So DHS won't be needing all that ammo they bought then? When can we group buy?
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So DHS won't be needing all that ammo they bought then? When can we group buy?
Yup.I think drgrant hit it on the nose..."The real war against gun culture is being waged RIGHT NOW, to the tune of trying to get society to turn against us, by demonizing firearms and owners, through various means."
Just look at freedom of speech and right to privacy in this country right now. It's the rise of Little Brother and social media we have to worry about, not Big Brother. We're turning on ourselves...well, Liberals are anyway. Not exactly sure how you fight off an army of anonymous ass backward do gooders.
Let me toss some common sense on the fire here Sam.
Yes, LEOs that I know and work with have discussed this at length, we speculate just like everybody else. We look at actual prior incidents too, the latest from CA and PA respectively. In both instances, one man, one, put an entire state on lockdown. One held out for a short time, due to his impatience (my opinion), one held out for quite a bit longer. Either way, both those guys demonstrated just how easy an armed,trained, angry,motivated populace would absolutely destroy LE. I have news for you, LE wants no part of "go time" on any scale bigger than Phillips and Matarsaraneau.
When I was in Afghanistan, there were multiple instances when 4 or 5 TB hemmed up a company strength element for 8 hours at a time, and we had AWT and CAS.
The US military and LE would lose big in this country if "go time" ever came around, and we know it.
To the contrary. Our numbers do not out number federal and united nations troops.
Reuters said:The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world, a report released on Tuesday said.
U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.
About 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year are purchased in the United States, it said.
"There is roughly one firearm for every seven people worldwide. Without the United States, though, this drops to about one firearm per 10 people," it said.
US Citizens privately own more firearms than the top 10 countries combined.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/28/us-world-firearms-idUSL2834893820070828
Not the DHS Ammo conspiracy again. Hasn't that been debunked enough by now? The majority of that ammo hasn't even been manufactured yet.
The US military and LE would lose big in this country if "go time" ever came around, and we know it.
Yup.
And "teach the children well"... Start the brainwashing at the earliest stages.
("Class.. Pay attention.. Guns are Bad", ... Draw pictures of anything resembling a gun and you're suspended... Sorry, sir, even though you're just back from two tours in Iraq you can't surprise your third-grader daughter by showing up in your camo fatigues and.. "
" Blah blah brainwash blah". Teach a kid that the earth is flat and he'll never set foot in a boat. Hit em with Anti puke in pre-kindergaften and keep up the attack for the next 16+ years and eventually they'll breed yet another generation of brainwashed Antis... etc
Let me toss some common sense on the fire here Sam.
Yes, LEOs that I know and work with have discussed this at length, we speculate just like everybody else. We look at actual prior incidents too, the latest from CA and PA respectively. In both instances, one man, one, put an entire state on lockdown. One held out for a short time, due to his impatience (my opinion), one held out for quite a bit longer. Either way, both those guys demonstrated just how easy an armed,trained, angry,motivated populace would absolutely destroy LE. I have news for you, LE wants no part of "go time" on any scale bigger than Phillips and Matarsaraneau.
When I was in Afghanistan, there were multiple instances when 4 or 5 TB hemmed up a company strength element for 8 hours at a time, and we had AWT and CAS.
The US military and LE would lose big in this country if "go time" ever came around, and we know it.
As we saw in Katrina, they will do it if ordered.
I can't picture the Govt. going on a full retard "We're coming to take em all" campaign . Ever.
The risk of the consequences of losing would be way more than most gutless politicians would be willing to take.
Even winning would mean living the life of a banana republic dictator for the rest of your days.
Not a appealing thing to someone used to an American lifestyle
In the event of Katrina type situations I think it would the N.G. that would be used if it came to it.
As we saw in Katrina, they will do it if ordered.
Local L.E., outside of the big cities I don't think would want any part of that shit show and having to live with the fall out after the dust has settled.
When it's all said and done it's still your friends and neighbors you have to live with .
I think Kevin is right on the money (post #104), and I agree with you, .gov wont go full retard because they know its a lost cause.
Even bringing in the NG would be easily negated in a full on retard scenario, aside from the certain % of them that wouldnt follow an illegal or unethical order, there is also a certain % that would do the bare minimum to get by, because ultimately they know where their bread is buttered.
I dont know of any instances of the locals in NO telling the LE and NG to pound sand in regards to firearms confiscation , Id like to think their were some. Ive launched the interoggative " if you lived in Watertown when the big kabooms went down, and being 100% confident the bad guy wasnt in your house, would you still let the search teams into your house?" at a metric shit ton of LE. Most answer yes, and say go along to get along. This is where we are failing. People ( LE included) are ****ing afraid to say no to the cops, and take responsibility.
if they ever brought UN troops in to take guns away from americans that is when the real slaughter would start.
Do people really think a bunch of euro faggots are going to leave their husbands behind to put a blue helmet on and come to the US to try and take our guns? I thought this was just something people joked about at the range and in gun shops.
I don't think that in either NOLA or Watertown that pound sand was an option.
When you answer your door and your looking down a few rifle barrels the options are pretty limited.
The only one I recall that made a fuss during Katrina ,at least on vidio was the grandma that got the shit kicked out of her.
I'm positive the guys with a conscience would take a pass.
Your then left with the real pips.
People got caught by surprise.
There hasn't been anything done like that in recent history.
I'll bet a repeat performance down there would end up very different.
Lets get one thing straight, no Friggen way on this earth would the US allow UN troops on our soil for anything let alone assisting with a major operation that has to do with US citizens.
Again ZERO chance.
Lets get one thing straight, no Friggen way on this earth would the US allow UN troops on our soil for anything let alone assisting with a major operation that has to do with US citizens.
Again ZERO chance.
They have our military serve under a UN command and you honestly think foreign troops will be an issue for them ?
Remember Michael New ?http://www.jefflindsay.com/MichaelNew.shtml
Im sure you can find you tube videos that show the over seas troops training with american military..
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wher...ers-are-on-american-soil-oh-right-here_082012
Wait, wait. So UN troops could be inbound?
Ed, I have since stolen NEMLECs MRAP (or is it a ****ing bearcat!) and Im heading your way. Im pie eyed, but thats irrelevant because Im an LEO and can get out of an OUI.
Where the **** is C Thomas Howell and his horse ? Actually send Ms. Thompson my way and Ill give up the key to the city.
I lost my keys.
You crack me up..As early as 1978 when I was in boot camp in San Diego troops from the middle east were training at NTC..
I can only guess what troops are in the US since then and now training or what ever you would like to call it.
So yes I have no doubt that foreign troops are here or could soon be here in any role the military wants them to serve in.
Wait, youre a Cali Marine? That splains it!
Kidding.
If you were the CIC, would you put UN troops in CONUS in a peacekeeping capacity?
I hope your answer was good god no or something along those lines.
Of course you referenced San Diego for bootcamp ( Whales Vagina) which instamatically makes me think of MCRD San Diego , yet in the same sentence you reference NTC (clearly a US Army thing) . A true jarhead woulda referenced the Stumps or the CAX.
You may be a spy.
But, Ive been drinking since about 1432 the day prior to this post.