WC860 Surplus in the Northeast?

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Hey guys,

I'm looking for somewhere to buy some bulk surplus WC860 locally to avoid having to pay the ridiculous shipping and hazmat. Does anybody have a source? Does it show up at gun shows?

Thanks,

Steve
 
Thanks a lot for the pointers guys! I'll check with Glenn's.

Gerry, is that your price or something online?

Best,

Steve
 
Certainly report back if you find some at Glenn’s. I’m curious. Good luck.
 
I have not seen much in surplus powders lately.
I have come to like the w844
What are you using w860 for?
 
Certainly report back if you find some at Glenn’s. I’m curious. Good luck.

He had one of those W surplus powders when I was there black friday weekend. Not sure how active he is on email though, you're better off calling.
 
He had one of those W surplus powders when I was there black friday weekend. Not sure how active he is on email though, you're better off calling.

Yeah I always called him when I was looking for powder.
 
I have not seen much in surplus powders lately.
I have come to like the w844
What are you using w860 for?

Hey Mac,

I'm planning to reload 6.5 Swede wooden blanks. No need for high velocity, I mostly just want to enjoy cheap milsurp shooting. I was thinking any of the slow Ws would work for that application and be cheaper than canister powder.

Thanks,

Steve
 
Hey Mac,

I'm planning to reload 6.5 Swede wooden blanks. No need for high velocity, I mostly just want to enjoy cheap milsurp shooting. I was thinking any of the slow Ws would work for that application and be cheaper than canister powder.

Thanks,

Steve

As I've posted before (you're all bored with the picture), I have had plenty of fun with the Lyman 266469 (or any inexpensive bullet..Norm's 150g coated, for example) and 6 to 8 grains of virtually any pistol powder. Often some W452AA, W473AA, W571, etc. turns up for $6 or so...they all work.
 

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Certainly report back if you find some at Glenn’s. I’m curious. Good luck.

Hey,

Glenn answered my email and said that the person he sourced his surplus powder from passed away and that he sold out of his inventory at a gun show in Maine. He said that he's looking for a new source. Hopefully he finds one!

Steve
 
Hey,

Glenn answered my email and said that the person he sourced his surplus powder from passed away and that he sold out of his inventory at a gun show in Maine. He said that he's looking for a new source. Hopefully he finds one!

Steve

Darn. Well it can certainly be purchased online if you really want it badly. I know of only 1 source that has it...
 
Hey guys,

I'm looking for somewhere to buy some bulk surplus WC860 locally to avoid having to pay the ridiculous shipping and hazmat. Does anybody have a source? Does it show up at gun shows?

Thanks,

Steve

Do you think you are NOT paying that shipping and hazmat fees when buying powder by the pound at a local gun shop? Their cost is distributed among all the powder received in any one shipment, as are the hazmat fees. Both are just a fact of life when buying, shipping and transporting smokeless powder.

Also, what do consider bulk? I buy powder in 6 jug minimum quantities.....that is minimum "bulk". One jug of 8 pounds is not bulk.
 
It depends on how the powder is delivered. If direct deliver from vendor on their trucks there is no hazmat, fees ? Most likely yes.
I have not been involved in the club orders in a long time but anything over $2500 was shipped free with I believe a 2% fuel charge?
I can't ever remember seeing surplus powder at gun shows in say 10 years. Go back 20plus you could pick up the large carbaord drums from iirc 15-35lbs and no one batted a eye.

People are strange most surplus powder is still rather inexpensive still see some from $8-16/lb seen one supplier selling 28# for $300 shipped.
You do need to max out your orders to keep cost down.
Stocked up on free shipping over black Friday weekend.
I have a small group we combine our orders
 
Well, the goal is to reload 4800 6.5 Swede wooden blanks for personal use over the course of about 3 lifetimes, so I expect that would require 28-36 lbs of powder depending on which one I end up using.

Steve
 
I figure you must be running a extreme light load.
I honesty as cheap as I can be don't get why you would want to load wood bullets. Anyway
Must be a very light charge and maybe use something like trail boss?
I almost bought a case of those from Samco when I was thinking of getting into the sweed rifles. I was going to pull the bullets and just use the primed brass. Samco went under before I made a move.
I have no idea what charge weight you would need but even something like red dot will give you 5k plus loads with 8lbs.

I'm also curious where did you buy just the bullets.
 
Tag for interest. I've used lots of pulldown and surplus powder to good effect.
W844 is my favorite all though a bit dirty. I wish I bought more as when it surfaces now its $125/8lbs vs the $55 just a few years ago. Pulled bullets are no longer a good deal unless you finding some high end pulls like barnes.
Steve I would like to see some range report with the wooden bullets.
 
I honesty as cheap as I can be don't get why you would want to load wood bullets.
Anyway Must be a very light charge and maybe use something like trail boss?
I almost bought a case of those from Samco when I was thinking of getting into the sweed rifles.
I was going to pull the bullets and just use the primed brass. Samco went under before I made a move.
I have no idea what charge weight you would need but even something like red dot will give you 5k plus loads with 8lbs.
I'm also curious where did you buy just the bullets.

