Wayland - Limit Carrying of Weapons in Town Buildings and to Town Events

[MetroWest]

A petitioners' warrant article is teed up for Annual Town Meeting in Wayland, MA in late April. It is squarely aimed at LTC holders by prohibiting carry access to buildings on town property and to any town sponsored events on town property. It uses some of the language from MGL 269 Sect 10(j) which prohibits carry on school grounds / buildings.

The Wayland Finance Committee will review this article at their Thursday March 7 meeting and possibly vote as to recommend passage or not. In Wayland the FinCom is responsible for writing an analysis of articles to be placed in the Warrant.

Agenda and draft Article GG writeup may be found at these links:
https://www.wayland.ma.us/sites/waylandma/files/agendas/_agenda_march_7_2019_tc.pdf
03-07-2019 - Google Drive

The Wayland Board of Selectmen is scheduled to review this article at their Monday March 11 meeting and vote as to whether recommend passage or not.

There are over 600 LTC holders in Wayland - a good turnout at Town Meeting would defeat this article. Updates will be posted here.

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Article GG reads:
Amend §139-8 of Chapter 139 of the code of the Town of Wayland by adding said section

(b) For the purposes of this paragraph, "firearm" shall mean any pistol, revolver, rifle or
smoothbore arm from which a shot, bullet or pellet can be discharged.

No person, not being a law enforcement officer and notwithstanding any license obtained by the
person pursuant to Mass. State Law Chapter 140, shall carry on the person a firearm, loaded or
unloaded, or other dangerous weapon in any building on town property, or to any town sponsor
gathering, including athletic events, on town property without the written authorization of the
Board of Selectmen.

 

[sbi]

Of course, because this will, without a doubt, stop all potential shootings in said places. It's for the safety of our citizens. #Sarcasm

 

[Waher]

If this is the same petitioner that went after the Wayland club? Seems to be a pattern of harassment trying to stifle lawful practice of civil rights under the color of law.

 

[M1911]

Yes, it is Duane Galbi. Again.

 

[robjax]

we need a law that cities, towns ands municipal;aities all need to follow the state laws when a state issued license is in place. this is a bunch of BS.

 

[JZ1018]

So the Wayland PD issues LTCs to suitable Wayland residents and yet that is not good enough to allow them to carry in town buildings?

 

[MachineHead]

You know it’s springtime when these morons come out to take a swipe at lawful gun owners in the local town warrant.

 

[Boston4567]

A petitioners' warrant article is teed up for Annual Town Meeting in Wayland, MA in late April. It is squarely aimed at LTC holders by prohibiting carry access to buildings on town property and to any town sponsored events on town property. It uses some of the language from MGL 269 Sect 10(j) which prohibits carry on school grounds / buildings.

The Wayland Finance Committee will review this article at their Thursday March 7 meeting and possibly vote as to recommend passage or not. In Wayland the FinCom is responsible for writing an analysis of articles to be placed in the Warrant.

Agenda and draft Article GG writeup may be found at these links:
https://www.wayland.ma.us/sites/waylandma/files/agendas/_agenda_march_7_2019_tc.pdf
03-07-2019 - Google Drive

The Wayland Board of Selectmen is scheduled to review this article at their Monday March 11 meeting and vote as to whether recommend passage or not.

There are over 600 LTC holders in Wayland - a good turnout at Town Meeting would defeat this article. Updates will be posted here.

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Article GG reads:
Amend §139-8 of Chapter 139 of the code of the Town of Wayland by adding said section

(b) For the purposes of this paragraph, "firearm" shall mean any pistol, revolver, rifle or
smoothbore arm from which a shot, bullet or pellet can be discharged.

No person, not being a law enforcement officer and notwithstanding any license obtained by the
person pursuant to Mass. State Law Chapter 140, shall carry on the person a firearm, loaded or
unloaded, or other dangerous weapon in any building on town property, or to any town sponsor
gathering, including athletic events, on town property without the written authorization of the
Board of Selectmen.

This is pre-empted by state law, so it's meaningless even if passed.

