do the same effing thing, so let's not jump to the conclusion that they are innocent, either, the only real difference is as a whole conservatives are slightly less agressive about it, but that's like comparing two types of cancer, in the end it's still 
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I am laughing because that person is describing a "libertarian" not a "liberal." This is the problem with labels.
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I think my point was made though.
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