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Warren no friend of Israel; glad that's out in the open

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  1. allen-1

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    I've typed out multiple responses to this. I can't do this.

    That was my family that went into a concentration camp.

    f*** you.
     
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    She's just another left wing Jew hater
     
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    Except they've proven that they perfectly capable of doing it. Just ask any black, Japanese American, or Native American. The only people that I trust less than the gov't are already adjudicated felons. Today there won't be any trains, but if the Jew hating socialists get in power, and the economy goes south, and there's some domestic crisis of some sort.................
     
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    So what is a Jewish last name? Ending in stien or berg? I'm pretty sure they're not coming from Israel or a third world country ...Judaism is a religion so I don't see them replacing the white population lol wtf
     
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    There's a big difference between hoping for and prediction.

    I watched the weather last night. They spent a lot of time talking about how Louisiana might get hit with a Category 3 hurricane - and could receive 10 to 20 inches of rain as well.

    I didn't come away thinking the weather chick hoped it was going to happen.

    You can't say never again on ANY historical event - without looking at the whole picture. Not the Holocaust. Not the Rwanda genocide. Not anything. But that's what happens. The fact that you read what I wrote as espousing that the Jews got what they deserved is exactly the kind of behavior I'm talking about that makes people sick and tired of dealing with the whole issue. The Jews aren't the only people to have ever been genocided. The Chinese did it to their own people IN FAR LARGER NUMBERS THAN WHAT GERMANS DID TO THE JEWS. I have Armenian friends - they also have family that got genocided. There's the Rwanda genocide. The Soviets also genocided people in far larger numbers than what the Germans did to the Jews. The Germans also genocided other people who were not Jews.

    But you would think - by the popular media - and the amount of Holocaust museums spread all over the United States - and the constant reminders - that first off the United States was responsible for much of the Holocaust (that angle actually gets promoted because they want to blame the US for not taking in more refugees and/or not stopping the whole thing to begin with) and secondly that all of us non Jews are supposed to still feel guilty about this.

    You see here's the thing: Many Jews in the end make it very clear that they don't want to REALLY become Americans. They take political positions that are in DIRECT opposition to founding principles of this country. They constantly call out the fact that they're Jews by constantly bringing up stuff like the Holocaust - which happened in a different country - and in a different lifetime. They treat this country as if it's a funding center for Israel.

    Look - I grew up on full immersion on how bad the Holocaust was. I had relative who served with Patton during WW2 - and was one of the first guys to enter the camps. So I'm not one of those people who's going to deny that it happened. But I also LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY. So I pay attention to it's politics - because that is what directly affects me. And as a gun owner - I pay attention to they types of people who seem to constantly come out against what I consider to be my basic rights. The problem is - Jews completely punch out of their weight class when it comes to taking positions that are in direct opposition to what I consider to be basic American values.

    Lately it's become clear that Jews are also heavily involved in issues that I (and quite a few others) consider to be existential issues in regards to the survival of the country. One of those is immigration - both legal and illegal. Of the people who heavily promote immigration - and oppose things like the border wall - some of them are very prominently Jewish.

    I don't know the Jewish religion - and I don't care to. But it's been highlighted in one more than one place that there are elements within Judaism that promote taking these positions. It's also been highlighted that Jews tend to stick together - for their own benefit. That's why there's a derogatory term used " the tribe ".

    In the end - what I see happening is that a pattern is repeating - which has apparently happened before based on my reading of history. And that is that Jews as a whole are pissing off the population of people they live amongst.

    That's why I already said: one of the bargains you make coming to this country is potentially giving up a lot of where you came from - or even potentially what it is that makes you who you are. In the case of Jews - that might mean giving up a lot of their religious beliefs. As it would most definitely for Muslims. You don't want to do that - and become "American" and live by the beliefs set down that made this country? Then WTF are you doing here in the first place? You see if people would just follow the rules - we COULD all get along.