 

[KOMA829]

so wayland LTC holders can tonight got to a meeting carrying , assuming meeting is at town hall.? , to oppose a town meeting warrant to BAN such activity in the future.

yeah that makes sense.... Effing morons

 

[Matt_SERE]

Yes, it is Duane Galbi. Again.

You know it’s springtime when these morons come out to take a swipe at lawful gun owners in the local town warrant.

Duane is a four season rabble rouser:

Wayland Special Town Meeting Article to Limit Weapons Discharge
Wayland resident Tom Gulley, one of the petition’s two co-sponsors, agreed the move is directed at the club.

“It hasn’t been a good neighbor,” he said.

His co-sponsor, Duane Galbi, said the petition “applies to anything new (in Wayland). From a Wayland perspective, shooting guns is not something we’re in favor of.”

 

[StevieP]

Someone remind them that LTC holders are, as a whole, more law-abiding than any other constituency, including law enforcement, who they so graciously excuse.

 

[Freddy B]

So the Wayland PD issues LTCs to suitable Wayland residents and yet that is not good enough to allow them to carry in town buildings?

Had to go through a metal detector to attend a Lexington town meeting once. Still pissed off about it. By definition, the only people concerned about the gun article being debated that night were lawful gun owners. But that simple logic was not grasped by those who ordered thousands of dollars of taxpayer money spent on unnecessary security.

 

[Noreaster]

Yes, it is Duane Galbi. Again.

So that means this is a stepping stone, OR possibly can somehow be applied to access to the wayland club in some obscure hidden way that he is hoping noone notices.

 

[robjax]

So the Wayland PD issues LTCs to suitable Wayland residents and yet that is not good enough to allow them to carry in town buildings?

Granted it affects them the most but not just fort Wayland residents..

 

[JJ4]

It seems the good people of Wayland (including some members here) have good experience countering this lunacy. So at the risk of stating advice you already know:

- The FinCom will likely care about financial impacts to the town. If the proposed bylaw were to pass, is a legal challenge likely? What would be the typical costs to the town to defend against a legal challenge?
- The police, presumably, would need to enforce this. Are they on board with it? How do they plan to enforce it? Is there additional costs or training? How will people know abou this unusual bylaw? Will they need to make a post signage? Do we really want such obtrusive signage on every entrance to a town building? How much will that cost?
- What actual problem is this trying to solve, and will it be effective at solving it? If someone intends to do harm, will a sign stop them? Since you are proposing to disarm law-abiding citizens at the door, do you propose additional security to keep them safe?
- If someone is exercising their rights and wants to attend a public meeting, are you suggesting that they, in public view, take their firearm off their body and lock it in their car? Won't that create more problems? You're asking people to choose between their first amendment rights and their second amendment rights.


Something similar was proposed in Natick several years ago. They received enough offline correspondence that they decided to publicly announce they will not go forward with it. However, this was originally sponsored by a town entity and not a citizen, I believe.

 

[Sparky123]

A petitioners' warrant article is teed up for Annual Town Meeting in Wayland, MA in late April. It is squarely aimed at LTC holders by prohibiting carry access to buildings on town property and to any town sponsored events on town property. It uses some of the language from MGL 269 Sect 10(j) which prohibits carry on school grounds / buildings.

The Wayland Finance Committee will review this article at their Thursday March 7 meeting and possibly vote as to recommend passage or not. In Wayland the FinCom is responsible for writing an analysis of articles to be placed in the Warrant.

Agenda and draft Article GG writeup may be found at these links:
https://www.wayland.ma.us/sites/waylandma/files/agendas/_agenda_march_7_2019_tc.pdf
03-07-2019 - Google Drive

The Wayland Board of Selectmen is scheduled to review this article at their Monday March 11 meeting and vote as to whether recommend passage or not.

There are over 600 LTC holders in Wayland - a good turnout at Town Meeting would defeat this article. Updates will be posted here.

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Article GG reads:
Amend §139-8 of Chapter 139 of the code of the Town of Wayland by adding said section

(b) For the purposes of this paragraph, "firearm" shall mean any pistol, revolver, rifle or
smoothbore arm from which a shot, bullet or pellet can be discharged.

