Venezuelan Army Can Shoot Protesters: Effective Immediately

[Smokewagon]

Because only the government should have guns: http://panampost.com/sabrina-martin...y-can-shoot-protesters-effective-immediately/

Resolution 008610, signed by General-in-Chief and Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino López, establishes the “use of force, with a firearm or any other potentially lethal weapon” as the last resort to “prevent disorder, support the legitimately constituted authority, and counter all aggression, immediately confronting it with the necessary measures.”

It's too bad they don't have a constitution that prevent such things.

Oh wait:

Article 68 of the Constitution, however, stipulates: “The use of firearms and toxic substances to control peaceful demonstrations is prohibited.”

Don't worry folks it couldn't ever happen here though...

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/01/29/bratton-unveils-plans-for-new-anti-terror-police-unit/

The Strategic Response Group, Bratton said, will be dedicated to “disorder control and counterterrorism protection capabilities.”
It is designed for dealing with events like our recent protests, or incidents like Mumbai or what just happened in Paris,” the commissioner said.

“They’ll be equipped and trained in ways that our normal patrol officers are not,” Bratton said. “They’ll be equipped with all the extra heavy protective gear, with the long rifles and machine guns — unfortunately sometimes necessary in these instances.”

 

[Horrible]

Hmmm. Constitution ignored by dictators.

Where have I seen this before?

 

[Hoover]

They have a constitution, it's written in pencil. The country is circling the drain, at a point it blows up for good. It is hanging on by a thread and the low oil prices may be the nail in the coffin. Socialism has destroyed the country. The production of various industries pre hugo chavez nationalizing them and post is striking. No one wants to work, the gov't runs or steals everything and it's a mess.

As margaret thatcher said, the problem with socialism is at a point, you run out of other peoples money.

 

[grey]

They have a constitution, it's written in pencil. The country is circling the drain, at a point it blows up for good. It is hanging on by a thread and the low oil prices may be the nail in the coffin. Socialism has destroyed the country. The production of various industries pre hugo chavez nationalizing them and post is striking. No one wants to work, the gov't runs or steals everything and it's a mess.

As margaret thatcher said, the problem with socialism is at a point, you run out of other peoples money.

Anyone with anything left, especially those with educations, have left. The longterm outlook is bleak. And that latest decree might be making some in this country jealous

 

[Horrible]

They have a constitution, it's written in pencil. The country is circling the drain, at a point it blows up for good. It is hanging on by a thread and the low oil prices may be the nail in the coffin. Socialism has destroyed the country. The production of various industries pre hugo chavez nationalizing them and post is striking. No one wants to work, the gov't runs or steals everything and it's a mess.

As margaret thatcher said, the problem with socialism is at a point, you run out of other peoples money.

How long before the U.S. gets there?

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Anyone with anything left, especially those with educations, have left. The longterm outlook is bleak. And that latest decree might be making some in this country jealous

Probably. This is why they want to disarm us so bad. It's much easier to control a populace that doesn't shoot back.

 

[Waher]

This happens when a political class is corrupt and believes it can get away with looting a country.

The behavior of Deleo this week. Literally kicking the free press out of chambers because he wanted a coronation in private. Make it clear what our local political class thinks of the people. One can only hope he is removed from by the jury box as the soap and ballot boxes have already been negated by corruption or apathy. (if the press wasn't a bunch of lapdogs they would have refused to leave, been arrested, and called in EVERY MEDIA OUTLET to storm the chamber and demand to observe the proceedings)

With the fear of private judgement in morality and faith in ultimate judgement by God/high power/whathaveyou gone from most political life, it is only the ultimate fear of public judgement is the only thing which keeps politicians in line. Be it the soap box, jury box, ballot box, or cartridge box. It is why the corrupt ALWAYS want to disarm the populace because it is the last resort of the public and check against power.

 

[the_shootist]

American culture will not allow us to get there. When the government physically starts to confiscate weapons from citizens that will be the SHTF moment for America. Think about it....will you hand over your weapons to the nice policeman simply because he came to your house to get them?

How long before the U.S. gets there?

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Probably. This is why they want to disarm us so bad. It's much easier to control a populace that doesn't shoot back.

