Violate Your Oath And Turn On American Citizens At Your Legal Peril, Gun-Grabbers

Cops who refuse to comply will be arrested by their fellow officers. I believe the 40% refusal rate cited by the OP is a wild overestimate.

Entire departments (sherrifs, say) who refuse to comply will be supplanted by staties or the National Guard, who are also sworn to state constitutions. Including state constitutions whose wording on RKBA might be very ambiguous. Governors will be careful to get the Guard into line before the trouble starts.

The federal .mil? Leaders won’t want their guys killed, and will likely try not to take sides.
 
Also, even in Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia or any other oppressive government, there were always people in all levels of government working behind the scenes to overthrow said oppressive regimes. They weren't always obviously effective or successful, but I doubt anybody thinks they didn't hasten the fall.

Don't make a mistake thinking that! Such conclusion is good for Hollywood only. Hitler and Stalin effectively wiped out millions and there was no original resistance left. The resistance was wiped out because it was REGISTERED and EASY TO FIND. In many occupied countries resistance had to arrive from somewhere else first.

The oppressive regimes eat themselves. This is a long process. Just like we see liberals eating each other today the same process led to changes in these systems. But the original resistance was destroyed.
 
Cops who refuse to comply will be arrested by their fellow officers. I believe the 40% refusal rate cited by the OP is a wild overestimate.

Entire departments (sherrifs, say) who refuse to comply will be supplanted by staties or the National Guard, who are also sworn to state constitutions. Including state constitutions whose wording on RKBA might be very ambiguous. Governors will be careful to get the Guard into line before the trouble starts.

The federal .mil? Leaders won’t want their guys killed, and will likely try not to take sides.

It will never come to that. 50% of this country is liberal and ready to jump on the communist wagon. That is a huge number. This number will keep electing less and less liberty while we will continue sleeping.
 
It will never come to that. 50% of this country is liberal and ready to jump on the communist wagon. That is a huge number. This number will keep electing less and less liberty while we will continue sleeping.

Likely.

It’s hard to know which alternative will be worse, sadly.
 
After reading this thread it is pretty clear you should find a 2A friendly state or join the defeat already accepted in Mass and a handful of others. Time to move!

As we have seen the ability for federal laws to be enforced depends on how the states and localities feel on the matter. Legalizing weed and harboring illegals in sanctuary cities are two examples that come to mind. Unfortunately for the internet infantry I doubt "boogaloo time" will be the result, rather a passive balkanization is more likely.
 
Does anyone else here actually hope that Europe completely and publicly implodes into a war zone so we can have the potential of saving our own nation without this stupid reality-TV-show lawmaker saga?

A war would cost lives. It would also shut up most of the crap pretty quickly.
 
Does anyone else here actually hope that Europe completely and publicly implodes into a war zone so we can have the potential of saving our own nation without this stupid reality-TV-show lawmaker saga?

A war would cost lives. It would also shut up most of the crap pretty quickly.
May or may not work. The socialists here would just say the Europeans didn't do it right...
 
Does anyone else here actually hope that Europe completely and publicly implodes into a war zone so we can have the potential of saving our own nation without this stupid reality-TV-show lawmaker saga?

A war would cost lives. It would also shut up most of the crap pretty quickly.

Just now I am reading on a stupid forum posts from parents all excited about tomorrow's school strike in the name of the global warming. All it took to create such a stupidity was a mentally challenged girl worshiped by media and looney teachers, and kids are not going to school on Friday........You want a war for this nation? [rofl][rofl][rofl]

Europe is done with wars. Last one was in Yugoslavia. That one was so brutal that it would take another 50 years for humanity to understand it fully. Europe took Prozac Forever.

We need to get ready for developments here. Yes, we should leave MA, NH, Maine and Vermont, but that will buy us maybe 5 maybe 7 years only. We are not ready for things to come and we hope these things will avoid us. This is why we are not going to be the ones who will decide it. Instead of making strong statements I would focus on survival only. You can't survive communism without becoming a communist first! [pot]

This world is moving here from Europe. Pay attention, this is all new for you:


View: https://youtu.be/3dFdKjhgt3k


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It will never come to that. 50% of this country is liberal and ready to jump on the communist wagon. That is a huge number. This number will keep electing less and less liberty while we will continue sleeping.

I don't think the actual numbers are that bad, the problem is good people are losing faith in the system; the biggest real danger is that non-moonbats lose interest because of how shitty the system is and don't show up to vote.... and this might happen if the GOP keeps propping up Socialcon/jingo clowns into the primaries. Throw in some voter fraud in numerous districts on top of that and you have a recipe for disaster. Remember- A huge part of the reason Obama did two terms is because the products the GOP were putting up were hot garbage.

