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Who here still trusts Trump when it comes to guns?

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Trump tells us our 2nd Amendment rights are under siege and they won't be if he's President, but what has Trump really done when it comes to guns and the right to keep and bear them?

He's said ban bump stocks, take guns first and then do due process, said that national reciprocity shouldn't be included in any gun bills and it should "pass on its own," and he supports raising the age to 21 to buy guns.

Trump has done nothing remotely pro gun or pro 2nd Amendment. In truth, we'd be better off with a Democrat in the White House because they are an enemy at the gates who is known and carries an anti-gun banner openly. Trump... Trump appears to be a traitor moving within the gates, his sly whispers heard in the halls of government itself.

A nation can survive its fools, but it cannot survive treason from within.

The 2nd Amendment is not going to survive unless we accept and call out Trump for his duplicity and the message needs to be sent to him well before the elections in November where Dems may win because I believe they'll send him anti-gun bills and given how Trump signed the budget bill a couple months ago, he may likely sign an anti-gun bill because he's a dope who needs people to like him.
 
T-Unit said:
Trump tells us our 2nd Amendment rights are under siege and they won't be if he's President, but what has Trump really done when it comes to guns and the right to keep and bear them?

He's said ban bump stocks, take guns first and then do due process, said that national reciprocity shouldn't be included in any gun bills and it should "pass on its own," and he supports raising the age to 21 to buy guns.

Trump has done nothing remotely pro gun or pro 2nd Amendment. In truth, we'd be better off with a Democrat in the White House because they are an enemy at the gates who is known and carries an anti-gun banner openly. Trump... Trump appears to be a traitor moving within the gates, his sly whispers heard in the halls of government itself.

A nation can survive its fools, but it cannot survive treason from within.

The 2nd Amendment is not going to survive unless we accept and call out Trump for his duplicity and the message needs to be sent to him well before the elections in November where Dems may win because I believe they'll send him anti-gun bills and given how Trump signed the budget bill a couple months ago, he may likely sign an anti-gun bill because he's a dope who needs people to like him.
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Trump will say the 2nd amendment is fine but will rule that it should be modified and governed better. I don’t trust trump one bit. Although I think he sees it’s not so much what he thinks or feels if the house wants the house gets
 
mac1911 said:
Trump will say the 2nd amendment is fine but will rule that it should be modified and governed better. I don’t trust trump one bit. Although I think he sees it’s not so much what he thinks or feels if the house wants the house gets
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Yeah, because he's desperate to not be impeached so he's going to kowtow to Congress, who is the definition of the Swamp that Trump said he'd drain.
 
Picton said:
Awesome!

Another Trump thread...
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Well, he did just talk at the NRA a few days ago and the first time since all the anti gun shit has been hitting the fan, so I think it's an appropriate time to actually about what he said and compare it to what he's done to hopefully decipher the truth and use that to prepare for likely events in the future.
 
He's a loudmouth, arrogant a**h*** who was always a Democrat before he decided to run as a Republican.
I didn't trust him before he was elected and I don't trust him now.

That being said: better him in there than Hillary.
 
PatMcD said:
He's a loudmouth, arrogant a**h*** who was always a Democrat before he decided to run as a Republican.
I didn't trust him before he was elected and I don't trust him now.

That being said: better him in there than Hillary.
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This pretty much sums it up. Evil or stupid. Had to go with stupid.
 
PatMcD said:
He's a loudmouth, arrogant a**h*** who was always a Democrat before he decided to run as a Republican.
I didn't trust him before he was elected and I don't trust him now.

That being said: better him in there than Hillary.
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Is it though? Hillary wouldn't have been able to pass anything because of Congress. No one likes Hillary. She would have been so unpopular that Republicans would gain in Congress in 2018, and probably regain the presidency in 2020.

So with either Trump or Hillary, nothing gun control related would be passing right now. But with Trump you have someone so polarizing that 2018 and potentially 2020 being set up for liberal wave elections. And then you have Congressional districts being redrawn after the 2020 Census, and you'll have liberal wave majorities gerrymandering in their favor across the country, and those new maps last 10 years.

If you were playing chess, looking 5 years or a decade ahead, I think Hillary would have been (much) better for our side in the long run.

Nothing motivates more than hate, and I'd rather have our side revved up against Hillary than their side against Trump, given the stakes and that her power would have been neutralized by the existing Republican majorities in Congress.
 