    But when people want to benefit themselves and their "tribe" over the overall population and the beliefs that keep us all nominally getting along - well then you're going to get tribal conflict. And that is EXACTLY where this country appears to be headed - and that is EXACTLY why said " don't count it out yet".

    Yeah - Jews are going to get blamed when other Jews get out of line. As are blacks going to get blamed when blacks keep committing crime after crime. Whites are pretty much getting blamed for everything these days - by blacks and increasingly Jews (the constant haranguing about the Holocaust that happens in THIS country is a form of blame whitey BTW - and it's been going on for decades). None of this is new shit. It happens all the time. And when it gets out of control - people start dying. When it gets bad enough - people get genocided. Jews are still a minority in this country. Which way do you think that will go if things really go down the shitter?

    You see this is why I constantly say that big government in this country is such an issue. Jews in big government get to pass laws that piss people off (like gun control) - this leads to hate. That leads to fighting over the levers of power - and resentment when "others" have those levers.

    I say get rid of the damn levers - and maybe we could all live together. But there are sacrifices to getting along. Sacrifices it appears that nobody wants to make - including a lot of Jews.
     
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    The fact that people here keep saying white and Jew like they're separate things is really crazy. It's a religion guys,one that some people have been born into but are not very active in. Just like a lot of modern Christian's outside of Christmas and Easter. I'm sure there are plenty of "white Christian's" that don't agree with all your political stances but religion is never even mentioned. Everyone has their own "tribe" but I'm sure always being the biggest (white christian) feels great. Becoming American should have nothing to do with giving up your religious beliefs. Actually that goes against everything this country was started for. Ofcourse you shouldn't follow 3000+ year old texts to the letter anymore. I think most people have some sort of bias against people that may look or act different. But holy crap.
     
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    If you're hispanic or black - then saying "white" or "Jewish" like they're separate things might seem crazy. It's the same dynamic as white people calling all black people black - when the reality is they're made up of probably hundreds of different tribes - and if you actually pay attention you can tell the difference between a Dinka tribesman and some guy from the Congo.

    If white and Jewish were the same thing - they 23andme wouldn't be able to call out your ancestry SPECIFICALLY by saying you're 3% Ashkenazi Jew.
     
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    Lmao they're telling religion by DNA now! Read up on those DNA sites and how they decide to label and how accurate any of it even is. You really are crazy. So to you white only means Catholic? Lmao. I'm sorry that some religions were around before yours. But I'm sure most people don't say they're Roman because the modern country their ancestors came from was once part of the Roman empire....
     
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    Basic American values include making deals with Taliban. Basic American values include Palestinians in da hauze. Basic American values include sending palettes of cash to peaceful Iran........

    What you are missing, Calsdad, is one visit in the hell which only humans can prepare for themselves in the name of any ideology and any belief in their own superiority. You do not have that experience, Thanks God!, and it shows.

    You think we have too many museums? Let's see, how many Americans know today that Germans liquidated TWO THIRDS of European Jews? How many Americans know that at the END of 1945 over 2 million people still remained in the camps? And where is that museum covering pogrom in Polish town Kielce in July 1946? Where is the museum showing freshly liberated European citizens killing Jews arriving from liberated concentration camps? Do we have it documented?

    We all know that Nazis killed in their concentration camps 6 million Jews, quarter of them were children. What we do not know, and what we do not feel, is our own ability to BS about values. What values come to your mind, when one day bunch of humans enter your own shop and drag your entire family into an empty mine where they throw all your loved ones into empty ditches and watch them to die?

    We have museums to remind us WHAT HUMANITY CAN DO TO US, if we are not paying attention. And right now, my friend, you are not paying attention. Yes, we should have more museums. We should have museums covering Mao's Great Leap Forward (millions died there), Cambodian Killing Fields, Soviet Engineering of Human Souls,......I agree, we should pay attention to other things our HUMANITY has accomplished already, but you and I should know better before we jump on a pedestal and start preaching about basic values.