-Mike
 
Cops who refuse to comply will be arrested by their fellow officers. I believe the 40% refusal rate cited by the OP is a wild overestimate.

Entire departments (sherrifs, say) who refuse to comply will be supplanted by staties or the National Guard, who are also sworn to state constitutions. Including state constitutions whose wording on RKBA might be very ambiguous. Governors will be careful to get the Guard into line before the trouble starts.

The federal .mil? Leaders won’t want their guys killed, and will likely try not to take sides.

Which cops will be arresting the others?

There will be no supplanting of sheriffs by any state police or national guardsmen, the sheriffs will just deputize every able bodied person in their county and they'll have an instant fighting force assembled, that knows the area better than any outsider.
The vast majority of people LIKE their sheriffs, thats why they elected them.
 
IRA did what you are describing over the course of more than three decades, quite successfully, during that period in Northern Ireland's history known as "The Troubles". A lot of RUC cops and British troops ended up in cemeteries. Their families were also targeted.

And they did it with reletively very few people, very few guns and within the midst of a virtual police state.

Compare that situation with the current U.S. with hundreds of millions of armed citizens.[thumbsup]
 
Which cops will be arresting the others?

The 97% or so who obey orders and come out to arrest us, too. Those dissenting cops might not be arrested, true; they might be told just to stay in the station to inventory all the seized guns. But either way, they ain’t helping you and me.

I grew up in a place where sherriffs handled all the LEO duties. We didn’t “like” the sheriff. We looked at him and his guys exactly as you’d look at any other LEO.
 
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It will be the death of a thousands cuts and they'll have us so backed into a corner, most all of us will cave.

Personally I see it coming state by state through drivers licenses: You want to have a car on the road in MA, you want to drive? Well then you need to turn in your guns or you don't get a drivers license.

The Supreme Court would stop that nonsense. They'd have better luck appealing to the statists on the Supreme Court by giving law enforcement more leeway. This is why the gun grabbers so excited about red flag laws, they appeal to statists.
 
Cops and politicians who push these laws and participate in the confiscations, better be sure their homes and families are safe.

I have a feeling a lot of these people AND THEIR FAMILIES would become immediate targets for guerilla warfare and/or snipers.

Having your family get massacred would be pretty strong deterrent to backing Beto.

Beto himself should probably worry less about AR-15s and more about these.

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Lately I've had the opportunity to talk with LEO of all ranks in small NH departments I don't bring up this topic but it has come up a number of times, and they have no interest in taking anyone's guns. They aren't going to be rolling up on anyone ever. So if it's going to happen it would have to be ATF and FBI without local support, that's not a good look for the Fed, and I suspect many states, beyond NH, will have a problem with this.
 
It will be the death of a thousands cuts and they'll have us so backed into a corner, most all of us will cave.

Personally I see it coming state by state through drivers licenses: You want to have a car on the road in MA, you want to drive? Well then you need to turn in your guns or you don't get a drivers license.
Good, traffic sucks anyways. Keep the communist piece of plastic.
 
Lately I've had the opportunity to talk with LEO of all ranks in small NH departments I don't bring up this topic but it has come up a number of times, and they have no interest in taking anyone's guns. They aren't going to be rolling up on anyone ever. So if it's going to happen it would have to be ATF and FBI without local support, that's not a good look for the Fed, and I suspect many states, beyond NH, will have a problem with this.

Very easy for them to say today. Imagine how shocking it would be if they told you otherwise.
 
We saw this show already, we saw it in Waco and Ruby Ridge, yes it was a long time ago but its already played out. The closest we got was with the Bundys in Nevada and that got tamped down, but in Oregon a good man was wasted.
Time is on the side of the oppressive force, Paul said it best they will pick us off one by one, maybe a couple a day. Red flag this guy pull that guys drivers Lic, make it harder and harder to keep what we have.

Move to a free state you say, yep im thinking that way to, but how long before that free state falls. Ask Colorado or Texas how that mass move of moon bats from Cali is working out. NH looks to be the next to fall in a few years.
I don't have the answers and even if I did posting them on an open forum that you know the other side reads daily is not a smart move.

Vote, talk to the younger generation about what an oppressive state looks like and try changing minds, seems like your pissing up a tree doing this, yes it looks that way. But without going full retard then what else you got to do to convince other people at this point.
 
We saw this show already, we saw it in Waco and Ruby Ridge, yes it was a long time ago but its already played out. The closest we got was with the Bundys in Nevada and that got tamped down, but in Oregon a good man was wasted.
Time is on the side of the oppressive force, Paul said it best they will pick us off one by one, maybe a couple a day. Red flag this guy pull that guys drivers Lic, make it harder and harder to keep what we have.

