VIDEO: SIG TRASH 320 Goes off by itself on range

aphextwin11 said:
Okay tough guys, would the army adopt the m17 as it's official handgun if it was so bad, like all the sig haters say? Are you really going to say mil spec isn't sufficient for EDC? Instructor looks like he's probably a glock fanboi and can't be trusted
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Lol this is either a really good troll post or? This is the same DOD that thought the Beretta 92 was better than a P226 back in
the day. (it clearly is not, in a whole bunch of ways) outside of unit cost. [rofl]

I'm going to make a WAG that the instructor never had an M&P, XD, or a Glock "just randomly fire while in a holster" during his class, either.

Is it a "Sig hater" to point out that they have some obvious SERIOUS f***ing problesm on their hands with this gun here? Can we at least acknowledge that reality? This is no longer just a phantasm of morons shooting themselves in the leg. lol. I own a P226 Legion SA and likely would get another P series gun, but I'm a "hater" for thinking that the company has a problem with the P320 and should do something about it instead of deeking and hiding from the industry on this issue. I'd rather see them fess up and fix the f***ing thing than fail and leave thousands of people with a pile of shit in their hands that retains no value.
 
GOCOUGS said:
Where are SIG sauers manufactured?
AI Overview



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SIG Sauer firearms are manufactured primarily in the United States, in Newington, New Hampshire, and also in Germany, in Eckernförde, by SIG Sauer GmbH. SIG Sauer Inc., the American company, makes the majority of their products, including the popular P320 and P365.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
United States:
SIG Sauer Inc. (formerly SIGARMS Inc.) manufactures firearms in Newington, New Hampshire. Ammunition is produced in Arkansas, and optics are made in Oregon.
Germany:
SIG Sauer GmbH in Eckernförde also manufactures firearms, but the American division has become the dominant force.
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The thing @whatluck was talking about was that some of Sig's P320 parts are actually made in india. s AKA the land of people shitting on train tracks, etc.
 
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aphextwin11 said:
Okay tough guys, would the army adopt the m17 as it's official handgun if it was so bad, like all the sig haters say? Are you really going to say mil spec isn't sufficient for EDC? Instructor looks like he's probably a glock fanboi and can't be trusted
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I think that there have been a few cases of the m17/m18 with the manual safeties also going off in holsters. I have no clue what the facts of those cases are, or if any manual safety sigs in the hands of consumers have had similar cases.

Sig won that contract because they came in with the lowest price and wanted to secure the ammo supply contract, which was much more profitable. I don’t think that the sig was the best firearm tested, but, the army was convinced that they needed a modular platform for size and a manual safety, and I don’t believe any of the other guns tested had both.
 
drgrant said:
Lol this is either a really good troll post or? This is the same DOD that thought the Beretta 92 was better than a P226 back in
the day. (it clearly is not, in a whole bunch of ways) outside of unit cost. [rofl]

I'm going to make a WAG that the instructor never had an M&P, XD, or a Glock "just randomly fire while in a holster" during his class, either.

Is it a "Sig hater" to point out that they have some obvious SERIOUS f***ing problesm on their hands with this gun here? Can we at least acknowledge that reality? This is no longer just a phantasm of morons shooting themselves in the leg. lol. I own a P226 Legion SA and likely would get another P series gun, but I'm a "hater" for thinking that the company has a problem with the P320 and should do something about it instead of deeking and hiding from the industry on this issue. I'd rather see them fess up and fix the f***ing thing than fail and leave thousands of people with a pile of shit in their hands that retains no value.
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jkelly1229 said:
I shot a regular 320 the other day and was actually impressed

I didn't like the vtac i had but the stock 320 wasn't total shit like i expected
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I owned two of them but sold both, for reasons that had nothing to do with this ND thing. Both post recall. No bullets in leg. I just have so many striker guns around here
that was enough. The Glocks and CZ P10s won, the sigs lost and got turned into a turkatron shotgun which I shot way more. They were not BAD handguns when I had
them. But god only knows if this is an iteration thing or some issue that occurs only after they bork while being loaded etc.
 
drgrant said:
[rofl]

Lol well all of the NDs require some movement, but not necessarily a trigger pull. It's obvious some of these guns have a "mechanical stability" problem.

What is curious about the video though is the instructor identified the gun as the problem. If he thought it was the students fault he would have kicked the student out.
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That video looks so staged.
 
aphextwin11 said:
Okay tough guys, would the army adopt the m17 as it's official handgun if it was so bad, like all the sig haters say? Are you really going to say mil spec isn't sufficient for EDC? Instructor looks like he's probably a glock fanboi and can't be trusted
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Thank you for providing the noobs a great example of black belt trolling. You should be a lulz professor.
 