    You have missed one experience in your life, the one which results in nothing. Imagine that everything you have now is gone. Your guns, your home, your family, your relatives, .....everything is gone......In addition, nobody feels your pain. They drag you in the concentration camp because they can, and you have few years over there working like a slave on some non-sense. They may even use you for some experiment humanity will greatly benefit from. Humanity will learn for sure that people can't survive standing naked in the subzero temperatures while being sprayed with hot water by other humans. You survive this madhouse and you think it is over but you still have nothing and no particular place to go and they are telling you that you should just lay down and wait for death to arrive. You know what happens to humans under such conditions? They say F basic values! F Mozart, Beethoven, rules, rights, Constitutions, media, books, ideologies......These people who were stepped on for generations suddenly stand up to basic values and start fighting for survival. Their goal is to survive, they have no time anymore for BS.

    There was very little done by England or by us for these people after WWII. Yes, we have liberated Europe and won the war because we have decided to make a deal with a different devil. This devil will kill, as you have pointed out, more millions than any other ideology before. At that time, we were thinking that our basic values have priorities and we have closed our eyes. I want museum in America which would cover period from 1945 to 1989! If we would have such a museum I strongly believe we will not have socialists and communists in this country. Socialism and communism would be on the same level with Nazism, maybe even higher! At the end of WWII. we have WILLINGLY gave up on humanity again. We knew the peace will result in avalanche of killings of innocent people. Stalin has told us that he will eliminate plenty of Ukrainians we have hold for him. That was our gift to him! So was Eastern Europe! We gave it to Uncle Stalin because we were exhausted! Then, we have closed our doors and for at least a decade pretended that the world has accepted our basic values because we have told them so and we have won. Think about that for a minute, please!

    Anyway, Israel was created not because we felt guilty, or we wanted Jews to have a state of their own. Israel was created because Stalin has decided that it would be nice to have a communist state in the Middle East. And, as you have posted in your previous post correctly, Nazis and Russians loaded that area with plenty of hard core Jewish communists already, and they were busy implementing communist value in kibbutzes.

    What is remarkable and what we should pay attention to is the ability of people to survive all kind of $ht and defend it against all odds.
    F your basic values!
     
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    THIS!

    I was born into a communism. If America would decide to drop a nuke on communists back then, I would die. Nobody would ever care if I practiced communism or not.

    My grandfather was a very big communist. That was his religion. When Hitler came to power he was told that in addition to being a communist he is also Jewish. Well, he did not know what synagogue was. Yet, he was in Buchenwald from 1939 to 1945. When he was liberated he came out of the camp not as a Jewish but as a hard core communist again.
     
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    It's amazing the ignorance and narrow-minded morons like calsdad that we have in this amazing country. There are so many comments based on stigma and stupidity that it's not even really worth responding... it reminds me of when I heard somebody say that 9/11 was actually an Israeli-backed event and that all of the Jews were told to leave the WTC in advance of the attack as if Jews have some secret network since we believe so strongly in our tribe and the ability to carry out successful terrorist attacks (never mind the fact that hundreds of Jews died in the towers/planes/rescue operations that day. F'ing moronic. F you calsdad. Why don't you come try to pin a Jewish star on my chest. See how it goes for you.
     
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    QFMFT.

    As often happens on NES these days, I can’t believe some of what I’m reading.

    Get out in the world a bit. Shoot a gun, even a Glock. Loosen up. You don’t have to judge everyone all the time. And if you’re trying to equate the Holocaust with anything else? Yeah, not cool.
     
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    Give America back to the Americans!

    Yeah. For the last 40 years, the sides come to the table. Israel compromises. Palestinians claim to compromise. They then reneg and take whatever and we start all over. Israel has moved backwards since the 70's. Palestine, as a whole, has only gained in that time.

    2 reasons. Nothing more. NOTHING more.