Move to a free state you say, yep im thinking that way to, but how long before that free state falls. Ask Colorado or Texas how that mass move of moon bats from Cali is working out. NH looks to be the next to fall in a few years.
I don't have the answers and even if I did posting them on an open forum that you know the other side reads daily is not a smart move.

Vote, talk to the younger generation about what an oppressive state looks like and try changing minds, seems like your pissing up a tree doing this, yes it looks that way. But without going full retard then what else you got to do to convince other people at this point.

There's nothing to fear posting about such a situation, government has paid hundreds of millions of dollars to lots of
people to hash out these scenarios minute by minute. They know exactly whats going to happen. Why do you think they go about their sleazy ways in such small increments?
An all out ban or confiscation will bring death and destruction to untold numbers of people and there will be little to stop it once it starts. It is a real multi faceted situation that will spiral out of control pretty quickly and the worse it gets the more opposition government will encounter on all fronts as the blame for it will be placed on government for their unconstitutional overreach.
 
https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/parti/titlexviii/chapter125/section10

"Section 10. All officers of such institutions, before entering upon the performance of their official duties, shall take and subscribe the following oaths:—''I, A.B., do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the commonwealth of Massachusetts, and will support the constitution thereof. So help me, God.'' ''I, A.B., do solemnly swear that I will obey the lawful orders of all my superior officers. So help me, God.'' ''I, A.B., do solemnly swear and affirm that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all duties incumbent on me in the office to which I have been appointed according to the best of my abilities and understanding, agreeably to the requirements of the constitution, the laws of the commonwealth, and the rules provided in accordance with law for the government of the correctional institutions of the commonwealth. So help me, God.'' The oath may be administered by any officer authorized by law to administer oaths, and a record thereof shall be in the possession of the principal officer of the appropriate institution."
 
There's nothing to fear posting about such a situation, government has paid hundreds of millions of dollars to lots of
people to hash out these scenarios minute by minute. They know exactly whats going to happen. Why do you think they go about their sleazy ways in such small increments?
An all out ban or confiscation will bring death and destruction to untold numbers of people and there will be little to stop it once it starts. It is a real multi faceted situation that will spiral out of control pretty quickly and the worse it gets the more opposition government will encounter on all fronts as the blame for it will be placed on government for their unconstitutional overreach.
Normies will blame "gun nuts/racists" while taking to FB to thank PD's for "keeping us safe ".
 
My point is the leftists have to know there will be SEVERE consequences to their wet dream of disarming US. As of NOW they think we're all a bunch of compliant sheep and they are immune to this. We must convince them that THEY will suffer more than us and the violence that will ensue will be blamed on THEM. The Leftists live in a fantasy world, they think it's OK to target us and we won't retaliate. Just look at Antifa and the left wing activists who assault people wearing a TRUMP hat or marching in a Straight Pride parade. They continue their actions because they don't suffer consequences. If they got the shit kicked out of them or we started showing up at their rallies and threw urine and blood on them this shit would stop immediately. The Leftists have not suffered because the media and many of the courts give them a pass and they think they're the righteous ones. Just look at the fool Bobby O'Roukes answer when asked how he would accomplish the confiscation if AR's and AK's. He has faith they we would FOLLOW THE LAW and just hand in our rifles. These people are that stupid.
 
I've spoken to more than one MSP officer who basically agreed with the "my life is #1 concern" notion. I don't know if I blame them. One used the equivalent of "shoot first, ask questions later."

There's no doubt there will be police and military on each side. For some reason, part of me thinks there will be more mil guys on the "good" side.

I don't know if "most" police will be on the good team. I think the overwhelming majority just want to retire and collect a pension and do their equivalent to 9-5. Not bad guys, but not running around screaming "SHALL....NOT..." either. All you gotta do is look up one of the facebook posts where a PD gloats about boning some dude over a gun that's not locked up or something to realize they are not all your friends.

Good and bad apples in all disciplines.


"I don't know if I blame them. One used the equivalent of "shoot first, ask questions later."

And...this is why innocent people are getting shot and killed. Theses days the police believe that their safety is more important than the people that they're sworn to serve and many people support that sentiment with that
"I don't know if I blame them" attitude. I definitely blame them. Their life is no more important than anyone else's merely due to their chosen profession. Then it's I feared for muh life and all is well.
 
What makes you think the police would respect your constitutional rights ? They don’t now!
Do you not read the papers & see how every day they stomp on people’s rights
They’ll do what they are told to do
I don’t believe you will see individual cops refusing to comply
That’s my op
I also don’t believe ANYONE will be taking our stuff away
Remember this is the same government that had been winning the war on drugs..... how’s that going....
 
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