"We can't explain it," Menino says of holiday violence

[Another_David]

There's really no point in discussing this further. If you prefer the Mafia over other criminals then so be it.

 

[Scrivener]

There's really no point in discussing this further. If you prefer the Mafia over other criminals then so be it.

You evade the issue.

The question is not whether one "prefers" the Mafia over another criminal enterprise; it is whether the Mafia is more or less likely than newer criminal organizations to involve non-combatants in its turf wars. I contend the Mafia is less likely to and you have offered no evidence to the contrary.

 

[seanc]

I propose the following solution..

We have a Rolling Rally, that culimates in a candle light vigil.

This vigil will raise awareness that if only These previously convicted felons (that were either released early do to good behavior or on one of their weekend max security prison releases) would just limit themselves to one low capacity gun a month and always carry them with a Mass approved trigger lock all of this could have been avoided!

And further, I want to know who the chief of police is that is responsible for issuing these previously convicted felons the LTC class A? there is no way that these good people would be out there carrying a gun without the proper LTC.

So in summary I propose the following..
1. We need to make Murder illegal.
2. We need to make shooting at people for no good reason illegal.
3. we need to make felons carrying concealed weapons illegal.
4 we need to make it illegal for felons to buy guns.
5 we need to stop issuing LTCs to felons.

Once we do this I am sure the crime issues will go away.
Can I just get a "YES WE CAN?!"

 

[Dressed to Kill]

I said nothing about a "code" and a threat or extortion is clearly aimed a target and, therefore, by definition not collateral damage.

Name an incident in which by-standers have been injured by a Mafia hit.

While hardly an exemplary organization, the Mafia does not engage in the "kill them all, let God sort them out" type of terrorism manifested by newer urban parasites.

Here is one example :

On January 4, 1982, Joseph's competitors struck again, chasing him and his 31-year old son Joseph Jr. down a street in the residential section of Graesend in Brooklyn. The pursued men screeched to a halt at 431 Lake St. and ran up the stairs onto the front porch of a modest brick duplex. The Perainos pounded on the door seeking refuge until a barrage of gunfire cut them down. The father was seriously wounded in the buttocks and legs; the son was hit six times in the head and killed. An innocent bystander was also killed.

http://www.raids.org/eabelson.htm

Another :

One contender for the title of Toronto boss, Pietro Scarcella,
was recently given 11 years in jail for a botched hit on a rival that
left a female bystander paralyzed. Scarcella reportedly intended to
kill reputed Sicilian mobster Michele Modica at a North York sand-
wich shop. Louise Russo, mother of three, was struck by flying
lead and left paralyzed. Modica has since been deported to Italy.

http://64.233.169.104/custom?q=cache:eqzJLJnDET8J:www.onewal.com/mn200609.pdf+innocent+bystander&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=pub-5352282497233640

Another :

Five days after their attempt on Scarpa's life, Orena supporters came back hard, gunning down Henry "Hank the Bank" Smurra outside a doughnut shop in Brooklyn. This hit team was led by William "Wild Bill" Cutolo.

War broke out. Twelve men died in all. Cutolo killed three himself, as did Scarpa for the Persico camp. Two of the victims were innocent bystanders. Fifteen other people were seriously wounded.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gangsters_outlaws/family_epics/colombo/7.html

Another :

On August 16, 1921, Magaddino was arrested as a fugitive from justice involving a murder that took place in Avon, New Jersey. Shortly after this, Magaddino and Gaspar Milazzo were shot at as they walked out of a Brooklyn store. The attempted ambush resulted in the death of two innocent bystanders. The shooting attempt had been made by members of the Buccellato clan. The retaliation would claim the lives of several Buccellato men. When police suspected Magaddino and Milazzo, the both left Brooklyn for Buffalo and Detroit, respectively.

http://www.americanmafia.com/Cities/Buffalo.html


Another :

Last Thursday, the lone fugitive in the Gambino case, Nicholas "Little Nick" Corozzo, strolled up to the FBI's office and surrendered on charges he ordered a decades-old gangland hit that took an innocent bystander's life. He was ordered held without bail after pleading not guilty to racketeering, extortion and murder charges

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=104&sid=1415340



I'm sure I could find more

 

[Dressed to Kill]

Another example :


The broadening civil war for control of the Colombo organized-crime family yesterday claimed the life of an innocent victim, an 18-year-old youth working in a Brooklyn bagel shop who the police said was shot to death when he was mistaken for someone else.