    1. Habit. It's easier to defend the ones that have something than fight to give it to the other party, all things being equal. Right and wrong enter into it far less than you can imagine. (I'm not saying hte Jews are right or wrong. Just a commentary on human nature.)

    2. The Bible. Passages in the NT about how any nation who does not support Israel will be laid waste. That plays pretty deep in America from 1950-2000 for sure.

    I almost believe that the liberals are anti-Jew BECAUSE they are anti-religion. They don't believe the Palestinians are entitled to squat. They just want to be anti-bible. Period.

    It would do us a TON of good to be anti-Israel in the oil-rich Middle East. Just saying. Again - not anti-Israel at all. In fact, I think they deserve their spot. And more power to them. But it would be beneficial to the US to be neutral or anti-Israel.
     
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    LOL

    Empire has decided to support someone and maybe empire will decide not to support anymore! That is exactly how it sounds.

    I have tried to explain to you that we have done very little when it comes to a birth of the State of Israel. Actually, we did remain neutral back then because we were oil dependent and we were hoping Arabs will behave. Well, they did not! They have attacked Israel. Israel did not attack them. Then, Israeli military using weapons from the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia, using recycled Nazi weapons, whipped Arabs and continued whipping them. Only then we got involved and started to PAY BOTH SIDES.

    So, I am sure there are plenty of Israelis who are not happy with America today, just like we have plenty of Americans who are unhappy about Americans today, but stop acting like Israel depends on you. We are paying because we want stability. What you see in Israel now is stability.

    America has to stop acting as a global police. We need our military here because $ht will hit the fan here very soon. Our country is unstable and underfunded. We need to realize that our money somewhere else may not be used as designed, but before we come to handling aid to Israel ask yourself why we are paying Taliban, Iran and other obvious enemies of ours. You may find out that we have NO OTHER OPTIONS!

    Having no other options sucks in this world. You are a hostage of your own politicians who were elected to make a mess majority of this country thought well about prior to elections.

    Go ahead and cut all ransoms to all countries but I would advice us to build our own country back to what it used to be so we can take some serious hits.

    Going back to Israel, for a moment, in 1948 Golda Meir went to USA where she has received $50M from Jewish business leaders, nothing from our government! Portion of this money was used to purchase under cover of Ethiopia guns, planes and vehicles from Czechoslovakia which was also training Israeli defense forces in camps in communist Czechoslovakia. Soviets secretly supported this mission but they did not want to have any conflicts with Britain or USA who were against it. This is why such activities remained secret for few decades. When UN recognized the State of Israel Arabs started war. WE HAVE SUPPORTED ARABS with money and weapons. From 1948 we have supported DIVISION OF PALESTINE!

    Get your facts before your feelings!

    How did Czechoslovakia help to create the State of Israel in 1948 - Czech centre Tel Aviv
     
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    The ability of humanity to create holocausts should be eliminated. We still can't do it! Democracy loves to pretend that nothing is going on and when it is finally over democracy is learning about it for decades to follow. China is maintaining concentration camps as we type here and we are fine with it just because all our plastic comes from there.


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    Follow our model for 'happy' Xinjiang, China tells West - Reuters

    Nearly two dozen nations at the U.N. Human Rights Council this week urged China to halt persecution of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang, where U.N. experts and activists say at least 1 million are held in detention centers.

    Chinese diplomat Jiang Duan told the council on Thursday a few hypocritical Western nations were distorting facts to smear Beijing over what it describes as vocational training centers in Xinjiang intended to combat extremism and provide new skills.

    “Actually the experience in Xinjiang in this field can be introduced to other countries,” Jiang added, saying the centers help reintegrate people indoctrinated by radicalism.
     
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    So I'm not a liberal, but I am anti-bible. Using that as a reason to make socio-political decisions is as stupid as using the Koran....which is what the Palestinians use to justify their claims.

    Again, I dont know much about the situation. And I'm not debating....the rest of your points made a lot of sense to me. But when I see the reason "because the bible..." I tend to dismiss. Because the other side is arguing from a different holy book.....just makes the situation self perpetuating.
     