Broc Tuah said:
That video looks so staged.
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It does, kinda, I won't dispute that. But that one in the police station definitely isnt, and there are at least two other videos of the guns just firing in the holster, however these havent leaked out into the public sphere for whatever reason.
 
aphextwin11 said:
Okay tough guys, would the army adopt the m17 as it's official handgun if it was so bad, like all the sig haters say? Are you really going to say mil spec isn't sufficient for EDC? Instructor looks like he's probably a glock fanboi and can't be trusted
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Not sure if serious. My sarcasm meter hasn’t been calibrated in a while. Anywho, I will treat SIG the same way I’ve been treating Eotech for something like 10 years now: if you send our (your) guys into harms way well knowing that they are carrying a sub par product that you made, you won’t get anymore of my money. Lowest bidder is OK when you buy food trays or shirts, but the buck stops at life saving stuff like firearms, so the army sure gets an equal part of the blame. The French and Brit’s had the good sense to go with the plain Jane G17. I’m sure they would have gotten the same price as the US, so you tell me why they would go a different and probably more expensive route? You think they don’t test and evaluate their stuff before plunking down millions? Or are they all just not as smart as the US military?
Contrary to popular opinion, “military grade “ is NOT an indicator for superior quality. I know that most if not all my shit, from boots to handguns and from boonie hats to rifles, is quite a bit better than anything issued.
 
Well, engaged posters name callers, maybe enter yiur thoughts on a poll.

cockpitbob

Post in thread 'P320 AD / ND Poll and Thread'

ND and the operator's fault. There is no such thing as an AD.
It is our responsibility to know our guns and keep them in working order. The first few NDs from Sigs are Sig's fault, but the issue is old enough and well known enough that it's the owner's responsibility to make sure it doesn't happen. Have a gunsmith check it, or sell it.
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frenchman said:
Not sure if serious. My sarcasm meter hasn’t been calibrated in a while. Anywho, I will treat SIG the same way I’ve been treating Eotech for something like 10 years now: if you send our (your) guys into harms way well knowing that they are carrying a sub par product that you made, you won’t get anymore of my money. Lowest bidder is OK when you buy food trays or shirts, but the buck stops at life saving stuff like firearms, so the army sure gets an equal part of the blame. The French and Brit’s had the good sense to go with the plain Jane G17. I’m sure they would have gotten the same price as the US, so you tell me why they would go a different and probably more expensive route? You think they don’t test and evaluate their stuff before plunking down millions? Or are they all just not as smart as the US military?
Contrary to popular opinion, “military grade “ is NOT an indicator for superior quality. I know that most if not all my shit, from boots to handguns and from boonie hats to rifles, is quite a bit better than anything issued.
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Not an Eotech apologist, but I think they got a bad wrap over nothing. Every single red dot optic that I'm aware of can suffer from the exact same issue(s) of not holding zero at temperature extremes. This includes Aimpoint, probably the most widely used red dot fielded by the US Military.

FWIW, I still like and use my Eotechs. I got rid of my first Aimpoint a while ago because it was big and heavy for a simple carbine red dot and I preferred the multi-use reticle of the Eotech. Looking at picking up a micro Aimpoint next for an SBR PCC where a light, simple dot with long battery life is likely the best option.
 
mav said:
Not an Eotech apologist, but I think they got a bad wrap over nothing. Every single red dot optic that I'm aware of can suffer from the exact same issue(s) of not holding zero at temperature extremes. This includes Aimpoint, probably the most widely used red dot fielded by the US Military.

FWIW, I still like and use my Eotechs. I got rid of my first Aimpoint a while ago because it was big and heavy for a simple carbine red dot and I preferred the multi-use reticle of the Eotech. Looking at picking up a micro Aimpoint next for an SBR PCC where a light, simple dot with long battery life is likely the best option.
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And that’s fine. It’s good to have choices. Different things work for different people. Aim points shift POI because of material expansion and contraction. Can’t fugg with physics. Eotech had fixable delaminating issues, but they didn’t do anything about it. That’s deliberate, and I’m not OK with that, when SOF around the world get issued with gear that comes with a possible failure already built in.
 
aphextwin11 said:
Okay tough guys, would the army adopt the m17 as it's official handgun if it was so bad, like all the sig haters say? Are you really going to say mil spec isn't sufficient for EDC? Instructor looks like he's probably a glock fanboi and can't be trusted
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You should read the requirements the military requires. It does a fantastic job at highlighting how the military knows very little about guns.

That m7 abomination is even worse.
 
GOCOUGS said:
Well, engaged posters name callers, maybe enter yiur thoughts on a poll.

cockpitbob

Post in thread 'P320 AD / ND Poll and Thread'

ND and the operator's fault. There is no such thing as an AD.
It is our responsibility to know our guns and keep them in working order. The first few NDs from Sigs are Sig's fault, but the issue is old enough and well known enough that it's the owner's responsibility to make sure it doesn't happen. Have a gunsmith check it, or sell it.
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Lol why would we vote in a poll that doesn't have enough choices?