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE1D7113AF93AA35751C1A967958260

Another :


Death of child in underworld bombing arouses Youngstown citizens (UPI) This steel city appeared aroused today help over the senseless killing of 11year-old Tommy Cavallaro, the and INNOCENT victim in an apparent underworld slaying. This Northeastern Ohio area, which has taken the series of killings and bombings in stride as a private war between hoodlums was jolted when Tommy was blown to bits along with his fath er, who had a long police record of suspected underworld connecrecent tions. Mayor Harry Sevasten asked Where to turn For sporfs fans Basketball has t...

http://www.newspaperarchive.com/Lan...cent victims&img=\\na0013\719677\8574768.html

Another :

Two men who were shot to death in an East Side restaurant last Friday were innocent bystanders who were mistaken for two Mafia mobsters by an underworld hit man, a federal... http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes...en+Believed+Victims+of+Mob+Error&pqatl=google Another : March 8, 1952 – Arnold Schuster was an innocent man murdered on the orders of Albert Anastasia because Anastasia had seen on the news that Schuster had spotted bank robber Willie Sutton on the street and had notified police. The "Mad Hatter," who despised rats, covered his ass by having Schuster’s killer, Frederick Tenuto, murdered. Tenuto’s body has never been found. This information did not become public until Joseph Valachi became a government witness in 1963.

http://www.americanmafia.com/Mob_Report/3-11-02_Mob_Report.html

Another :

March 11, 1960 – S. Joseph "Sandy" Naples and Mary Ann Vrancich were cut down on the porch of the Vrancich home. Naples was a major influence in the gambling operations in the Mahoning Valley and had a long and colorful career in Youngstown. His young girl friend was an innocent victim. http://www.americanmafia.com/Mob_Report/3-11-02_Mob_Report.html Another : September 24, 1976 – Frank Pircio was the first innocent victim of Cleveland’s Bombing War during the mid-1970s. The intended victim, Allie Calabrese, had parked his Lincoln Continental in Pircio’s driveway the night before. When Pircio went to move it in the morning he was killed instantly by the explosion.

http://www.americanmafia.com/Mob_Report/9-24-01_Mob_Report.html

Another :


January 10, 1932 – Mrs. Fernando Serrano was the innocent victim of a murder attempt made on her husband, a South Florida gambler. According to our Tampa expert Scott Deitche, "Fernando Serrano, who ran a bolito operation, was sitting in his car on 15th Street in Ybor City, Florida with his wife, and talking to his brother. A Ford pulled up next to the Serrano’s car and opened fire with a shotgun. Mrs. Serrano took a load of s buckshot in her face and was dead on arrival at the hospital." Fernando was only slightly wounded. No one was ever charged.


http://www.americanmafia.com/Mob_Report/1-7-02_Mob_Report.html

Another : May 11, 1982 – Michael Donahue and Brian Halloran were gunned down outside a restaurant on the South Boston waterfront. Donahue, the son of a police officer, was an innocent victim. The target, Halloran, was murdered on the orders of Winter Hill Gang leaders Stephen "the Rifleman" Flemmi and James "Whitey" Bulger who had been leaked information by rogue FBI agent John Connolly that Halloran was trying to strike a deal with the FBI by providing information on the two.


http://www.americanmafia.com/Mob_Report/5-6-02_Mob_Report.html


Another : ENTER ‘BIG SAL’ MICIOTTA AND ANTHONY ‘GASPIPE’ CASSO “Big Sal” was a 300 pound drug dealer and murderer for the Colombo Mafia Family, whereas “Gaspipe” Casso was the Underboss of the Luchese Family, who will go down in Mafia history as one of the most prolific murderers of all time. When Big Sal became a co-operating witness in 1993, the timing of his ‘flipping’ could not have been more to his advantage. From the early to mid 1990s, the Colombo Family had been disrupted by an internal Mob war that pitted those loyal to imprisoned Godfather Carmine “The Snake” Persico against those of rivals led by Underboss Victor Orena. Before the war was over, at least 11 people would be dead, including at least one innocent bystander, and it was clear to law enforcement that someone within their own ranks, either a crooked NYPD cop or FBI agent, was leaking information to Colombo Family members that resulted in some of the murders. “Big Sal” said he knew just who that person was and would be willing to wear a wire on him in order to get his ‘get-out-of-jail-free’ card


http://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_297.html


Again I could find more if I was motivated.

