Drano would have to be taken out of the cabinet and handed to the kid poured into a glass by an adult for a better analogy.
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UZI " Hearing" on Beacon Hill
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Drano would have to be taken out of the cabinet and handed to the kid poured into a glass by an adult for a better analogy.
Actually, no.
More like letting the kid rid a 1000cc motorcycle when he has no experience.
One is intentional poisoning, the other is bad judgment.
Cry me a river. I can't even get a pistol license in my town. I could give a rats ass about machine gun regulations. I'll never be able to own one and neither will 99% of the population. I say to hell with your precious little machine gun license. People need to start focusing on the real problem which is discretionary licensing for handguns.
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What town, and what is being used as the justification for denial? It's fairly common to have towns that will only issue restricted licenses, and there are a few that try the LTC-B cramdown, but there is usually some reason (purported or real) for an outright denial. Even Boston, Brookline and Cambridge issue restricted licenses to normal people.
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That attitude sucks. His MG license is part of his rights, just as much as your pistol license is part of yours. The fact that you live in a restrictive town does NOT give you the right to shit on ATR for his valid concern over how this could (and most likely will) affect MG owners in Mass. I'm quite sure he spent the medium bucks (probably the big bucks actually) on his MGs, and he's got the clean record and tenacity to legally own them. He has valid concerns here, as do we all.
Smarten up.
Your right, with that attitude you will never get a pistol license. That's because if all of us do not stick up for all of our rights then eventually none of us will have any rights. That's the problem. Stop contributing to it.
I had no idea attitude was a measure of freedom. Maybe you should be the judge of who gets a license and who doesn't. From your tone, I'd say your LTC -A ALP went straight to your head and now your talking to me like you'd like to see my rights further violated.
Supreme Court never said you had a right to a machine gun. They did however mention handguns. You are bitching about something you don't even have a right to own. And you show utter disrespect for me and my inability to purchase a handgun.
SMARTEN UP!
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Mossy Oak said:
The Supreme Court did not say either way whether or not anyone had a right to own a machine gun.
They said (in dicta) that they would probably uphold current restrictions as they exist now on machine guns. That means the current proceedure that describes the process ofr Class 3 licenses.
If you throw the MG guys under the bus now, you can expect that sometime in the future it'll be you also thrown under the bus.
I'd say your tone isn't a whole hell of a lot better- basically acting like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum because someone has something you don't- not exactly a stellar way to introduce yourself.
You're not very well read on the 2nd amendment, apparently. You might want to do more reading here and less posting, frankly, before you dig yourself into a hole that's any
deeper.
-Mike
If you can't purchase a handgun it's either because A) you've disqualified yourself through your own actions (Done something to rate you as unsuitable by your local Chief, maybe? Maybe have an OUI? Lie on your application?), or B) you can't/won't go about it the correct way. Crying poor me without bothering to say where you are or giving more facts leaves you open to an extremely reasonable - and deserving - amount of apathy in this forum.
First of all don't tell me to smarten up. Show some respect. Judging by the way you come off, I'd say that might have something to do with you not being able to obtain an LTC. Care to expand on the reasons why you were denied? Or atleast why you believe you will be denied if you haven't been already?
Finally, you need to realize that the SCOTUS ruling on the Heller case does not apply to the states at this point and if you live in MA, which I assume you do, your right to own a firearm for purposes other than I believe defense of the state or similiar is not a protected right. That means that machine guns and handguns are in the same category of being not your right to own. Which further encourages me to suggest again to you that you stop for a minute and consider defending the rights of all gunowners and not just yourself. Divided we fall, and we know that our oponents recognize this and use it as a tactic against us. Ever hear of a man by the name of Rosenthal?
I think it's a fair discussion and not trolling. Do you honestly think you can get a MG license in this state without being part of some special click? How could you support that? Do taxpayers pay for the ammunition these cops and their friends burn through at the range?
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It depends on the town. And it' spelled clique, not click.
We could spend all night trying to educate you on firearms law and the Constitution, but since you obviously have internet access you can do that all by your lonesome. Physician, heal thyself.
I will, however, strongly recommend you look through the law forums on here. You'll save yourself a lot of time and effort.
I will, however, strongly recommend you look through the law forums on here. You'll save yourself a lot of time and effort.
I don't mean to sound disrespectful but with this statement you have shown that you have no understanding of constitutional rights, laws, etc., and how they affect people. You really need to do your research before you jump on this forum and make rediculous statements like these and the ones you have already made.
Here is a hint: If you are this misinformed, just ask. That is all. There are lawyers on this board and folks who generally want to help out. But you need to ask for help rather than come out attacking everyone and throwing a temper tantrum.
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Your apparent frustration and anger while perhaps understandable is very misdirected. You've been here less than 1 month and the tone of several post says quite a bit about the fact that your angry. No reason to bring it against the people trying to help and change the system though.
