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Yes and no
The law reads that if a person had previously imported into Vt a mag that exceeds the new law they are permitted by law to re-import it back into the state
So as I read it.....if you have a mag(s) that you've brought into vt before the ban then its good to go
I'm quite certain that there are a great many people who fit the above....who have previously brought mags into the state and left with them and still own them
Question is proving it....for popo and citizens.....and whether or not you want to incur a large legal bill demonstrating that Vt cannot prove that you are guilty
as mentioned before, its a personal choice/risk
The law as written allows for reimportation
the burden of proof is not on you to prove you had a mag in the state of vermont prior to arbitrary date
the burden is on the state to prove you didnt.
unfortunately that process may be very costly so.....choose wisely
Due to new law competitors traveling to the New England CMP Cup & CMP Games matches may not bring a 20 round magazine with them. Competitors may use 10 round magazines during the New England games to be compliant with the new laws of the state of Vermont. You may also borrow a 20 round magazine from a member of the Vermont State Rifle and Pistol Association after your arrival to Camp Ethan Allen Training Site for the New England Games. Please see a CMP Associate at check-in if you need to borrow a magazine.
I see I see, I'm glad I asked. The CMP rules still require the same outside dimensions of a 20 round, correct?
I went last year to try out the small arms class and shot an AR for the first time and at a distance greater than 100 yards also for the first time. Did awful but had a blast! Since then I have collected most of the gear necessary and am planning to join the 80 round match, the EIC match and the SAFS match. Primary objective is to get good zeros for the Jericho range for the future!
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What ammo are you shooting? You want at least 77 grain for 600 yards, but 80 grain will be better.
For a new shooter I generally recommend factory loads and to spend more time shooting and dry firing than doing load development. There are enough factory loads that will clean targets all day long if you do your part.
The 77 TMKs is a good option for factory loaded rounds to use across the course. Unless you’re loading your 80 SMK hot, they’re pretty equal in wind resistance up to 15mph full value. Target sports currently has them in stock too.
A cheaper option for an across the course round is the Hornady 73 ELD, in 5.56 flavor. It slightly beats 77 TMK in wind resistance. It’s also a 3/4 moa bullet out of the Shilen 1/7.5 I’m using.
You can go with a 73 ELD Superformance for more velocity, but will want to use a heavy buffer or you’ll get popped primers. I recommend sticking with the normal 5.56 variant.
You may also borrow a 20 round magazine from a member of the Vermont State Rifle and Pistol Association
...I'll have to try the 73 ELD's sometime. Realize what works for different rifles may not be the same, but what 'jump' do you use for these bullets? I have not tried Superformance in .223 but in 6.5 Manbun (Creedmoor) it's too damn hot for an AR. No primer issues since I use a high pressure JP bolt, but I think in an AR it loses some accuracy. Regarding TMK's, even though stupid expensive I use them for my M1A. Won my last CMP Modern Military match with 155 TMK's.
SAFS is a very good class and a fun match to shoot. I've taken it before and just missed the intro EIC points as only the top 10 percent score them. Came in 4th out of 39 shooters (10.2%), and they don't round down LOL. Their rifles are very nice Rock River National Match AR's.
Haven't shot the 80-round match but the EIC will start out at 200 yards with standing off-hand. Then to 300 yards for prone rapid. After that, 20 shots slow prone at 600 yards. You are going to want to know very well what are your come-ups, especially for 600 yards. Also the wind can be tricky there. At times you will see the wind flags all blowing opposite direction from the next closest flag.
What ammo are you shooting? You want at least 77 grain for 600 yards, but 80 grain will be better.
Testing the limits of the law is not really worth it for me, so I'll probably just go with a 10 rounder. Here's a 10/20 mag if anyone is interested (20 Round 10 Round Black ASC 22320RDL10RDSS) but if CMP is really going to relax the mag dimension requirements, I'm more than happy to buy the cheaper standard 10rd mags I was nowhere near the top 10% last year at the SAFS. I'm hoping to get closer this year.
I load 24.0 grains Varget behind 75 grain projo from Everglades. I shot that at a NRA league match at Redding earlier this year so I have rough zeros for that load. Didn't do any load dev on it but I did a lot of research on the different forums and realistically, the ammo is not my limiting factor. One tricky thing is that I was shooting with a 6 o'clock hold that match, but I noticed that I had a hard time keeping my focus on the front sight especially as the distance grew. My focus kept bouncing between the front sight and the target. I know it's a training issue, but I want to try out center of mass hold next match. I don't have room for -3.0 MoA on my rear sight so I have to raise the front sight a full turn (-5.0 MoA), then go up on the rear to take up the difference. Ideally I want to figure this out before the next match...