 

[Boris]

Are they still giving Joe oil? I heard that fuel oil is commie red color.

 

[Horrible]

Are they still giving Joe oil? I heard that fuel oil is commie red color.

Probably. These liberal pols and formal pols will do anything to have power over people. Dependence leads to power and ultimately money. Good ole Joe netted over a $1M from his dealings with Chavez while the Venezuelan people starved.

 

[Smokewagon]

American culture will not allow us to get there. When the government physically starts to confiscate weapons from citizens that will be the SHTF moment for America. Think about it....will you hand over your weapons to the nice policeman simply because he came to your house to get them?

I hope that moment never comes but I'm betting that we have already allowed things that our founding fathers never would have.

 

[Waher]

Are they still giving Joe oil? I heard that fuel oil is commie red color.

No and that's why there haven't been the annoying ads this year. There's not enough oil to steal from poor people there to give to richer poor people here for propaganda purposes anymore. El Presidente Maduro desperately needs the cash domestically from selling oil to keep the army bribed from turning on him

The collapsing price of oil is going to lead to another revolution in Venezuela and some embarrassing economic/political stuff in Brazil in the lead up to the next Olympics.

 

[Hoover]

Probably. These liberal pols and formal pols will do anything to have power over people. Dependence leads to power and ultimately money. Good ole Joe netted over a $1M from his dealings with Chavez while the Venezuelan people starved.

Oh, I think he made much more than that. Joe was paying himself nearly $800k/yr as CEO and his was was getting another $300k/yr as VP. I think the wife may have been closer to $350k too.

Remember when the moron kennedy (yeah which one, right?) head butted the tree playing football while skiing? Joe was shocked what he was making from the company joe started long ago. That's why joe left congress and never looked back. He could make a ton more money and he has.

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No and that's why there haven't been the annoying ads this year. There's not enough oil to steal from poor people there to give to richer poor people here for propaganda purposes anymore. El Presidente Maduro desperately needs the cash domestically from selling oil to keep the army bribed from turning on him

The collapsing price of oil is going to lead to another revolution in Venezuela and some embarrassing economic/political stuff in Brazil in the lead up to the next Olympics.

Agree. Those commies on south america need a bullet in the head. Brazilian ones too.

 

[71montess]

And the liberal Joe Kennedy, who backs the clean energy proposals from the left, at the same time looking like robin hood to the poor, knows it only makes energy MORE expensive. But it saves the environment you know. Wait till average Joe homeowner needs a new boiler and in the near future finds out you need a $10,000.00 boiler instead of the old style in your chimney kind.

 

[spider murphy]

American culture will not allow us to get there. When the government physically starts to confiscate weapons from citizens that will be the SHTF moment for America. Think about it....will you hand over your weapons to the nice policeman simply because he came to your house to get them?

I think you may be overestimating the testicular fortitude of the average American.

 

[GaryO]

I think you may be overestimating the testicular fortitude of the average Obama supporter.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Terminator03]

They have a constitution, it's written in pencil. The country is circling the drain, at a point it blows up for good. It is hanging on by a thread and the low oil prices may be the nail in the coffin. Socialism has destroyed the country. The production of various industries pre hugo chavez nationalizing them and post is striking. No one wants to work, the gov't runs or steals everything and it's a mess.

As margaret thatcher said, the problem with socialism is at a point, you run out of other peoples money.

Too bad Obama never understood this!

 

[spider murphy]

Too bad Obama never understood this!

Oh, he understands that. He's counting on it. Once we are all broke, we'll all finally be "equal".

 

[calsdad]

They have a constitution, it's written in pencil. The country is circling the drain, at a point it blows up for good. It is hanging on by a thread and the low oil prices may be the nail in the coffin. Socialism has destroyed the country. The production of various industries pre hugo chavez nationalizing them and post is striking. No one wants to work, the gov't runs or steals everything and it's a mess.

As margaret thatcher said, the problem with socialism is at a point, you run out of other peoples money.

Greece is headed down the same road. I think this stuff is excellent. I hope both Venezuala and Greece both blow up and disintegrate in spectacular fashion. Makes for much more lively dinner conversation when you're handing some socialist twat his head over his support for Obamacare or some other insipid government program.