I don’t trust Trump as far as I can throw him. Which isn’t far as he’s a big guy. Would have trusted Clinton even less.
 
Nope.
Never did trust him.
Too long of a track record of being way too cozy with lefties.
And, while he's been better than I expected in some areas, I don't trust him at all with regard to 2A and guns.
I'd love to be proven wrong.
 
Depends whether the wall goes up and the #FakeAmericans are sent home. Demographics is destiny, and if we keep importing these anti-2A people then the 2A will vanish.
 
Boston4567 said:
Is it though? Hillary wouldn't have been able to pass anything because of Congress. No one likes Hillary. She would have been so unpopular that Republicans would gain in Congress in 2018, and probably regain the presidency in 2020.

So with either Trump or Hillary, nothing gun control related would be passing right now. But with Trump you have someone so polarizing that 2018 and potentially 2020 being set up for liberal wave elections. And then you have Congressional districts being redrawn after the 2020 Census, and you'll have liberal wave majorities gerrymandering in their favor across the country, and those new maps last 10 years.

If you were playing chess, looking 5 years or a decade ahead, I think Hillary would have been (much) better for our side in the long run.

Nothing motivates more than hate, and I'd rather have our side revved up against Hillary than their side against Trump, given the stakes and that her power would have been neutralized by the existing Republican majorities in Congress.
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Blindfire is that you?
 
TomMontana said:
In before "sorry your girl lost". Hopefully he doesn't run again and we get someone who isn't a clown.
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Thing is, the Republicans who can actually win an election are all clowns. The real limited gov't types in the party like Cruz and Paul are looked at as weirdos who independents won't vote for. Besides Trump, the people likely to get the Republican nomination are Bushes, McCains, Romneys, etc. You know, spineless wimps or outright Progs in RINO checkpants.

I've said it many times, but the future of pro gun legislation is at the state level. Nationally/Federally, the only thing we can hope for is nothing new to be added on, but bump stocks and age limits have pretty much already been decided on.
 
More than any of the competition (some 30 people), except maybe Rand.

I saw his comments as more of an A/B test and the answer was clear - hence his current stance.
 
jct61765 said:
Blindfire is that you?
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Not sure who that is. I'm an independent libertarian. It's realpolitik.

People should vote for whoever gets us what we want in the long term, not whoever makes us feel warm and fuzzy. We may or may not like Trump, but there's no question he's energizing the enemy. Hillary would have energized our allies and she would have accomplished nothing against our interests.

I'm watching my generation (millenials) go off the deep end because of this guy. It's scary. He's breeding a generation of socialists.
 
Boston4567 said:
Not sure who that is. I'm an independent libertarian. It's realpolitik.

People should vote for whoever gets us what we want in the long term, not whoever makes us feel warm and fuzzy. We may or may not like Trump, but there's no question he's energizing the enemy. Hillary would have energized our allies and she would have accomplished nothing against our interests.

I'm watching my generation (millenials) go off the deep end because of this guy. It's scary. He's breeding a generation of socialists.
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I don't mean to bring this off the topic of can we trust Trump when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, but Trump was a reaction to Obama's racism against Whites and his hatred of America and Obama was a reaction of the Iraq War, gas prices, and the Great Recession.

Hilary would have been the final nail in the coffin, even with a Republican Congress. Russia legitimately would have declared war on the US and we'd have 100 thousand troops in Syria. Are we better off with Trump? IDK, maybe not with his domestic policy, but Migs aren't dropping bombs where I live, so I'm happy about that.

The Left may be motivated now, but they're not who controls the elections, it's the independents that do and with how the left continues to push nearly psychotic radicals as their candidates, I don't think the executive branch is in jeopardy. The issue is that the RINO's in Congress hate Trump so much that they're willing to lose a midterm to get Dems in who would impeach Trump just because Trump wasn't "their guy."

They're the never Trumpers and they are willing to sacrifice themselves to get him out ASAP. The House is more or less irrelevant, there are too many people there, but the Senate is the place that the Republicans have to hold. Vote out the RINOs, vote out the establishment in the primaries. The least we can do is get people like McCain, Corker, and Grahamn out of there.
 
T-Unit said:
Trump tells us our 2nd Amendment rights are under siege and they won't be if he's President, but what has Trump really done when it comes to guns and the right to keep and bear them?

He's said ban bump stocks, take guns first and then do due process, said that national reciprocity shouldn't be included in any gun bills and it should "pass on its own," and he supports raising the age to 21 to buy guns.

