What happened to the petition signatures?

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Signatures collected and submitted.
Are we waiting for certification of signatures?
Is the law on hold?
Did entire signature drive go to waist due to signing of emergency preamble?
 
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40 Creedmoor fan said:
Signatures collected and submitted I assume. Are we waiting for certification of signature or we lost that avenue? Can someone explain what's next please.
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Healey filed the emergency preamble which implemented her Unconstitutional Law immediately and also meant that no matter how many signatures were gathered, the petition to put it on the ballot and suspend the law until the voters had their say, was cut off at the knees.

This was predicted by many as to what would happen.

GOAL has filed a lawsuit and they are awaiting a Judge to be assigned to the case.
 
HARRYM said:
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Read the thread, not the article linked in the thread.

Basically though, Healey signed an emergency preamble once we had enough signatures to delay implementation of the bill until the next statewide election in 2026.

Her emergency preamble blocked the delay, and ended up enacting the law 3 weeks earlier than it would have been enacted.

Now, all the petition signatures get us is a ballot question in 2026. … it will be a landslide in favor of Ch 135..
 
PappyM3 said:
Read the thread, not the article linked in the thread.

Basically though, Healey signed an emergency preamble once we had enough signatures to delay implementation of the bill until the next statewide election in 2026.

Her emergency preamble blocked the delay, and ended up enacting the law 3 weeks earlier than it would have been enacted.

Now, all the petition signatures get us is a ballot question in 2026. … it will be a landslide in favor of Ch 135..
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There are multiple challenges in play both direct and indirect.
If Chpt 135 makes it to Nov 2026, it getting the approval of the Uber left isn't going to matter.

If there hadn't been a massive response in the signature campaign, do you think that the state would have published that long guns are good to sell even if they aren't on a roster? Or back off from the initial interpretation that no new licenses could be issued until the new training is implemented?

They backed off because they knew that banning new licenses and the commercial sale of long guns would result in immediate injunctions in the courts.
 
PappyM3 said:
Read the thread, not the article linked in the thread.

Basically though, Healey signed an emergency preamble once we had enough signatures to delay implementation of the bill until the next statewide election in 2026.

Her emergency preamble blocked the delay, and ended up enacting the law 3 weeks earlier than it would have been enacted.

Now, all the petition signatures get us is a ballot question in 2026. … it will be a landslide in favor of Ch 135..
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F that. Send me $5 to read the thread, Creed. I'm the paywall now!
 
pastera said:
There are multiple challenges in play both direct and indirect.
If Chpt 135 makes it to Nov 2026, it getting the approval of the Uber left isn't going to matter.

If there hadn't been a massive response in the signature campaign, do you think that the state would have published that long guns are good to sell even if they aren't on a roster? Or back off from the initial interpretation that no new licenses could be issued until the new training is implemented?

They backed off because they knew that banning new licenses and the commercial sale of long guns would result in immediate injunctions in the courts.
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I reckon the state was trying to hedge against injunctions more than appeasing the petition signatories. But, we’ll probably never know. All speculation.
 
pastera said:
The state is going through the signatures to put us all on a list of deplorables.
Once the digital dollar is rolled out, you won't be allowed to buy dessert since you made Herr Healy unhappy.
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They have your names already if you legally bought a gun in MA or are a registered republican...but yeah....this is just another checklist for them.
 
pastera said:
There are multiple challenges in play both direct and indirect.
If Chpt 135 makes it to Nov 2026, it getting the approval of the Uber left isn't going to matter.

If there hadn't been a massive response in the signature campaign, do you think that the state would have published that long guns are good to sell even if they aren't on a roster? Or back off from the initial interpretation that no new licenses could be issued until the new training is implemented?

They backed off because they knew that banning new licenses and the commercial sale of long guns would result in immediate injunctions in the courts.
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I just liked the fact that you guys backed her fat ass into a corner and made her do a preamble that they obviously weren't ready for and it looked bad for her signing it.

That is a win in my book.
 
PappyM3 said:
I reckon the state was trying to hedge against injunctions more than appeasing the petition signatories. But, we’ll probably never know. All speculation.
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Not really speculation.......

Not being able to buy a long gun especially around hunting season.....would have gotten some attention of the courts.
 
PappyM3 said:
I reckon the state was trying to hedge against injunctions more than appeasing the petition signatories. But, we’ll probably never know. All speculation.
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Agree the declaration that long guns could be sold contrary to the actual law was to avoid an immediate injunction.
Reigning in police departments over their completely tyrannical interpretation of the new training requirements was also to avoid judicial scrutiny.

The timing of the two declarations was designed to do two things.
1 - make it extremely hard for us to get an injunction
2 - appease the very large numbers of pissed off FUD-light types so that they stay out of the political fight.
There are a significant number of people who normally wouldn't vote got real political, real fast through the signature campaign. That anger would have been most acute right now, two weeks before the election, had the bill been effective on the 22nd. And she couldn't let her voter base go postal over allowing us gun nuts to override "the will of the people".

So she took the most expedient path - sign the preamble early, allow the gun sales they had hope to completely extinguish, and hope the gun community calmed down in the following five weeks.
Remember a lot of local races are decided by a handful of votes so another 30-40k votes from conservatives could push enough races to give closet conservatives hope enough to believe they can make a difference.
 
I never underestimate Leftists. Maura knew the petition would happen and knew full well she would do the emergency preamble. As I said a Judge hasn't even been assigned to the case. MA stands 85% behind Maura and they know they have little to fear. They have learned that it takes years to get a case before higher courts and that's what they are banking on. In the meantime they also bank on the older folks dying off, many simply giving up their licenses or FFL status. The know the younger generation isn't strong on the 2A and they know they will win the long game.
 
HARRYM said:
I never underestimate Leftists. Maura knew the petition would happen and knew full well she would do the emergency preamble. As I said a Judge hasn't even been assigned to the case. MA stands 85% behind Maura and they know they have little to fear. They have learned that it takes years to get a case before higher courts and that's what they are banking on. In the meantime they also bank on the older folks dying off, many simply giving up there licenses or FFL status. The know the younger generation isn't strong on the 2A and they know they will win the long game.
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Sadly, I think you've nailed it.
 
HARRYM said:
I never underestimate Leftists. Maura knew the petition would happen and knew full well she would do the emergency preamble.
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I doubt that. If she always intended to do the preamble, she'd have done it that day and headed off whatever momentum our side got off the signature drive. That drive made her look slightly embarrassed; why would she have gone through that if she always meant to preamble it?
 
Picton said:
I doubt that. If she always intended to do the preamble, she'd have done it that day and headed off whatever momentum our side got off the signature drive. That drive made her look slightly embarrassed; why would she have gone through that if she always meant to preamble it?
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Checker players always make the first move. Chess players let the opponent make the first move. She puts the law out there and waits, if she doesn't need the preamble move fine, but she did and she knew she would move that chess piece if she had to. She is not worried about image, how it looks, she has total power in this state and Leftists are never embarrassed, only quietly planning their next move.
 
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