Shouldn't pelly be in jail? He was the one with the standard cap magazine in the boob tube story a while ago, correct?
That was David Gregory.
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Shouldn't pelly be in jail? He was the one with the standard cap magazine in the boob tube story a while ago, correct?
In terms of a wackjob killing unarmed, unprotected people that can't escape, ultimately none of this really matters. Guys with a few handguns have wiped out
tons of people.
-Mike
Make no mistake, I don't disagree with you. But if we are talking 'lethality' of a weapon system, the AR and .223 is not the platform. It was never designed to be a lethal round from what I've read/heard/urban legend. It obviously does damage, but nothing like a 7.62 round of any caliber/type.
Make no mistake, I don't disagree with you. But if we are talking 'lethality' of a weapon system, the AR and .223 is not the platform. It was never designed to be a lethal round from what I've read/heard/urban legend. It obviously does damage, but nothing like a 7.62 round of any caliber/type.
Virginia TechIn terms of a wackjob killing unarmed, unprotected people that can't escape, ultimately none of this really matters. Guys with a few handguns have wiped out
tons of people.
-Mike
Not in New York. In the #1 case, the weapon of choice was airplanes. In the #2 case, it was one United States dollar's-worth of gasoline.The handgun is the weapon of choice for mass murderers, not the AR.
Excellent points here.... true as I understand it. In my earlier post I was only trying to rebut the reported Pelly assertion that ER docs live in fear of AR-15s... absolute BS. ER docs try to keep the patients alive until they can get to the OR.... A bullet hole is a bullet hole. Trauma surgeons do care about and study this stuff. But even they only deal with what they find when they open the patient up. And I'm only telling you what you already know, when I say that there is politics in medicine.... Plenty of doctors own guns... and ARs.... They don't get quoted on CBS.2200 fps. That seems to be the velocity that separates temporary and permanent wound cavities. Rounds traveling above that velocity can have serious affects on soft tissue and organs not directly impacted by the round itself. We are stretchy, soft, gelatinous blobs and that 2200 fps threshold makes a difference. Of course, shot placement matters. A slower round that expands has a great chance of doing significant harm as well. As many have said before, hard vs. soft targets would seem to have the greatest bearing on body count.
Didn't Revolutionary and Civil War era ammunition cause pretty horrific damage to the human body?
Since the primary utility of firearms is to kill things, wouldn't it be expected that people would be drawn to firearms that do so most efficiently thus improving their own survival chances during armed conflict? Wait, you mean people don't generally focus their attention on the least effective tool for the job?
If we were judging by amount killed, yes, but the media of course wants to demonize firearms and especially the AR and therefore they're trying to give the impression that every time there's a mass murder an AR is used.Not in New York. In the #1 case, the weapon of choice was airplanes. In the #2 case, it was one United States dollar's-worth of gasoline.
The same characteristics that led the MA state patrol boys write a paper saying it makes a fine defensive weapon.What makes the AR-15 style rifle the weapon of choice for mass shooters?
They actually talk about ballistics in this one.
No problem. Ban them all. Get them off the street. Like Japan. Then someone will just burn down the next nightclub (or school, or church or whatever) and kill just as many, with less chance of survival.Not in New York. In the #1 case, the weapon of choice was airplanes. In the #2 case, it was one United States dollar's-worth of gasoline.
Media ignored it all. Handguns used...Saturday 6/12
12:10a 7600 S Marquette, South Shore, M/21
1:10a 3700 W Augusta, Humboldt Park, M/22
2:05a 7500 S Prairie, Grand Crossing, F/29 - Fatal
2:05a 7500 S Prairie, Grand Crossing, M/23 Wounded
2:05a 7500 S Prairie, Grand Crossing, M/23
2:05a 7500 S Prairie, Grand Crossing, M/26
2:05a 7500 S Prairie, Grand Crossing, M/27
2:05a 7500 S Prairie, Grand Crossing, M/30
2:05a 7500 S Prairie, Grand Crossing, M/32
2:05a 7500 S Prairie, Grand Crossing, F/34
2:05a 7500 S Prairie, Grand Crossing, M/41
2:05a 7500 S Prairie, Grand Crossing, M/46
2:05a 4300 S Champlain, Grand Boulevard, M/42
10:20a 11800 S Eggleston, West Pullman, M/35
Yes, they always ignore what happens in democrat run cities and except for Vegas the overwhelming # of public mass shootings with the highest body counts have been with handguns too.The "mass shootings" they always refer to are about a dozen over the course of several years.
Yet the media NEVER speaks about the mass shootings that under their made up definition occure weekly in cities like Chicago..
For instance, on Saturday in that city, the following evenrts happened...
Media ignored it all. Handguns used...
Well, 1200 FPS is just over 800 mph. And 3000 FPS is roughly 3 times 1125 FPS, so ball park numbers check out.He was comparing the speed of the bullets . . . 9mm vs. "AR bullets" (as he called them). One of them he claimed travel 800mph (I think it was the 9mm)! The AR bullets (his terminology) he claimed traveled 3x the speed of sound!
Real accurate piece . . . of shit reporting.
A post was just made to a video I've watched on YouTube. Scrolling through the comments, I found this one below. Probably fits in with Pelly's comments about the "bullets just explode".Pelley still pushes the bullets 'explode' shit, too. He waited to get that in there. Then the woman parrots it. Stopped watching there.
However, when I stand on my soap box I feel like Demi Moore in a Few Good Men, 'I strenuously object'. Then I end up having the judge call the witness an expert. LOL