What The USA Would Look Like Without The NRA

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If you want to see what the USA would look like without the NRA, just look at England.

See "London Burning" in the Nov issue of NRA America's 1st Freedom:

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/0dff08e3#/0dff08e3/89
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Tried to read it but the zoom is all messed up. It is all zoomed in for the visually impaired and I can not get it to move or zoom out.

I reloaded the page. Just do not click on the magnify glass.

This is cool.
 
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I think it would look better because it would open the door for an organization that's actually interested in repealing the laws we have rather than adding new ones. I'd be happy if the NRA disappeared.
 
Acujeff said:
If you want to see what the USA would look like without the NRA, just look at England.

See "London Burning" in the Nov issue of NRA America's 1st Freedom:

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/0dff08e3#/0dff08e3/1

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Get and stay informed with “The First Freedom” NRA’s monthly magazine for the most consistent in depth info, reporting and analysis on NRAs positions and involvement on gun issues, laws, legislation, gun control, lawsuits and politics.

You can switch your subscription online to the print or the premium digital edition at no charge. If you want to switch or subscribe: http://www.nramemberservices.org

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http://www.keepandbeararms.com/NRA/NFA.htm
Maybe you should read up on the NRA, I think we would be in far better shape without them
 
Here's the link directly to the specific article "London Burning". How incremental gun control lead to total bans on citizen gun ownership - to completely losing the right to self defense - to criminals having more rights than victims - to now runaway unbridled criminal activity. England's gunowners were not organized enough to stop them then or now.

Link:

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/0dff08e3#/0dff08e3/89

fixed the above link too.
 
The NRA keeps the postal service running with all their junk mail. I didn't renew this year and still get all their crap on the mail.

Is the NRA stepping up in MA, like Comm2A is?

The NRA can suck it.
 
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I certainly wouldn't donate a dime to the NRA if it weren't for the requirement imposed by my shooting range (for the insurance). I think they were very good at one point, just like labor unions, but have since outgrown their usefulness (both of them).
 
What have they done for me lately ? Nothing , they have given up on us and we rightfully so should give up on them. I haven't given them a dime in a while and they won't get anything from me in the future.
 
Boghog1 said:
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/NRA/NFA.htm
Maybe you should read up on the NRA, I think we would be in far better shape without them
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Anyone who hasn't read that link should. The then NRA president said this:

MR. FREDERICK: ... "I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I seldom carry one. ... I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses" [emphasis added]
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That's how the NRA helps protect you, they support "reasonable" laws.
 
xtry51 said:
That's how the NRA helps protect you, they support "reasonable" laws.
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Stop using logic, and just fall in to support the NRA like the FUDDS. [wink] Sure the rest of the country might like the NRA, so what? They're a bunch of fudds who only care about their bolt rifles, or happen to have decent gun rights and think the NRA somehow makes it all possible.

The truth is that infringing laws are being overturned by high courts not because of the NRA, but because of the 2nd Amendment which our founding fathers saw fit to leave for us. The NRA just serves to stir up a LOT of hate from moonbats, while marginally sticking up for our rights when it suits their political agenda.
 
F*** the NRA. The reason we have to shell out 20k+ for a giggle switch sear of a pre -86 gun is partially because of those douchenozzles. The reason we can't constitutionally carry is because of those mooks. The reason we have any progress in New England is NOT because of the NRA. The NRA does what the NRA has to do to survive, which is bare minimum. They do put on quite the cirus act though. With thier money and power, they could CRUSH a huge majority of the anti-2a stuff, but why would they do that? Job security. If they did their job, they wouldn't have one in the long run. ;) Smart little buggers they are, but what they don't realize....fudd money goes ones the fudds are gone. Most people in my generation are not fudds, we like our fun toys, and we would rather donate to causes that like us having fun toys. The NRA will be gasping for air in 10 years if they don't shape up.
 
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Anyone who hasn't read that link should. The then NRA president said this:



That's how the NRA helps protect you, they support "reasonable" laws.
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Reading that quote makes me sick to my stomach knowing that. With reading that and along with what they have done in numerous states to screw up some nice gun bills, concretes that I will never send a dime to them.
As others have said, they have outlived their usefulness.
 
TomH said:
Stop using logic, and just fall in to support the NRA like the FUDDS. [wink]
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Hold on, I need to catch up.

So this week NRA is for FUDDS, and last week it was GOAL, right? I'm sorry, these shifting allegiances and inconsistent backings are just *so tough* to stay up to date on.
 
