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Vermont passes law to make paramilitary training camps illegal.

VTski4x4 said:
"Shouldn't" being the operative word.
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I think the current administration and particularly those who are pulling its strings have flipped upside down what would normally be a "should" or "shouldn't". One must keep in mind that progressives consider the Constitution to be an archaic document of suggestions written by white oppressors to facilitate the keeping of their slaves in check.
 
Vermont has become Southern Canada. It is a liberal shithole. This particular bill is targeting a specific organization, "Slate Ridge"
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Republican Gov. Phil Scott “has significant concerns about the constitutionality of the waiting period provision.”
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So Vermont passed a 72 hour waiting period because 88% of gun deaths are suicide. Then votes to allow people from other states to come to Vermont to commit suicide. LOL. So it is OK to kill yourself as long as you ask the government first.

Oh and the magazine ban from a couple of years ago.
 
Fritz the Cat said:
Vermont has become Southern Canada. It is a liberal shithole. This particular bill is targeting a specific organization, "Slate Ridge"
www.benningtonbanner.com

Slate Ridge owner faces contempt motion

PAWLET — Daniel Banyai’s Second Amendment picnic at Slate Ridge was a success by all accounts but he is now facing a civil contempt charge from the Town of Pawlet.
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Vermont advances nonresident medically assisted suicide bill

MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) — A bill that would make Vermont the second state in the country to allow terminally ill nonresidents to seek medically assisted suicide was approved by a state legislative committee on Tuesday.
apnews.com apnews.com

www.burlingtonfreepress.com

Legislature passes waiting period law for gun purchases

Republican Gov. Phil Scott “has significant concerns about the constitutionality of the waiting period provision.”
www.burlingtonfreepress.com

So Vermont passed a 72 hour waiting period because 88% of gun deaths are suicide. Then votes to allow people from other states to come to Vermont to commit suicide. LOL. So it is OK to kill yourself as long as you ask the government first.

Oh and the magazine ban from a couple of years ago.
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This is all about Slate Ridge. That mess has been going on for years and the state decided to use a nuke.
 
Uzi2 said:

From the article:
...that will be used in or in furtherance of a civil disorder.
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That is the part that matters. Who would get to be the arbiter of how what a training group teaches "will be used"? But the bill does not actually say that; it says:
...if the person knows or reasonably should know that the teaching, training, or demonstrating is intended to be used in or in furtherance of a civil disorder...
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https://legislature.vermont.gov/Doc... Passed by Both House and Senate Official.pdf

"...reasonably should know..." the training "...is intended to be used..." sounds even worse.
 
In God We Trust said:
If they did this in MA, wouldn’t that make the mandatory firearms safety course illegal?
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No. The law specifically excludes
"(4) any facility, program, or lawful activity related to firearms instruction and training that is intended to teach the safe handling and use of firearms;"

For a valid arrest under the law, the State would have to show probable cause of "knowledge of or intent to cause or further a civil disorder" and prove that beyond a reasonable doubt to convict. Rhode Island and Virginia, for example, have similar laws.
 
peterk123 said:
Well heck, a gun club/ range might hit the criteria. Vermont, wow.
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A lot of clubs and organizations have some text in their membership application about not being a felon or seeking to overthrow government, just for those legal and liability purposes. In general, national & state firearms associations have not come to the rescue of organizations that make such disclaimers but add “legitimate government” to their mission statements, while advocating current governments are not legitimate.

On the Overton Window scale (Unthinkable, Radical, Acceptable, Sensible, Popular, Policy) groups with avowed missions of training to defend such “legitimate government” are on the low end of the scale. Countries that devolve into civil turmoil usually divide into factions that each charge the other with being Unthinaables.

When 1/2 of states move in one direction, it’s either time for SCOTUS to step in or for that fraction to jump to 2/3, then 3/4, then 4/5. There’s no circuit splits on the matter, so I think we’re looking for that rapid increase in states with such laws. As we approach Go-Time/TSHTF, those laws will be used to round up suspects to little avail. Once set in motion, events will transpire to a messy end.

“Today, Vermont joins 25 other states that prohibit firearms training for anti-government paramilitary activity," said Allison Anderman, senior counsel and the leader of Giffords’ Guns & Democracy project.”
 
Parker Schreiber said:
No. The law specifically excludes
"(4) any facility, program, or lawful activity related to firearms instruction and training that is intended to teach the safe handling and use of firearms;"

For a valid arrest under the law, the State would have to show probable cause of "knowledge of or intent to cause or further a civil disorder" and prove that beyond a reasonable doubt to convict. Rhode Island and Virginia, for example, have similar laws.
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They'd use their NES membership as proof.
 
MAGA99 said:
How will this jive with my 11yo’s tip to a Boy Scout camp in VT this summer (I’d rather it be in state but VT has a smoking deal for the pack)…..BSA is modeled after (loosely) the military. They promote all sorts of different life skills training, including firearms safety and useage….as well as safe swimming and boating practices, first aid, hiking, making due with what you’ve got….
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Unforms, Salutes, Ranks that appear on insignia worn on uniform, Units called "Troops" - and since I was in decades ago, designation "Class A" and "Class B" uniforms. As I understand it, they do not address new members are recruits or maggot (yet....)
 
Uzi2 said:

From the article:
Vermont on Monday made it a crime to own or operate paramilitary training camps in the state after Republican Gov. Phil Scott signed legislation introduced in response to a firearms training facility built without permits that neighbors called a menace.

Violators face up to five years in prison or a fine up to $50,000 or both, according to the law. It prohibits a person from teaching, training, or demonstrating to anyone else the use, application, or making of a firearm, explosive, or incendiary device capable of causing injury or death that will be used in or in furtherance of a civil disorder. It also bans a person from assembling with others for such training, instruction or practice.

The gun violence prevention group led by former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, of Arizona, who was forced to give up her political career when she was disabled in a 2011 assassination attempt, praised Vermont's law.

Yes, THIS Gabrielle Giffords..........View attachment 750798
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This bill was a direct response to the a**h*** in Pawlet who couldn’t manage to play nice with his neighbors.

Slate Ridge Vermont - Wikipedia

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rali said:
This bill was a direct response to the a**h*** in Pawlet who couldn’t manage to play nice with his neighbors.

Slate Ridge Vermont - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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That guy seems like a huge dingus.

Discharged from the Army after 2 weeks and then decides to be a military contractor who possibly never actually worked a contract, before becoming an instructor. 🙄
 
Parker Schreiber said:
No. The law specifically excludes
"(4) any facility, program, or lawful activity related to firearms instruction and training that is intended to teach the safe handling and use of firearms;"

For a valid arrest under the law, the State would have to show probable cause of "knowledge of or intent to cause or further a civil disorder" and prove that beyond a reasonable doubt to convict. Rhode Island and Virginia, for example, have similar laws.
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no.... DA's and judges say "the suspect is guilty because we say so" and instruct the jury accordingly
 
Uzi2 said:

From the article:
Vermont on Monday made it a crime to own or operate paramilitary training camps in the state after Republican Gov. Phil Scott signed legislation introduced in response to a firearms training facility built without permits that neighbors called a menace.

Violators face up to five years in prison or a fine up to $50,000 or both, according to the law. It prohibits a person from teaching, training, or demonstrating to anyone else the use, application, or making of a firearm,
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Sounds like every sportsman's club I've seen.

Keep your powder dry. [popcorn]
 

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