 

[clinotus]

If the data you are posting came from wide ranging queries such as "Mafia OR Mob AND Shots OR bystander OR innocent"; that data is invalid as you have offered no valid source for the comparison.

To be honest I'd like to see the query you use for the comparative data. Will you use "black on black", "Urban", “Mexican Cartel”? What point are you trying to make here?

 

[Dressed to Kill]

If the data you are posting came from wide ranging queries such as "Mafia OR Mob AND Shots OR bystander OR innocent"; that data is invalid as you have offered no valid source for the comparison.

To be honest I'd like to see the query you use for the comparative data. Will you use "black on black", "Urban", “Mexican Cartel”? What point are you trying to make here?

The ' data ' is valid here is his original claim


I said nothing about a "code" and a threat or extortion is clearly aimed a target and, therefore, by definition not collateral damage.

Name an incident in which by-standers have been injured by a Mafia hit.

While hardly an exemplary organization, the Mafia does not engage in the "kill them all, let God sort them out" type of terrorism manifested by newer urban parasites.

I provided many examples of the mafia clearly involving ' by-standers ' the debate wasn't who does it more often, which I wouldn't dispute hommie-G and his boyz reeking havoc in the hoods all across the U.S. are more numerous but in the end their all the same people with reckless disregard for their fellow human beings.

 

[the_shootist]

GREAT post! It underscores the madness we call liberalism in this state.

Thank you

I propose the following solution..

We have a Rolling Rally, that culimates in a candle light vigil.

This vigil will raise awareness that if only These previously convicted felons (that were either released early do to good behavior or on one of their weekend max security prison releases) would just limit themselves to one low capacity gun a month and always carry them with a Mass approved trigger lock all of this could have been avoided!

And further, I want to know who the chief of police is that is responsible for issuing these previously convicted felons the LTC class A? there is no way that these good people would be out there carrying a gun without the proper LTC.

So in summary I propose the following..
1. We need to make Murder illegal.
2. We need to make shooting at people for no good reason illegal.
3. we need to make felons carrying concealed weapons illegal.
4 we need to make it illegal for felons to buy guns.
5 we need to stop issuing LTCs to felons.

Once we do this I am sure the crime issues will go away.
Can I just get a "YES WE CAN?!"

 

[Scrivener]

Given the parameters I set, DressedToKill has found a significant number of incidents in which innocents were killed by what appear to have been Mafia shootings.

As with the rest of society, standards have clearly degenerated.

However, I suspect Mafia operations are still not targeting entire families and "collateral damage" is still far less on a per-incident basis than Columbian drug lords, MS-13, Bloods, Crips, Latin Kings, etc. generate.

 

[BoB13]

Someone please tell me there is a dumber mayor existing in this plane of reality than that inept bumbling moron.

 

[Scrivener]

Check out those in D.C.!

 

[Len-2A Training]

Nagin also comes to mind!

 

[Skald]

Bloomburg as well.

Can't forget Daly in Chicago.

 

[rwl1955]

Menino

Someone please tell me there is a dumber mayor existing in this plane of reality than that inept bumbling moron.

*****
Menino is not stupid. He is giving the people of Boston what they want, a super liberal Democrat Mayor. How many terms has he served? Way to many for my taste, but I`m not a Boston resident thank god.

 

[Fsorrent]

*****
Menino is not stupid. He is giving the people of Boston what they want, a super liberal Democrat Mayor. How many terms has he served? Way to many for my taste, but I`m not a Boston resident thank god.

The lemming- Nature's Retard
Boston Citizen- The countries lemmings

So by logic what does that make Boston citizens?

 

[KilgoreTrout]

Riverside - Menino created the problem in Hyde Park by "freeing up" housing for sect. 8. The man is FROM Hyde Park and he lets his buddies run slum upon slum in that section of town. I have relatives on BPD that refer to Hyde Park as "Port-Au-Park."