MichaelJR said:
F*** the NRA. The reason we have to shell out 20k+ for a giggle switch sear of a pre -86 gun is partially because of those douchenozzles. The reason we can't constitutionally carry is because of those mooks. The reason we have any progress in New England is NOT because of the NRA. The NRA does what the NRA has to do to survive, which is bare minimum. They do put on quite the cirus act though. With thier money and power, they could CRUSH a huge majority of the anti-2a stuff, but why would they do that? Job security. If they did their job, they wouldn't have one in the long run. ;) Smart little buggers they are, but what they don't realize....fudd money goes ones the fudds are gone. Most people in my generation are not fudds, we like our fun toys, and we would rather donate to causes that like us having fun toys. The NRA will be gasping for air in 10 years if they don't shape up.
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While I don't have much love for the NRA I don't think they're they were the douchenozzels that ban automatic weapons. You can thank Charlie for that.

link to house video:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...986-machine-gun-ban-was-a-parliamentary-scam/
 
People effect change not the NRA. You do that by putting the right people in office and bringing the issues to the courts. The best thing thing to do is to support organizations like Comm2a who do just that.
 
Give your money to Comm2A.

Give them a car too if you have one, preferably a nice car that will make car lovers cry.
 
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Yeah the NRA does nothing for the RKBA. In fact, the NRA is responsible for all the gun control so they can get rich and wear suits! We should all resent the NRA for trying to keep us informed or get our support. If anyone posts facts to the contrary, don't address the issues or respond with facts, just call them names and point to something else, however inane, to change the subject. People will stop joining and supporting the NRA and then we can be just like....England.

So here's my response to what the NRA has done lately.

All gun owners benefit from the work done by the NRA, whether, or not, you are a member. For example - we all remember that in 1987 only 10 states recognized the right to carry. Today, due to the NRA, 49 states do. In 1994, there were only 8 states with range protection laws, today 47 states protect ranges.

Let's not forget what they've done for Preemption Laws, Castle Doctrine, Emergency Powers Laws, protecting gun owners and dealers privacy rights with the Tiahrt Amendment and Privacy Protection laws, Hunter Protection laws, "The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act”, the Heller and McDonald decisions, Workplace Protection laws, as well as fighting against the old and new AW bans, National Park and public housing firearms bans, UN Gun Control, Gun Show bans, ballistic fingerprinting, health insurance companies from charging gun owners higher premiums, and reforming the abuses of the BATFE (initiating the investigations of Fast and Furious and Operation Gunrunner). If you don’t know these issues, or know the numerous lawsuits and legislation NRA is actively involved with daily, throughout the country then you are not informed and not acknowledging all the NRA does.

To accomplish all the above, the NRA goes to courts and legislatures plenty of times to fight against gun control. If you "critics" are not giving the NRA credit for doing the job you are either unaware or purposely trying to misrepresent the facts to make NESers turn away from the NRA. Either way you are not acting in the best interests of gunowners.

It's easy to understand why the anti-RKBA media, democrats and liberals want to denigrate, distort and divide the NRA organization and membership. It is incomprehensible why you would.

First, you have to decide whose side you are on. It's pretty obvious by posting regularly to discourage NRA support you are not on the side of gun owners.

Secondly, I would suggest you actually get and stay informed with “The First Freedom” NRA’s monthly magazine for the most consistent in depth info, reporting and analysis on NRAs positions and involvement on gun issues, laws, legislation, gun control, lawsuits and politics.

You can switch your subscription online to the print or the premium digital edition at no charge. If you want to switch or subscribe: http://www.nramemberservices.org

Check each week's issue of the Grassroots Alerts at http://www.NRAILA.org

You can also get the daily NRA-ILA legal, legislative and political RKBA e-mail alerts.
Subscribe free at https://secure.nraila.org/EmailSignup.aspx
 
Do you have specific legislation that they help draft and got a sponsor for? I gave you but one example, I can also show you were there recent interference caused constitutional carry to not go through here in NH, the NRA has a habit of jumping on board with legislation they had nothing to do with originally so they can say see look what we did.
 
Hypothetically speaking, you'd be better off giving your money to a hit man than the NRA. A hit man would get more done in less time for less money and the results would be permanent.
 
First, you have to decide whose side you are on. It's pretty obvious by posting regularly to discourage NRA support you are not on the side of gun owners.
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you caught me. I am a spy for the AG office, and I guess that most people that posted on this thread are my co-workers.