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    You always find a book to support your move into somebody else's house.

    In Europe Germans could not wait to move quickly into nice houses previously built by their Jewish neighbors who WANTED to be Germans. Their excuse was a book written by Loser Adolf. Then, Soviets and communists moved into German houses which were built be Jews and their excuse was a book written by another German, Karl Marx. Then, all of these houses were blown into air, bulldozed to the ground and public housing was erected on their places instead. That was done for a working class based on some books written by Lenin and Stalin. Then, capitalism came in and such buildings housing working classes were suddenly owned by foreign corporations who brought fair pricing to the masses. Life is funny that way!
     
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    Scary, aint' it???

    Let's go back 50 years. Let's go back to 1970.

    Do you believe that the US Congress of 1970 is more Christian or less Christian than it is today???

    Think of all them Southern Democrats, heading to their Southern Controlling Baptist Megachurch of Worship on a Sunday morning every week. And this passage being mentioned OVER AND FREAKING OVER AGAIN all the time.

    I grew up in the Catholic faith. Israel was mentioned as a "friend." Then switched to a non-denon that came from a Baptist background. I mean, DAMN. It was mentioned at least monthly. "Gotta support Israel. Says so in the Bible. Also, no fornicating. But please, gossip as much as possible but be sure to say 'as a prayer request.'" By and large in the US, Evangelicals fear us NOT supporting Israel. Then and now.

    There are s-tons of stupid reason why anyone in Congress does anything. But this one is a lock. 50 years ago, 100% of your elected official in DC were going to listen to their vastly-majority Christian constituents. Ergo, we ended up helping Israel whether it's a good idea for America or not. And inertia causes us to continue even though we are far less Christian (and as I said, there is the anti-Christian slant within the liberal party. If the Bible said "get rid of cancer" they libs would be grumbling about the anti-cancerists.)


    Now - don't believe me??? I've got 2 words for all'y'all: MORAL MAJORITY. That was 10 years later and took over Congress by storm.


    Again - I'm not anti-Israel. But the reasoning BEHIND what we do isn't the one we put forth. Often times, we do something then come up with the reason after. Not just as a nation, but it's part of that human nature thing. Understanding the world requires being at the very least an amateur Behavioral Economist.
     
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    Yeah I don't buy the bible thing either in terms of why we're supporting Israel's military. There could be some fringe "leaders" in our country who have an agenda like that (just watch Borat to get an idea of some of the morons we elect (kind of kidding, but seriously)... or look at idiots like Warren/Cortez... etc.). It absolutely behooves us to have a strong ally in that region. Where, for example, France didn't allow us to fly over their airspace to bomb Libya/Qadaffi after he blew up our marine barracks and killed hundreds of US soldiers. Working with the Mossad we probably gain more valuable information about the biggest threats in the world than we do working with any other ally. And don't think that Israel doesn't consider US opinion or actually get approval on every move she makes (for example, when she bombed and destroyed an Iraqi nuclear power plant supplied by the French and set to go online... a bombing that was publicly condemned by the world, but which every government and particularly the US was in favor of). Israel can do the worlds dirty work in the name of self-preservation... then she can take the heat (like UN condemnation) and carry on. Until the world economy isn't dependent on oil or concerned with Islamic terrorism Israel is a very worthwhile and strategic ally to have. That's my opinion as an American, not just a Jew (who happens to put the United State's best interest above any religion or any other country).
     
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    We are learning from Israel. Israel is today one of very few countries where R&D is supported and shared with the rest of the world. There are only few places to treat some cancer, for example, here, in Germany and in Israel. Digital printing in our country came from Israel, our military benefited from many inventions coming from there......I have spent in Israel 9 years working. I learned a lot. I worked with Russians, Hungarians, Yemeni, Germans,......They were all citizens of Israel and quite few of them were actually not Jewish. Many Russians, for example, never practiced any religion and they came to Israel and started their new lives there.
     