I suspect that he would also be pulling the bullets or firing them off to get the empty brass (assuming he has a supply of LRBs).
Those bullets won't print on paper from 10 yards, as I recall. I think I was almost able to get a splinter to hit paper at ten yards and beyond. I know there's a video with these somewhere...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFSebyY0WDs

Don't waste your time trying to target shoot with these at typical rifle ranges.

Perhaps an oak, teak or mahogany bullet would stay together for a bit. Don't know what the Japs used for wood, but I heard they used wood bullets to cause terrible wounds on flesh...can't say for certain.
 
im waiting on my friend to call back.
There where 2 types of wooden bullets from what he says. he said he will check his collection and call me back. he just could not remember what was what. He only said the Red boxed and Red bullets where blank/fire for affect rounds the bullets do not stay intact. He says he has some jacketed wooden bullets that are about as good as throwing rocks. He claims minute of man at 100 yards on a good day?
Sny how like to see the out come.
 
6.5 M/94 where whooden bullets but blanks. From what he told me these where used for training in loading and cycling exercises. He. Says they had a "gallery" load for practice at short range and indoors. 6.5 M\12
He only has 1 box of each and never bothered to weight any bullets or powder. He pulled down 2k assorted rounds and reused the primed brass with unique and cast bullets
 
I figure you must be running a extreme light load.
I honesty as cheap as I can be don't get why you would want to load wood bullets. Anyway
Must be a very light charge and maybe use something like trail boss?
I almost bought a case of those from Samco when I was thinking of getting into the sweed rifles. I was going to pull the bullets and just use the primed brass. Samco went under before I made a move.
I have no idea what charge weight you would need but even something like red dot will give you 5k plus loads with 8lbs.

I'm also curious where did you buy just the bullets.

Hey Mac,

Sorry for the late reply. I think I may not have explained myself well. The plan is to pull the bullets and dump the powder as you were planning to do, using these cases as primed brass. I want to load with a casefull of WC872 and seat a 130-140 gr projectile that I will swage from .17 rimfire brass. I've switched from searching for WC860 to WC872. The WC872 is slightly cheaper and slightly slower. I will get less velocity but will also be even further (albeit slightly) from the pressure design specs of these rifles and should have low throat and bore erosion.

Steve
 
I suspect that he would also be pulling the bullets or firing them off to get the empty brass (assuming he has a supply of LRBs).
Those bullets won't print on paper from 10 yards, as I recall. I think I was almost able to get a splinter to hit paper at ten yards and beyond. I know there's a video with these somewhere...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFSebyY0WDs

Don't waste your time trying to target shoot with these at typical rifle ranges.

Perhaps an oak, teak or mahogany bullet would stay together for a bit. Don't know what the Japs used for wood, but I heard they used wood bullets to cause terrible wounds on flesh...can't say for certain.


Yeah, I'm not planning to use the wooden bullets at all. I'll be pulling the bullets, dumping the powder and replacing with surplus powder and swaged jacketed bullets. Wood sounds very difficult to achieve any results with. The brass is berdan primed, so I won't be firing the bullets either. Maybe they'll make good tinder or something?

Steve
 
Once you get these, reload them and fire them off, hold onto them, unless you think the berdan primers will never be available again in the US. The KV-7,62N are what you'll want. You might find them in PMC packaging as LRB's, too. (I doubt that PMC still carries them currently.)
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Oh that would be awesome, thanks a lot for the info! I've seen hydraulic decapping for berdan primers and it actually doesn't look that bad.

Steve
 
I've seen hydraulic decapping for berdan primers and it actually doesn't look that bad.

No problem. The Swiss GP-11 decaps very nicely with water and a broken Lee 30 caliber decapper. You'll have to find a rod for 6.5mm, but that shouldn't be a big deal.
FWIW, the RCBS tool works pretty well when adjusted correctly, but it's much more expensive than a simple metal rod and water.
Some primers just don't come out readily and should go into the scrap bucket, unless you simply like to waste all your time and energy to save one piece of brass. I've found South African 7.62x51 can be tough and GEVELOT 7.62 MOD 49 are almost impossible.
 

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I've switched from searching for WC860 to WC872. The WC872 is slightly cheaper and slightly slower. I will get less velocity but will also be even further (albeit slightly) from the pressure design specs of these rifles and should have low throat and bore erosion.