It's pretty obvious some of thesw incidents are fraud, and others are more likely to actually involve wrongdoing on sig's part.
mav said:
Not an Eotech apologist, but I think they got a bad wrap over nothing. Every single red dot optic that I'm aware of can suffer from the exact same issue(s) of not holding zero at temperature extremes. This includes Aimpoint, probably the most widely used red dot fielded by the US Military.

FWIW, I still like and use my Eotechs. I got rid of my first Aimpoint a while ago because it was big and heavy for a simple carbine red dot and I preferred the multi-use reticle of the Eotech. Looking at picking up a micro Aimpoint next for an SBR PCC where a light, simple dot with long battery life is likely the best option.
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Problem is you can't sell something like an eotech with the ++ $ involved and not take heat for something like that. It's not a chinese noname optic.
 
whatluck said:

P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program | SIG SAUER

The P320® Voluntary Upgrade Program is a SIG SAUER initiative to upgrade P320 pistols at no additional cost.
www.sigsauer.com www.sigsauer.com

lololol
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What if I don’t want to upgrade the trigger assembly on my P320?


This is a voluntary service, as the P320 meets and exceeds all ANSI/SAAMI, NIJ, DOJ, California, Massachusetts, and safety standards. Sig Sauer welcomes all of its P320 owners to take advantage of this program.
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I love how MA has that bozo drop test that the 320 passed [rofl]

MA is useless
 
Dench said:
I love how MA has that bozo drop test that the 320 passed [rofl]

MA is useless
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I’m actually curious how things would work out if someone in MA had their’s legit go bang on it’s own. Could the person also sue the state because it was tested and approved?
 
drgrant said:
I dunno to me thats relatively polite treatment for someone that just brought a massive safety hazard onto the range.

In most shooting sports you have this happen to you, even without any risk of injury... you are DONE for the day, period end full stop. It's nothing personal...
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If either of this two things were true than I would agree that the student was spoken to appropriately:

The class had a policy in place banning this gun.

This happened due to a modification that the student made which resulted in an unsafe firearm.

But neither of those appear to be true. And I respect that you disagree, but to me the guy spoke to the student like a dick and I personally would not take a class from someone who acts like that.
 
LakeTrout said:
If either of this two things were true than I would agree that the student was spoken to appropriately:

The class had a policy in place banning this gun.

This happened due to a modification that the student made which resulted in an unsafe firearm.

But neither of those appear to be true. And I respect that you disagree, but to me the guy spoke to the student like a dick and I personally would not take a class from someone who acts like that.
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Lol if I was spoken to like that in a class after MY GUN WENT OFF UNCOMMANDED I sure AF wouldnt take it personally and wouldn't blame the instructor for having that kind of tone.

That kind of situation is firmly within the realm of "not normal" and expecting someone to not be a little agitated about it is kinda unreasonable.
 
GOCOUGS said:
Where are SIG sauers manufactured?
AI Overview



+1
SIG Sauer firearms are manufactured primarily in the United States, in Newington, New Hampshire, and also in Germany, in Eckernförde, by SIG Sauer GmbH. SIG Sauer Inc., the American company, makes the majority of their products, including the popular P320 and P365.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
United States:
SIG Sauer Inc. (formerly SIGARMS Inc.) manufactures firearms in Newington, New Hampshire. Ammunition is produced in Arkansas, and optics are made in Oregon.
Germany:
SIG Sauer GmbH in Eckernförde also manufactures firearms, but the American division has become the dominant force.
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Interesting i wouldve thought their optics were chinese
 
drgrant said:
I owned two of them but sold both, for reasons that had nothing to do with this ND thing. Both post recall. No bullets in leg. I just have so many striker guns around here
that was enough. The Glocks and CZ P10s won, the sigs lost and got turned into a turkatron shotgun which I shot way more. They were not BAD handguns when I had
them. But god only knows if this is an iteration thing or some issue that occurs only after they bork while being loaded etc.
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Yeah I understand that whole heartedly

It was my cousins gun and I'm never gonna get another so why not. The vtac was fine but just another striker

I was just shocked how well i shot it..considering every time I picked one up at a store I was like this is complete trash
 
drgrant said:
Lol if I was spoken to like that in a class after MY GUN WENT OFF UNCOMMANDED I sure AF wouldnt take it personally and wouldn't blame the instructor for having that kind of tone.

That kind of situation is firmly within the realm of "not normal" and expecting someone to not be a little agitated about it is kinda unreasonable.
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How do we know it was uncommanded? You can not tell from that video.
 

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