 

[calsdad]

Greece is going down the pooper too:

http://www.mauldineconomics.com/the...hsounds-like-a-great-idea-until-you-get-there

I’ve been following the activities of Syriza for a long time. They started putting up big numbers in the polls in Greece three or four years ago.

Syriza has a message that’s very popular with Greeks: Screw Germany. The word they use to describe what’s happened to Greece during the period of time since the debt crisis is “humiliation.”

To be fair, if you owe a lot of money to someone, it can be tempting to give them the finger. When Greece’s debt was restructured, it was done in such a fashion that none of the debt was really forgiven, but the maturities were extended far out in the future. Since Greece doesn’t grow (for structural, demographic, and cultural reasons), this is known as extend and pretend. Everyone knew, even back then, that the only hope Greece would have to avoid default would be whatever ability they had to refinance.

Greece has been struggling under the yoke of this debt over the last few years, and the Greeks are sick of being serfs. So Europe gets the bird, although deep down, Greece doesn’t really want to drop out of the euro. They get a lot of benefits from being part of the Eurozone, namely purchasing power and low interest rates.

So naturally, having and eating their cake simultaneously is the goal.

But Alexis Tsipras (the head of Syriza) will threaten to not pay to get what he wants, and it will be interesting to see if Germany will call his bluff. The German people have a pretty low opinion of Greece these days, so if it’s politically palatable to eject Greece from the euro, Merkel might do it.

But Tsipras at least has a credible bargaining chip: He says he can deliver higher tax revenues through better enforcement, as Greeks are notorious tax cheats. If he can pull it off, then Greece may not default.

That’s all a very nice story, but I don’t believe it for a second. There will be no increased tax revenue. It’s all talk.

I want to talk a little about Syriza and who they are, because the mainstream press likes to frame them as an “anti-austerity” party. But they are much more than that. In reality, they are just one step away from full communism.

If you don’t believe me, take a look at the Syriza Wikipedia page. SYRIZA, which is an acronym of the Greek words for Coalition of the Radical Left, until recently, wasn’t really a party at all—just a collection of parties cobbled together under the auspices of screwing creditors.

Here’s a list of the parties that coalesced under the umbrella of Syriza:

Active Citizens

Anticapitalist Political Group

Citizens’ Association of Riga

Communist Organization of Greece (KOE):

Communist Platform of Syriza: Greek section of the International Marxist Tendency

Democratic Social Movement (DIKKI)

Ecosocialists of Greece

Internationalist Workers’ Left (DEA)

Movement for the United in Action Left (KEDA)

New Fighter

Radical Left Group Roza

Radicals

Red

Renewing Communist Ecological Left (AKOA)

Synaspismós

Union of the Democratic Centre

Unitary Movement

And a number of independent leftist activists

Sounds like some nice folks you’d have over for dinner and a game of Trivial Pursuit.

In addition to debt forgiveness, Syriza wants a bunch of other stuff, including forgiveness of bank debt for people who are unable to meet their obligations. It’s no coincidence that the Greek stock market was down 13% when the snap election was announced, led by the banks.

In the entire post-World War II period, you’d be hard pressed to find a farther-left national government in Europe than what Greece has now.

In the interest of full disclosure, I think it’s important to point out that I’m a very free-market kind of guy, and if something is bad for markets, I oppose it. I think the Greek Syriza experiment will turn out very badly, and the Greeks will end up with a sharply lower standard of living, however that comes about.

If it comes about by exiting the euro, an immediate consequence will be that they can count on a very weak drachma and high interest rates, possibly followed by high inflation. There will be food and energy shortages. There will be pretty much everything you had in Cuba and Venezuela, just in a less extreme form. Economic misery will abound. And just as a reminder, it is very hard for such places to be governed democratically.

Every once in a while finance gives us these gifts—little controlled experiments where you can watch how two competing economic philosophies play out. East and West Germany. North and South Korea. Even among the 50 US states. As you go around the world, you can see what works and what doesn’t.

Go Greece! Go Venezuala!

 

[Quiet]

Perhaps the way to play this with your fence-sitting friends is to mention that the Venezuelans have taken away guns and now they have passed a law contrary to their constitution to allow themselves to shoot demonstrators.

