Welfare Check??? What if I don't answer the door? Or, if I do, close the door on the police?

Buck F said:
In your experience, does the door breaking happen mostly when the door isn't answered or even when it is?
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I've never seen it broken down with a person on the other side whose physical able to open it.

I did have one really weird one that we showed up to. Wellbeing check for a frequent flyer location. We enter in through the front door, it's a 2 family house. Head up the stairs to the door to the second floor unit. We could hear both an old woman yelling and groaning and then all of a sudden we could here a young males voice talking back to us but faint. We were like who the f*** is that guy? We were reasonably familiar with this family and we didnt recognize him. After a minute of yelling at each other through the door we realized that he was actually in the rear staircase at the rear entrance yelling through the door like we were [rofl] clown show.

anyway we forced the door and probably saved that old lady. she was on her way out. That was the last call I had at that house.
 
FPrice said:
How were my decisions bad?
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NES said so. Don't talk to police. Even though most are OK and just doing their job. But warrantless searches aren't exactly smart either.

Realistically in MA....if you have your guns lying around its a problem right...so I get it.

My kids called 911 a time or two over the years while learning phones or playing with the phone as toddlers. I simply just answered the door and told them that, said sorry, and they smiled and went on their way.

Not that you can't be swatted or something....but I'd assume if you answered the door and have a conversation on what its about they aren't looking to enter the property unless something doesn't make sense.
 
I went to drop kids off at a home daycare years ago and door was locked ( normally open and would just walk in at 8am) Knocked on the door called texted went around back knocked on door. Other parents are arriving very out of character for no daycare lady so called the PD I was thinking CO problem as it was just heating season or who knows what but was worried she also had small children. PD show bang on doors bang on windows they were calling supervisor to get permission to make forced entry when daycare lady answers door apparently overslept bedroom door closed couldn't hear anything. I am all for not inviting the man into my life or anybody's but can't just walk away from something like that.
 
Reptile said:
Is it safe to assume the police will try calling me on my cell or home phone first.
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That's not a safe assumption.

About 3 weeks ago, a town police officer paid my house a visit. One of my doorbell cameras alerted me, and I saw the cop get out of the car and walk out of the video. At first, they did not knock or ring, but did so after a couple of minutes. He claimed that a contractor "butt dialed" 911 and he was doing a welfare check. He didn't try to put a foot in the door or ask if he could come in and quickly left I told him there was no emergency.

I have nothing to complain about for this interaction.
 
Buck F said:
This happened to me twice. I have two daughters w/ severe autism, one day while one of them was at the office she picked up the phone and dialed 911 because they learned to dial 911 in school. I walk by her desk and see she has the phone to her ear, which wasn't uncommon because sometimes she'd pick it up and have scripted conversations w/ herself. I hear her answering questions without her asking herself the questions, which was the usual pattern. I take the phone and ask who's there "this is 911 dispatch". I told them the situation and they said they understood, but procedure is they need to send a cruiser out. I told them to be prepared that my daughter tends to give rote answers which may (probably) won't be an actual answer to their question (a la Rainman when Tom Cruise yells "He's answering a question I asked ten minutes ago!"). Female cop came, very understanding, ended without incident.

A month or two later same thing happened (have since disconnected the phone at her desk), they said the were sending a cruiser out. I waited 15 mins but we were closed so finally we just left the office. Didn't hear anything from the police after that.

I'm terrified of police encounters with my girls. One tends to answer "yeah" to almost all questions, the other "no". You can imagine what could happen if the police asks "is someone harming you? "are you feeling safe? Etc. One of them will often change her answer if you repeat a question since she thinks she may have given the wrong answer. Lots of things could go wrong if the cops question my kids although I imagine that eventually they'd catch on that my daughters answers aren't reliable. Not overly worried if we ever ended up in a courtroom because if you know how to ask them questions you can get any answer you want out of them, and I could coach a lawyer to ask questions in a manner that a jury would understand the answers aren't reliable, but it would still be a major headache.
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My sister pretty much knew every officer in the district when my niece was young - between calling to talk to someone or escaping at odd hours.

Having the local first responders very familiar with your disabled children is a good thing - even down to them knowing that a particular child will resist with force if you try to move them but if you put their hand on your shoulder they will unquestioningly follow you (while having an odd conversation at, not with, you)

I fear for my nephew who is highly functional so his autism isn't immediately apparent to someone not familiar with autistic persons in stressful situations.
 
Reptile said:
Today was a wonderful day. I buried a cache of pre 8/1 guns in the ground in another state so nothing much of value at home. Nobody can confiscate something I don't have and I don't have to register anything for 2 years. By that time there will be widespread non-compliance so I might not need to worry much. Also, no need to register what is not in Massachusetts.
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Those are gone.
WHAT? After all your previous posts about burying your stuff you didn’t think someone would start staking out your place and watching your movements?
Did you not notice the GPS trackers affixed to your vehicle and Rukus?

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FPrice said:
Something which you have no knowledge of, yet felt qualified to comment on and judge.
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So if it was some special situation where you really needed to call and invite the state and local cops inside of your house - maybe there was an active home intruder or or something - why even mention it in this thread except to imply to everyone that it's totally cool to open the door and invite them in?
 
The staties were investigating a report of shots fired in the local area. It was raining so I asked them in (one male, one female, plain clothes). Couldn't help them, it was raining that day and my windows were closed. They expressed appreciation for my speaking to them.

I've had a positive relationship with my local police ever since I moved here some 30 years ago.

You walk into my house and you would not know that I have any firearms. They aare all squirreled away somewhere.

I think it is "totally cool" to be polite and have good relationships

YMMV.

PS: I speak only about things I can attest to. Nothing more.
 
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