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    I've learned a whole lot about Israel and Judaism in the last few years from my Israeli friend. One of the things I've learned from my friend is how crazy it is to lump all Jews together in any way as there is an enormous diversity of people who are Jewish.

    I believe you genuinely believe what you wrote. But - and you knew there was a but - not all Jewish people see things this way. Mike Wallace famously went on camera with the opposite view when interviewing Morgan Freeman - see below.

    Americans have forgotten there was an epic battle for political control of the USA in the first half of the 20th Century which the WASPs lost. Emmanuel Celler made it his life's work to open the USA's borders to the world and therefore end the USA as a white European nation. Do I blame all Jews for what Celler did? Of course not. But I know what he did and why. Jewish people are amazingly effective in business and politics but it's an unwritten rule to always deny this.

     
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    You forgot to include that the Germans were genocided after the end of WW2. There was a period of time when US policy towards the defeated Germany was in flux and very little was done to assist German civilians resulting in widespread starvation. Ethnic Germans were pushed out of all of Eastern Europe and millions died in the process. Russian infantry had specific orders to rape every German woman they encountered in their occupied territory. There are also accounts of Eisenhower's murderous policies towards captured German soldiers and it seems that more than a million may have disappeared after the war ended.

    One could argue they deserved it. Whether they did or didn't my objection is there are historical events that are off limits for research and this is one.
     
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    Allow me one small correction: German speaking people had 20 minutes to collect 20kg each and get the f out of their houses, farms, businesses and enterprises they, and their predecessors, tended to for 500 years! Many of them were not citizens of Germany and they were occupied by Germans just like other citizens......Humanity was fine with that. In the meantime real Nazis were starting their new businesses in Latin America with "liberated" wealth they've have been moving over there for few years already. Basic values totally Fed up!
     
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    History is written by the victors.
     
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    I'm in the end all foreign aid camp. Remember the Liberty?

     
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    The Israelis are running one of the biggest espionage operations against us. Jonathan Pollard was sentenced to life in prison for violating the Espionage Act. Benjamin Netanyahu was one of the biggest supporters for releasing him from prison.

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    History is rewritten by every new generation. [dance]
     
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    Elizabeth Warren unveils sweeping immigration plan to reverse Trump’s ‘policy of cruelty and division’ - The Boston Globe
    Warren said she would immediately reinstate an Obama-era program granting temporary permits for young people known as “Dreamers” who were brought into the country illegally. She also promised to expand legal immigration programs and to raise the annual cap on refugees allowed to enter the country to 125,000 in her first year as president, increasing that number to at least 175,000 by the end of her first term.

    She also embraced a more progressive proposal first made by Castro to decriminalize illegal border crossings through the repeal of an immigration statute that upgraded the penalty for crossing the border illegally from a civil offense to a criminal one. The section of the law, created by a former segregationist senator and adopted in 1929, has been used by the Trump administration to justify the separations of families at the nation’s southwestern border.

    “This additional criminal provision is totally unnecessary for border security, and for a century, it was rarely enforced,” she wrote. “But since the early 2000s, it has been used to build and sustain a massive immigration detention complex.”

    Warren also promised to reduce criminal prosecutions of immigrants, reshape the culture and priorities of federal immigration agencies, increase oversight, and disentangle law enforcement and the courts from immigration enforcement. Her plan would end an Obama-era program that allows partnerships between federal immigration agencies and local and state policing agencies, and would return autonomy to judges reviewing immigration cases.

    Like other presidential candidates, she promised to create an Office of New Americans to provide English, civics, and job training for new immigrants. And Warren called to restore aid to El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala — countries that many migrants are fleeing — committing $1.5 billion annually to fund programs targeting crime, drug and human trafficking, sexual violence, and poverty.
     
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    Ah yes, the Office of New Americans. There's plenty of room on this Magic Dirt. The Old Americans won't be needing it much longer anyway.
     
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