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Ah someone who has some intelligence!!! The military is doing away with the m855 round and going to the M855A1 round. Everyone got use to buying the all that cheap government rejected M855 ammo from Lake City that they thought it was the norm and would last for ever!
Even if the BATF didn't decide to try to reclassify it AP, it would go away because it is going of of production/manufacturing for military use. No production....no rejected lots... no ammo to sell to the civilian market...
Anyway you cut it. say good bye to the cheap M855.
http://www.aschq.army.mil/ac/aais/i..._Caliber_Second_Source/634203275890625000.PDF
So, the NATO round is no more, or the ability to get subsidized M855 is (potentially) no more?
Have to be careful with this type of thinking. The Gov't loves when we become complacent. A few "fake" panic buying situations gets some to think the next one will be more of the same. That's when they could actually throw a real situation at us that we ignore at our demise.
What? Are you saying theres a shortage on TulAmmo? Oh great here we go. Now I have to go out and grab as much as possible [emoji6]Here we go again. Ammo shortage time because of all the hoarders. I don't care about the green tip just leave the TulAmmo for me please. Thanks.
Exactly, that is what I was planning on doing but all my favorite ammo wholesaler's across the country are out of everything.
With respect to the LC ammo get get being rejects, fine, I am not going to argue that point. Buthave any of you had serious issues with the ammo? I don't mean go scour the web for one of those 'someone's upper blew up' and you portray it like it happened to you. I mean seriously, it doesn't shoot, or it isn't accurate, etc.
I fired 'official' ammo out of beat up M-16's for a few years and got a hell of a lot more stovepipes and FtF's - probably because of the gun's condition - than I have firing the civilian available version out of a new, well maintained Windham for the last couple of years.
To be honest, as a former grunt, the idea that they were saving all the good ammo for me sounds kind of like a cruel joke. Especially since my MOS was to not get killed until the F-15's could nape the area.
M855 "rejects" are fine to shoot. There are many reasons that an ammo "lot" may fail to pass the government inspection/acceptance test.
For example one test is how fast or slow the round leaves the test barrel after being fired. Some weapons are fired at full auto.... if one round is too slow and the other is too fast the two rounds could jam in the barrel and the third round blow up the weapon. This would be a reason for the government to reject the lot.
Now for 99.99% of us civilian shooter, this issue doesn't matter... its good to go/shoot.
Green paint missing or not uniform?? Another reason to reject the round and the lot!
The ammo has to hit a certain MOA at a certain distance.... if a certain number of the sample rounds don't make the required results the whole 20 to 100 thousand round lot is rejected.
Bottom line that the criteria used to accept/reject the M855 rounds is extremely tight and specific for its military use.
That M850 which is "rejected" for military use is more than fine for civilian use.
Is this a trick question?Did Obama say something really stupid in the last few days???
What is this, a general paranoia?
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7.62???? FOR WHAT??? What is this, a general paranoia?
Did Obama say something really stupid in the last few days???
The Government owns a small arms ammo manufacturing plant in Lake City Mo.
The Lake City Army Ammunition Plant is a government owned, contractor operated facility.
Lake City produces the majority of the M855 ammo used for the Military.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQquwkALxa4
When the LC contractor manufactures ammo for the military, they produce the ammo in "lots" of thousands of rounds.
When a lot is ready, the contractor submits the lot for government inspection/acceptance.
The Gov inspectors take a sample number of rounds from that lot and inspects those rounds for specific tests/performance/dimensions/etc.
If the lot is accepted it goes into military inventory...never to be seen or sold again.
If it rejected, then the contractor has all that money tied up in rejected lot and sells it to the civilian sector .
This is the green tip we have been getting for years!
( This is also the reason why the "exception" for the M885 and 193 was originally written into the regulation.... so the Gov could allow the contractor to sell off the ammo the government couldn't/didn't buy.)
Now that there is a new round... M855A1... into production, and the M855 is going out of production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6sHW20WNNs
So less M855 production = less rejection= less M855 to the civilian market.
So in the near future....0 production = 0 rejection = 0 M855 to the civilian market.
Regardless of what the BATF does with its proposed changes, the M8555 is going away.
As for the M193....the M193 is the older version of 5.56 military ammo that is generally no longer in use in the US military but is still made by LC for non-NATO military use.
M855 "rejects" are fine to shoot. There are many reasons that an ammo "lot" may fail to pass the government inspection/acceptance test.
For example one test is how fast or slow the round leaves the test barrel after being fired. Some weapons are fired at full auto.... if one round is too slow and the other is too fast the two rounds could jam in the barrel and the third round blow up the weapon. This would be a reason for the government to reject the lot.
Now for 99.99% of us civilian shooter, this issue doesn't matter... its good to go/shoot.
Green paint missing or not uniform?? Another reason to reject the round and the lot!
The ammo has to hit a certain MOA at a certain distance.... if a certain number of the sample rounds don't make the required results the whole 20 to 100 thousand round lot is rejected.
Bottom line that the criteria used to accept/reject the M855 rounds is extremely tight and specific for its military use.
That M850 which is "rejected" for military use is more than fine for civilian use.
I think it's more a case of full-on neckbearding. Even online, .223 has mostly evaporated, and when it does show up, it's expensive. Once the 855 discussion got attention from the media, it created another panic.Any lack of .223 on the shelves is at least partially due to people going to the stores looking for M855, and, finding none, buying some of whatever IS on the shelf, even if they don't "need" it.
Or, because capitalism.
Where is the .223? Hidden under the counter at the Salem NH WalMart!