No person, not being a law enforcement officer and notwithstanding any license obtained by the
person pursuant to Mass. State Law Chapter 140, shall carry on the person a firearm, loaded or
unloaded, or other dangerous weapon in any building on town property, or to any town sponsor
gathering, including athletic events, on town property without the written authorization of the
Board of Selectmen.

A petitioners' warrant article is teed up for Annual Town Meeting in Wayland, MA in late April. It is squarely aimed at LTC holders by prohibiting carry access to buildings on town property and to any town sponsored events on town property. It uses some of the language from MGL 269 Sect 10(j) which prohibits carry on school grounds / buildings.

The Wayland Finance Committee will review this article at their Thursday March 7 meeting and possibly vote as to recommend passage or not. In Wayland the FinCom is responsible for writing an analysis of articles to be placed in the Warrant.

Agenda and draft Article GG writeup may be found at these links:
https://www.wayland.ma.us/sites/waylandma/files/agendas/_agenda_march_7_2019_tc.pdf
03-07-2019 - Google Drive

The Wayland Board of Selectmen is scheduled to review this article at their Monday March 11 meeting and vote as to whether recommend passage or not.

There are over 600 LTC holders in Wayland - a good turnout at Town Meeting would defeat this article. Updates will be posted here.

-------
Article GG reads:
Amend §139-8 of Chapter 139 of the code of the Town of Wayland by adding said section

(b) For the purposes of this paragraph, "firearm" shall mean any pistol, revolver, rifle or
smoothbore arm from which a shot, bullet or pellet can be discharged.

No person, not being a law enforcement officer and notwithstanding any license obtained by the
person pursuant to Mass. State Law Chapter 140, shall carry on the person a firearm, loaded or
unloaded, or other dangerous weapon in any building on town property, or to any town sponsor
gathering, including athletic events, on town property without the written authorization of the
Board of Selectmen.

On town property ? Don't they mean taxpayer property ?

 

[MetroWest]

This is pre-empted by state law, so it's meaningless even if passed.

Would you have a MGL cite for this? Thanks.

 

[mpd61]

This dude who used to live in Cambridge?

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[StevieP]

Would you have a MGL cite for this? Thanks.

Interesting, somewhat recent post on this topic, here:

Local Authority to Regulate Firearms in Massachusetts | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Not sure what to believe...

 

[M1911]

This is pre-empted by state law, so it's meaningless even if passed.

I don’t believe that is true.

 

[enbloc]

I didn't know Wayland had such a huge problem with Town Property related shootings...?
You poor people...

 

[M1911]

It is all about virtue signaling.

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

So the Wayland PD issues LTCs to suitable Wayland residents and yet that is not good enough to allow them to carry in town buildings?

I’m sure they’re not worried about Wayland residents. It’s all the unwashed gun owners in abutting towns.

 

[M1911]

I’m sure they’re not worried about Wayland residents. It’s all the unwashed gun owners in abutting towns.

Particularly attorneys from Boston — they’re the worst.

 

[clampett]

Maybe the Wayland residents could present their own warrant article to send Duane Galbi back to Cambridge.

 

[M1911]

Had to go through a metal detector to attend a Lexington town meeting once.

Wayland Town Meeting is held at the high school, so that is already a gun-free zone.

 

[sharona]

we need a law that cities, towns ands municipal;aities all need to follow the state laws when a state issued license is in place. this is a bunch of BS.

If you’re a town resident you could submit an article for the town meeting saying just that. If you have the votes you win

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

Particularly attorneys from Boston — they’re the worst.

I really hope you're not under the grossly mistaken impression that I'm a member of the legal profession. Not that there's anything wrong with that! [obligatory disclaimer]

 

[M1911]

I really hope you're not under the grossly mistaken impression that I'm a member of the legal profession. Not that there's anything wrong with that! [obligatory disclaimer]

I was. Now I have a higher opinion of you.

 

[Boston4567]

Interesting, somewhat recent post on this topic, here:

Local Authority to Regulate Firearms in Massachusetts | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Not sure what to believe...

It's legal for towns to regulate firearm discharge, because state law is relatively unrestrictive on that issue. But carry is heavily regulated by a comprehensive system at the state level, which pre-empts local restrictions on carry. The same is true of restrictions on specific types of firearms - this is why Boston's local AWB required a home rule petition.