Speaking of WC872, I was looking for data for H570 and it was mentioned as being similar to WC872. Can't say if this is so, but it was mentioned in some of the forum posts.
In case anyone is looking for data on older powders, such as H570, I did find the following (can't guarantee this data, of course):

H570 Data

From Hornady Handbook, 1979

.264 Winchester Magnum - Win. case, Rem. 9 ½ primer
140-gr. Spire Point - 71.3 to 76.0 grs. - 2900 to 3100 fps
160-gr. Round Nose - 66.1 to 71.7 - 2500 to 2800

7mm Remington Magnum - Peters case, Fed. 215 primer
175-gr. Spire Point - 71.6 to 76.6 - 2600 to 2800

.300 H&H Magnum - Win. case, Win 120 primer
220-gr. Round Nose - 68.0 to 78.0 - 2300 to 2600


From Speer #6, 1964

.257 Roberts Ackley Improved - Remington case, Rem. 9 ½ primer
100-gr. Speer 257-100-6-SP - 56.0 to 60.0 - 2705 to 2934 fps
120-gr. Speer 257-120-10-SP - 56.0 to 60.0 - 2699 to 2865

.25-06 Remington - Arsenal case (reformed .30-'06?) - CCI 200 primer
100-gr. Speer 257-100-6-SP - 59.0 to 63.0 - 3035 to 3253 fps
120-gr. Speer 257-120-10-SP - 59.0 to 63.0 - 2924 to 3113 fps

.257 Weatherby Magnum - Western cases, CCI 200 primer
100-gr. Speer 257-100-6-SP - 75.0 to 79.0 - 3132 to 3322 fps
120-gr. Speer 257-120-10-SP - 74.0 to 78.0 - 3034 to 3222

6.5x.257 Roberts - Remington case, Rem. 9 ½ primer
140-gr. Speer 263-140-10-SP - 53.0 to 57.0 - 2290 to 2492 fps

6.5x55mm Swedish Mauser - Norma cases, CCI 200 primer
140-gr. Speer 263-140-10-SP - 52.0 to 56.0 - 2315 to 2513 fps

.264 Winchester Magnum - Winchester case, CCI 200 primer
120-gr. Speer 263-120-6-SP - 75.0 to 79.0 - 3275 to 3457 fps
140-gr. Speer 263-140-10-SP - 71.0 to 75.0 - 3194 to 3313

.270 WCF - Remington case, CCI 200 primer
150-gr. Speer 277-150-6-SP - 61.0 to 65.0 - 2672 to 2820 fps
170-gr. Speer 277-170-GP-SP - 61.0 to 65.0 - 2612 to 2793

.270 Weatherby Magnum - Remington case, CCI 200 primer
130-gr. Speer 277-130-6-SP - 79.0 to 83.0 - 3175 to 3318 fps
150-gr. Speer 277-150-6-SP - 79.0 to 83.0 - 3106 to 3258
170-gr. Speer 277-170-GP-SP - 75.0 to 79.0 - 2882 to 3056

.280 Remington, 7mm-06, 7x64mm - Remington case, CCI 200 primer
145-gr. Speer 284-145-6-SP - 59.0 to 63.0 - 2540 to 2683 fps
59.0 grs. MAXIMUM for Model 760, 740 rifles
160-gr. Speer 284-160-10-SP - 59.0 to 63.0 - 2597 to 2761
59.0 grs. MAXIMUM for Model 760, 740 rifles

7x61 Sharpe & Hart - Norma case, CCI 200 primer
145-gr. Speer 284-145-6-SP - 73.0 to 77.0 - 2862 to 3055 fps
160-gr. Speer 284-160-10-SP - 73.0 to 77.0 - 2833 to 3034

7mm Remington Magnum - Remington case, CCI 250 primer
130-gr. Speer 284-130-6-SP - 79.0 to 83.0 - 3024 to 3191 fps
145-gr. Speer 284-145-6-SP - 79.0 to 83.0 - 2974 to 3156
160-gr. Speer 284-160-6-SP - 79.0 to 83.0 - 2962 to 3113

7mm Weatherby Magnum - Western case, CCI 200 primer
130-gr. Speer 284-130-6-SP - 80.0 to 84.0 - 3034 to 3189 fps
145-gr. Speer 284-145-6-SP - 78.0 to 82.0 - 2943 to 3080
160-gr. Speer 284-160-6-SP - 78.0 to 82.0 - 2916 to 3060

.300 H&H Magnum - Western case, CCI 200 primer
180-gr. Speer 3085-180-6-SP - 79.0 to 83.0 - 2783 to 2939 fps
200-gr. Speer 3085-200-6-SP - 75.0 to 79.0 - 2614 to 2729

.308 Norma Magnum - Norma case, CCI 200 primer
200-gr. Speer 3085-200-6-SP - 81.0 to 85.0 - 2680 to 2853 fps

.300 Weatherby Magnum - Remington case, Rem. 9 ½ primer
180-gr. Speer 3085-180-6-SP - 92.0 to 98.0 - 2969 to 3121 fps
180-gr. Speer 3085-180-6-SP - 89.0 to 95.0 - 2833 to 3027

.338 Winchester Magnum - Western case, CCI 200 primer
275-gr. Speer 338-275-55-SP - 79.0 to 85.0 - 2390 to 2629 fps
 
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