Your lib friends will say it'll never happen.

Then when it does -because it will- dance on the graves of the dead protesters to protect our 2A rights. Even if by some miracle it doesn't happen you've lost nothing.

The punchline is always dependent on a good setup. Do the setup now.

 

[calsdad]

Perhaps the way to play this with your fence-sitting friends is to mention that the Venezuelans have taken away guns and now they have passed a law contrary to their constitution to allow themselves to shoot demonstrators.

Your lib friends will say it'll never happen.

Then when it does -because it will- dance on the graves of the dead protesters to protect our 2A rights. Even if by some miracle it doesn't happen you've lost nothing.

The punchline is always dependent on a good setup. Do the setup now.

Unfortunately - that is an effective tactic. The "setup" was part of the reason why I liked the Ron Paul campaign in the last presidential election - he kept saying : "if you keep doing these stupid things - this bad stuff is going to happen".

Everybody would laugh at him - and then all the bad stuff would happen just as predicted.

 

[Lank]

"Socialism only works when everything is mandatory, communism only works when you cant escape it".

I may be a bit off but Andrew Wilkow (who I am quoting here) got it right.

 

[calsdad]

American culture will not allow us to get there. When the government physically starts to confiscate weapons from citizens that will be the SHTF moment for America. Think about it....will you hand over your weapons to the nice policeman simply because he came to your house to get them?

I used to think that - I'm not so sure about it any more.

And besides - having firearms really doesnt' accomplish a damn thing if you don't have it in your heart to fight for something better.

There's a very high percentage of the American public that really thinks we do have freedom here - and wholeheartedly support us going to war against foreign countries that had nothing to do with terrorist attacks against this country - to "protect our freedoms".

They then conveniently ignore the fact that not only did we LOSE freedoms by going into that war - but WE LOST THE WAR.

And they want to go do the same thing over again.

I'm not real confident that all the guns in the world will help save a bunch of people whose heads are so ****ed up they don't even know what liberty really is - and don't know what this country was founded on any more.

There were AK's all over Iraq - our troops found them when they went in there. That didn't stop the country from being run by a brutal dictator.

The Founding Fathers put the 2nd amendment in the Bill of Rights because they had a country all around them made up of people who had come out and opposed the British crown thru both thought and action. In order to translate that thought and action into results - when you're getting opposed by an army - you need guns to shoot that army down.

We barely have any thought of liberty any more - never mind any action. The guns are close to useless once that happens. There's not a lot of people who have figured this shit out yet.

 

[weldingmachine]

American culture will not allow us to get there. When the government physically starts to confiscate weapons from citizens that will be the SHTF moment for America. Think about it....will you hand over your weapons to the nice policeman simply because he came to your house to get them?

The new "culture" of this country will be our very undoing.
Keep in mind, that cop WILL not be alone, & you may very well be.
Any one that refuses surrender will only get 1 encounter.
Myself included..

 

[Boris]

I used to think that - I'm not so sure about it any more.

And besides - having firearms really doesnt' accomplish a damn thing if you don't have it in your heart to fight for something better.

There's a very high percentage of the American public that really thinks we do have freedom here - and wholeheartedly support us going to war against foreign countries that had nothing to do with terrorist attacks against this country - to "protect our freedoms".

They then conveniently ignore the fact that not only did we LOSE freedoms by going into that war - but WE LOST THE WAR.

And they want to go do the same thing over again.

I'm not real confident that all the guns in the world will help save a bunch of people whose heads are so ****ed up they don't even know what liberty really is - and don't know what this country was founded on any more.

There were AK's all over Iraq - our troops found them when they went in there. That didn't stop the country from being run by a brutal dictator.

The Founding Fathers put the 2nd amendment in the Bill of Rights because they had a country all around them made up of people who had come out and opposed the British crown thru both thought and action. In order to translate that thought and action into results - when you're getting opposed by an army - you need guns to shoot that army down.

We barely have any thought of liberty any more - never mind any action. The guns are close to useless once that happens. There's not a lot of people who have figured this shit out yet.

