Why do they have to trace anything?

One of the things that I learned was important to do in life, is not take anything for granted.

So, with all the whining about untracable ghost guns, my question is why do they have to trace anything?

Criminal commits crime with gun. Prosecute criminal, and jail same if that is warranted. Work on trying to figure out why people commit crimes, and try to reduce crime that way as well.

But who cares where the gun came from?

Maybe if Democrats were serious about crime, as they are serious about disarming law abiding folks, we wouldn't be in such a mess.B

Here's a scenario:

1). you buy a new pistol, after owning it for a couple of years you don't like it any longer
2). You sell the pistol to a mysterious Mister X. Mister X has a valid LTC and is by all means a stand up guy.
3). A short while later the gun is stolen out of Mister X's car. Mister X was trying to be a good guy and locked up his gun in a proper storage container while Mister X was off doing his personal business.
4). A criminal uses this gun to commit a crime.
5). Upon capture the police determine the chain of ownership.

Any meaning or outcome to the crime? None.
However it's information that can be subpoenaed in a civil trial.

At a later date both
yourself, Mister X, the gun shop and the manufacturer are sued civilly for the crime committed by the gun. The liberal lawyers will argue that the manufacturer sold guns to a gun shop where out of the 50,000 guns they sold, 2 were used in a crime, yours and some other poor soul. The lawyers will claim that you were careless in selling a gun to Mister X. Mister X's storage no matter how proper or perfect resulted in the crime therefore Mister X is liable and guilty as the day is long.

That's what tracing is for. Not solving crimes but figuring out who to sue. Why do you think that the overlords want "insurance". This way when they sue you, your insurance will give a pay out to the victim.

As to the actual criminal, well we can't put that poor soul into prison for years and years. He was on his way to church to repent his evil ways, saw a locked gun case, was overcome with criminal feelings and committed a violent armed robbery. Liberals jurors, anxious to showcase their virtue will feel sorry for this poor helpless soul who only wants to find Jesus and let him go, where he murders the next day because they are virtue signaling dolts.

This is the world that they want to create a brick at a time while we stand around like idiots. They want to get rid of the PLCAA, have liability on gun shops and sue anyone who ever touched the gun or gave it a menacing glare.

Consider this the aspirational desires of the anti-gun left. To make gun ownership so onerous that most people simply say f*** it, it's just not worth it, unless of course you work for the government or are very wealthy in which case it won't matter. Having chain of ownership is the first step in suing everyone up and down the chain, no matter how insane it is.

By the way, that's democrats, not real leftists. Real honest to goodness leftists love guns as much as anyone on this forum. Democrats by contrast are hooked like rabid junkies on the cheap currency based dope that can be extracted from the wallet of Mister Mike Bloomberg and his array of dark money funnels. With Bloomberg bucks they don't have to work as hard to get re-elected since a great majority of their campaigns is pre-financed. All the dems have to do is to think up goofy anti-gun sh*t and heaven knows when it comes to goofy sh*t the Mass legislature is a world leader in this area.


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Because uninformed and learning disabled liberals have a fallacy that you can "trace" a crime back to a gun and thus the owner from the mangled bullets recovered. The gun also stamps it's serial number on every bullet and also carries your fingerprints from when you loaded the mag....

How do you not know this?
 
There is an alternate tracing mechanism - the NCIC maintains a list of serial numbers of stolen guns. This can be used to get stolen guns back to their rightful owner and, with the right connections, can even get a gun back from the NYPD property room after the gun is no longer needed as evidence.
 
People read part (3) without looking at the containing section and jump to the unfortunately inaccurate conclusion that the feds prohibits states from running their own registration scheme.
Correct. What's an interesting question to me is whether eTrace creates a distributed system of registration.
 
One of the things that I learned was important to do in life, is not take anything for granted.

So, with all the whining about untracable ghost guns, my question is why do they have to trace anything?

Criminal commits crime with gun. Prosecute criminal, and jail same if that is warranted. Work on trying to figure out why people commit crimes, and try to reduce crime that way as well.

But who cares where the gun came from?

Maybe if Democrats were serious about crime, as they are serious about disarming law abiding folks, we wouldn't be in such a mess.
You are trying to be logical. Instant fail.
 
The US will not even leave a base of research scientists in Antartica McMurdo base uncontrolled - there is a US marshall stationed there so they are always under LE supervision and control.
That's just because they watched that documentary, where the Norwegians' dog got sick, or something.

It's been a while, so I'm fuzzy on the details, but that was probably the reason.
 
There is an alternate tracing mechanism - the NCIC maintains a list of serial numbers of stolen guns. This can be used to get stolen guns back to their rightful owner and, with the right connections, can even get a gun back from the NYPD property room after the gun is no longer needed as evidence.
NCIC also contains a lot of incomplete and incorrect records. If the original operator didn't get the exact make and model correct, the entry is pretty useless. We had a training example of running the SN only, and depending on how the filters were set, it would include a lot of completely different guns, and sometimes other property like electronics and boats.
 
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