Trump has done nothing remotely pro gun or pro 2nd Amendment. In truth, we'd be better off with a Democrat in the White House because they are an enemy at the gates who is known and carries an anti-gun banner openly. Trump... Trump appears to be a traitor moving within the gates, his sly whispers heard in the halls of government itself.

A nation can survive its fools, but it cannot survive treason from within.

The 2nd Amendment is not going to survive unless we accept and call out Trump for his duplicity and the message needs to be sent to him well before the elections in November where Dems may win because I believe they'll send him anti-gun bills and given how Trump signed the budget bill a couple months ago, he may likely sign an anti-gun bill because he's a dope who needs people to like him.
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These circular arguments, that provide zero resolutions, are no different than a dog chasing its tail. The same circular file nonsense is also used against the NRA. Its simply a creation of professional internet bloggers.

WTFU.....Trump is surrounded by Communists and Neocons and will be lucky to escape impeachment. Hillary lost an election that was unloseable, your guns would have already been taken. Many gun owners need to get off their computers and come out of their basements and realize they are in no position to dictate anything to anybody.
 
Compared to Hillary? yes i trust Trump.
Compared to some Rino, like Kaisach? yes it trust Trump.

But if a bipartisan group of people came to him with some "common sense" nonsense....he could go wonky.

We gun owners are in a tough spot. We KNOW the democrats want to confiscate all of our guns....so even the slightest new law on guns -- we know it is just a step on a pathway paved to HELL! So we must resist. But politically....there are plenty of moderates, fudds, etc who do not understand that. And Trump and these politicians have to get re-elected. It is going to be hard for them to resist each and every measure.

For instance, just look at that assclown REPUBLICAN governor in VT! :mad:
 
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Spanz said:
Compared to Hillary? yes i trust Trump.
Compared to some Rino, like Kaisach? yes it trust Trump.

But if a bipartisan group of people came to him with some "common sense" nonsense....he could go wonky.

We gun owners are in a tough spot. We KNOW the democrats want to confiscate all of our guns....so even the slightest new law on guns -- we know it is just a step on a pathway paved to HELL! So we must resist. But politically....there are plenty of moderates, fudds, etc who do not understand that. And Trump and these politicians have to get re-elected. It is going to be hard for them to resist each and every measure.

For instance, just look at that assclown REPUBLICAN governor in VT! :mad:
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Exactly. Take a look at the paid number of GOAL members. Take a look at the paid number of NRA members.....its pathetic. This country is controlled by power and money. Until the vast majority of gun owners actually join the cause, and cease and desist with the internet Patrick Henry speeches, the lack of a unified mass is going to be their undoing.
 
Boston4567 said:
Not sure who that is. I'm an independent libertarian. It's realpolitik.

People should vote for whoever gets us what we want in the long term, not whoever makes us feel warm and fuzzy. We may or may not like Trump, but there's no question he's energizing the enemy. Hillary would have energized our allies and she would have accomplished nothing against our interests.

I'm watching my generation (millenials) go off the deep end because of this guy. It's scary. He's breeding a generation of socialists.
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The Libertarian Party betrayed us my friend, made fools of all of us who actually believed they could become a national power. Until they apologize for that 2016 ticket I'm done with them.
 
T-Unit said:
Thing is, the Republicans who can actually win an election are all clowns. The real limited gov't types in the party like Cruz and Paul are looked at as weirdos who independents won't vote for. Besides Trump, the people likely to get the Republican nomination are Bushes, McCains, Romneys, etc. You know, spineless wimps or outright Progs in RINO checkpants.

I've said it many times, but the future of pro gun legislation is at the state level. Nationally/Federally, the only thing we can hope for is nothing new to be added on, but bump stocks and age limits have pretty much already been decided on.
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Is it me or am I the only one who understands that the "Republican" party is the Neocon Party? RINOs would be an improvement over what they are now.
 
1. He hasn't really done anything against the 2A. Hasn't done anything for it either but at least we're not looking at a teary-eyed POTUS calling for a new AWB.

2. The SCOTUS is far more important than the POTUS for us and I think we can trust Trump to pick Justices who are pro-2A.

3. I can overlook inaction on the 2A when unemployment is below 4%, the market is booming, I'm paying less taxes, NK is at the negotiations table, SA is pushing the Palestinians away, China is lifting tariffs, etc. Trump is doing an awesome job overall (yes, I realize that he's far from perfect).
 

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