Would I be really be hurtin using a 75 grain? And for the 600, I figured I'm not good enough yet to justify having another set of ammo. But maybe for next season, I'll work on it.
Never seen it enforced, but the rules dictate that you don't use the magazine as a prop or rest.
One tricky thing is that I was shooting with a 6 o'clock hold that match, but I noticed that I had a hard time keeping my focus on the front sight especially as the distance grew. My focus kept bouncing between the front sight and the target.
Regarding that 6:00 hold and losing focus of the front sight: Especially on sh!tty eyes days (getting more common with age), I will lower the sight to a different background (grass, dirt, whatever) and refocus, then smoothly raise to 6:00 hold and squeeze off the shot once that position is stable. Works better for me than switching to center hold. YRMV...
Consider moving to an optic for next year. I held out, and finally moved over after shooting a match in challenging lighting conditions. Why make it hard on yourself when everyone else has them?
I would think cmp would have to alter the rules for the lawsTesting the limits of the law is not really worth it for me, so I'll probably just go with a 10 rounder. Here's a 10/20 mag if anyone is interested (20 Round 10 Round Black ASC 22320RDL10RDSS) but if CMP is really going to relax the mag dimension requirements, I'm more than happy to buy the cheaper standard 10rd mags I was nowhere near the top 10% last year at the SAFS. I'm hoping to get closer this year.
I load 24.0 grains Varget behind 75 grain projo from Everglades. I shot that at a NRA league match at Redding earlier this year so I have rough zeros for that load. Didn't do any load dev on it but I did a lot of research on the different forums and realistically, the ammo is not my limiting factor. One tricky thing is that I was shooting with a 6 o'clock hold that match, but I noticed that I had a hard time keeping my focus on the front sight especially as the distance grew. My focus kept bouncing between the front sight and the target. I know it's a training issue, but I want to try out center of mass hold next match. I don't have room for -3.0 MoA on my rear sight so I have to raise the front sight a full turn (-5.0 MoA), then go up on the rear to take up the difference. Ideally I want to figure this out before the next match...
Would I be really be hurtin using a 75 grain? And for the 600, I figured I'm not good enough yet to justify having another set of ammo. But maybe for next season, I'll work on it.
I would think cmp would have to alter the rules for the laws.
They kind of do, even codified. In section 4.1.2, under alternate rifle. If a competitor is from a state where laws prohibit adherence to the AR15 rules:
“Magazines. The rifle may have an internal magazine, a flush-mounted removable magazine, or a standard box magazine that does not exceed the dimensions of the M16-type 20-round magazine. Magazines must be capable of holding at least five (5) rounds.”
That said, it’s not specifically about a match held in an overly restrictive state.
I got into HP in 2016 and that was right in the transition period between irons and optics. Had I started earlier, I probably would have moved over sooner when everyone else did. Had I started later, I probably would have gone right to an optic. I made a mid season switch this year. There are some newer shooters who have never shot service rifle irons, which is fine. Optics has a learning curve - it's not an easy button. I still think Standing is easier with a post. I like Irons but when everyone else is shooting a scope, you're throwing points away. And you can still shoot Irons in CMP Games matches
If you use a quadrail, then yes, barrel changes are easier. If you use the old NM float tube and handguards, then there is no change.not to hijack on a thread i started with a slight off topic item, but if I go for scoped service rifle, the barrel change is a very easy thing to do correct?
I use the Athlon. I like it.After my first NRA match and the difficulty I had with my front post, I did get a set of front sights and rear sights from Compass Lake. Very nice set. I've been dryfiring with the biggest one, which I think is 0.72. Definitely easier but I haven't tested it out anything beyond 100 yards so results are yet to be seen.
I'll be looking into getting a scope this winter. I'm considering Athlon Helos BTR. Cheap enough and decent reviews, as far as I can read up.
Love the new avatar Derek. Congratulations again!I got into HP in 2016 and that was right in the transition period between irons and optics. Had I started earlier, I probably would have moved over sooner when everyone else did. Had I started later, I probably would have gone right to an optic. I made a mid season switch this year. There are some newer shooters who have never shot service rifle irons, which is fine. Optics has a learning curve - it's not an easy button. I still think Standing is easier with a post. I like Irons but when everyone else is shooting a scope, you're throwing points away. And you can still shoot Irons in CMP Games matches
Oh wow, presidents 100! Congrats Derek!
Any scope mount that you recommend?I use the Athlon. I like it.
I use the Vortex cantilever mount. Under $100.Any scope mount that you recommend?