What has the NRA done for MA?

I used to get their crap when I was a member and still get it now that I am jot a member anymore. They always mention other states besides MA, if I pay, I expect to get something in return. At least local organizations, that dont have the money and power the NRA has, grew a pair of balls and decided to step up so we don't become the new NJ or Chicago or Manhattan.

Like I said before, the NRA can suck it. If you lived in Europe, you would know that the problems with gun laws over there go beyond the fact that they don't have an organization like the NRA. Go live there for a couple of years and you will understand why I said that.
 
Acujeff said:
Yeah the NRA does nothing for the RKBA. In fact, the NRA is responsible for all the gun control so they can get rich and wear suits! We should all resent the NRA for trying to keep us informed or get our support. If anyone posts facts to the contrary, don't address the issues or respond with facts, just call them names and point to something else, however inane, to change the subject. People will stop joining and supporting the NRA and then we can be just like....England.

So here's my response to what the NRA has done lately.

All gun owners benefit from the work done by the NRA, whether, or not, you are a member. For example - we all remember that in 1987 only 10 states recognized the right to carry. Today, due to the NRA, 49 states do. In 1994, there were only 8 states with range protection laws, today 47 states protect ranges.

Let's not forget what they've done for Preemption Laws, Castle Doctrine, Emergency Powers Laws, protecting gun owners and dealers privacy rights with the Tiahrt Amendment and Privacy Protection laws, Hunter Protection laws, "The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act”, the Heller and McDonald decisions, Workplace Protection laws, as well as fighting against the old and new AW bans, National Park and public housing firearms bans, UN Gun Control, Gun Show bans, ballistic fingerprinting, health insurance companies from charging gun owners higher premiums, and reforming the abuses of the BATFE (initiating the investigations of Fast and Furious and Operation Gunrunner). If you don’t know these issues, or know the numerous lawsuits and legislation NRA is actively involved with daily, throughout the country then you are not informed and not acknowledging all the NRA does.

To accomplish all the above, the NRA goes to courts and legislatures plenty of times to fight against gun control. If you "critics" are not giving the NRA credit for doing the job you are either unaware or purposely trying to misrepresent the facts to make NESers turn away from the NRA. Either way you are not acting in the best interests of gunowners.

It's easy to understand why the anti-RKBA media, democrats and liberals want to denigrate, distort and divide the NRA organization and membership. It is incomprehensible why you would.

First, you have to decide whose side you are on. It's pretty obvious by posting regularly to discourage NRA support you are not on the side of gun owners.

Secondly, I would suggest you actually get and stay informed with “The First Freedom” NRA’s monthly magazine for the most consistent in depth info, reporting and analysis on NRAs positions and involvement on gun issues, laws, legislation, gun control, lawsuits and politics.

You can switch your subscription online to the print or the premium digital edition at no charge. If you want to switch or subscribe: http://www.nramemberservices.org

Check each week's issue of the Grassroots Alerts at http://www.NRAILA.org

You can also get the daily NRA-ILA legal, legislative and political RKBA e-mail alerts.
Subscribe free at https://secure.nraila.org/EmailSignup.aspx
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OK, confess. You work for them, right? That sounds like a pitch from those Kirby vacuums door to door salesmen.
 
I listed all the legislation that came to my mind - go to the links and references I provided for what they are doing now. You got an emotional bad feeling about something the NRA did one time. Well that doesn't undo the hundreds of things they did and are doing for the RKBA. Get over it.

Any you guys got a dispute with the facts and accomplishments the NRA is presenting then list your documentation and prove it. You show me that you have done more for the RKBA and I'll join up with you.

It's obvious you don't keep up to date with all the lawsuits and legislations the NRA is active, but than have the gall to complain about the mail they send you to inform you.

Your entitled to your unsubstantiated opinions but they sound petty and ridiculous, and in the same company of the antiRKBA media and politicians. Your self destructiveness and sabotage on a RKBA website explains why 60 million gunowners aren't working together to do even more, than anything the NRA is doing wrong.
 
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here you go
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vb...ll-filed-HB536?highlight=constitutional+carry

they had issues in PA and FL IIRC with the NRA "backing" of various bills, again they "back" bills but they seem to be backing bills in states like NH that really don't need there backing and ignoring states like IL and MA, the SAF and other organizations actually do help, GOAL, PGNH etc...

oh and you haven't linked anything but there how to subscribe, I already get all their BS emails

http://www.vlrc.org/articles/61.html
 
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