All true, but revolutions aren't made by a majority, but by a smaller and well determined minority. Soviet Revolution, bolsheviks were far from majority and had to make deals with several other major parties. French revolution had very small leadership at the core that went apeshit. American revolution, independence wasn't exactly what majority craved, some were persuaded, some were forced and still a good portion of the country remained loyalist.

 

[Bob P]

They have a constitution, it's written in pencil. The country is circling the drain, at a point it blows up for good. It is hanging on by a thread and the low oil prices may be the nail in the coffin. Socialism has destroyed the country. The production of various industries pre hugo chavez nationalizing them and post is striking. No one wants to work, the gov't runs or steals everything and it's a mess.

As margaret thatcher said, the problem with socialism is at a point, you run out of other peoples money.

Venezuela is in trouble due to low oil prices. Their entire economy is tied to oil as much as any of the OPEC nations. When oil prices were high it was a different story.

 

[gamma19]

American culture will not allow us to get there. When the government physically starts to confiscate weapons from citizens that will be the SHTF moment for America. Think about it....will you hand over your weapons to the nice policeman simply because he came to your house to get them?

This is why American cultural values like independence, self-ownership/self-reliance, and freedom are being attacked on a cultural level via things like common core, political correctness, "social justice" etc. The upcoming generation is being taught that those principles are "conservative", "traditional" etc (in a negative tone) and to rely on others (principally .gov) to take care of them. People in their their mid 20s still living and being taken care of by their parents, kids being expelled for saying "gun" in school etc. These are symptoms of a cultural shift taking place right now to erode the American fabric.

 

[calsdad]

This is why American cultural values like independence, self-ownership/self-reliance, and freedom are being attacked on a cultural level via things like common core, political correctness, "social justice" etc. The upcoming generation is being taught that those principles are "conservative", "traditional" etc (in a negative tone) and to rely on others (principally .gov) to take care of them. People in their their mid 20s still living and being taken care of by their parents, kids being expelled for saying "gun" in school etc. These are symptoms of a cultural shift taking place right now to erode the American fabric.

You're forgetting one of the big ones: War.

This country has been constantly at war for as long as I can remember. I am 50 years old - and I honestly can't remember when the country has NOT been in one war or another.

There is no other country on the face of the planet - that has been in as many wars as this one has over the last 50 years.

The Founding Fathers said - and said very strongly: WAR is the death of liberty. Dwight D. Eisenhower also warned us against basically the exact same thing - AND HE SHOULD KNOW.

One of the major successes that the powers that be have had in getting the people of this country to basically enslave themselves - is to convince them to froth at the mouth and demand their enslavement thru war - just by offering them up a enemy over and over again. When the last one stops working - make up a new one.

The American people are driving their own train into the camps. And when you try to warn them - they get all pissed off about it and tell you you're a terrorist.

 

[Hoover]

Greece is headed down the same road. I think this stuff is excellent. I hope both Venezuala and Greece both blow up and disintegrate in spectacular fashion. Makes for much more lively dinner conversation when you're handing some socialist twat his head over his support for Obamacare or some other insipid government program.

That new party the Greeks elected, oh brother. It's almost like the Greeks have an economic death wish. Yeah, go ahead and tell Germany and other creditors to screw and they'll put Greece in a vise and squeeze. The greeks are lazy. So many people get money from the gov't, etc. I hope they do try full socialism and get it good and hard.

The EU will implode at some point too. Not like Greece is going to but the EU will dissolve as a gov't body. There are far too many differences with all those countries, different cultures, different types of economies, etc.

 

[calsdad]

That new party the Greeks elected, oh brother. It's almost like the Greeks have an economic death wish. Yeah, go ahead and tell Germany and other creditors to screw and they'll put Greece in a vise and squeeze. The greeks are lazy. So many people get money from the gov't, etc. I hope they do try full socialism and get it good and hard.

The EU will implode at some point too. Not like Greece is going to but the EU will dissolve as a gov't body. There are far too many differences with all those countries, different cultures, different types of economies, etc.

It's sort of ironic that all those Garands that the CMP received back a few years ago - were coming out of Greek armories. They had originally been sent there so that Greece could fight a communist revolution back in the late 40's. So they decide to finally dump all the Garands - and their ammo - and send them back to the US. Not too long after - the country goes full Commie retard anyway. Coincidence?