Good Luck
I asked my local Dept and was told no problem, you want one, you get one.
I'm not a cop.
Lighten up.
State House News: You knew this was coming...
...we are our own worst enemy sometimes.
REVENUES
The fiscal situation has increased pressure on revenues, most recently manifest on Friday when the Mass. Turnpike Authority Board advanced a toll hike worth $90 million and $100 million, effective next spring. Some doubt Patrick’s broader plan, to consolidate transportation agencies and transfer billions in debt, as simply a way of shifting costs, with little real upside. Patrick has publicly criticized the idea of raising the state’s 21-cent-per-gallon gas tax, although it is unclear what impact the recent plummet in oil and gas prices will have on the dynamics of that idea, pushed by some lawmakers and Pike board members as a more equitable solution. Proponents of expanded gambling pounced on the state’s Nov. 4 vote to ban dog racing by calling for slot machines at the state’s four racetracks, two of which will likely be decimated by the removal of their live racing privileges, set to expire on Jan. 1, 2010. Casinos are also likely to re-emerge as a partial funding solution, and Mohegan Sun last month leased 152 acres in Palmer, near the Mass. Turnpike, as a potential casino site. The administration has also renewed its push to allow cities and towns to levy their own taxes on meals and lodging. Another potential stream of new revenues comes from the state’s expansion of health coverage, where employers have criticized requests for “fair share” contributions to the complicated balancing act. The governor could take another crack at upping gun license fees as well, after a failed attempt to do so in a July supplemental budget. The effort was thwarted after a loud outcry from gun rights advocates and supportive lawmakers, several of whom are licensed to pack pistols of their own. But with the recent outcry over the death of an 8-year-old boy who shot himself while handling an Uzi – Attorney General Martha Coakley has predicted changes in the gun laws as a result – a new opportunity to squeeze out new revenue may have presented itself.
As individuals and as clubs SAFETY FIRST as it affects us ALL.
Granted, no system or activity is fool proof or 100% safe. Fools are way too clever. The world IS a dangerous place and an enjoyable place, but not without risk. Nobody, no law, no mechanism, can protect you better than you and your brain. When they become disconnected…@#it happens.
The problem is that this is mASSachusetts and your elected officials don't deal with reality until it suits them and their purposes. Until then, they ignore the facts of life and go merrily on their way as it suits them to do otherwise.
This IS the political reality we live in today and until we stand united to change it...so it will be.
...we are our own worst enemy sometimes.
REVENUES
The fiscal situation has increased pressure on revenues, most recently manifest on Friday when the Mass. Turnpike Authority Board advanced a toll hike worth $90 million and $100 million, effective next spring. Some doubt Patrick’s broader plan, to consolidate transportation agencies and transfer billions in debt, as simply a way of shifting costs, with little real upside. Patrick has publicly criticized the idea of raising the state’s 21-cent-per-gallon gas tax, although it is unclear what impact the recent plummet in oil and gas prices will have on the dynamics of that idea, pushed by some lawmakers and Pike board members as a more equitable solution. Proponents of expanded gambling pounced on the state’s Nov. 4 vote to ban dog racing by calling for slot machines at the state’s four racetracks, two of which will likely be decimated by the removal of their live racing privileges, set to expire on Jan. 1, 2010. Casinos are also likely to re-emerge as a partial funding solution, and Mohegan Sun last month leased 152 acres in Palmer, near the Mass. Turnpike, as a potential casino site. The administration has also renewed its push to allow cities and towns to levy their own taxes on meals and lodging. Another potential stream of new revenues comes from the state’s expansion of health coverage, where employers have criticized requests for “fair share” contributions to the complicated balancing act. The governor could take another crack at upping gun license fees as well, after a failed attempt to do so in a July supplemental budget. The effort was thwarted after a loud outcry from gun rights advocates and supportive lawmakers, several of whom are licensed to pack pistols of their own. But with the recent outcry over the death of an 8-year-old boy who shot himself while handling an Uzi – Attorney General Martha Coakley has predicted changes in the gun laws as a result – a new opportunity to squeeze out new revenue may have presented itself.
As individuals and as clubs SAFETY FIRST as it affects us ALL.
Granted, no system or activity is fool proof or 100% safe. Fools are way too clever. The world IS a dangerous place and an enjoyable place, but not without risk. Nobody, no law, no mechanism, can protect you better than you and your brain. When they become disconnected…@#it happens.
The problem is that this is mASSachusetts and your elected officials don't deal with reality until it suits them and their purposes. Until then, they ignore the facts of life and go merrily on their way as it suits them to do otherwise.
This IS the political reality we live in today and until we stand united to change it...so it will be.
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No, this is a disgusting case of opportunism
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and this quote should be plastered everywhere the second they up the fees.![[puke2]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/031.gif "Puke2 [puke2]")
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+1 to that...
Only in MA... "Tragic Death of Child" = Revenue opportunity
As someone still waiting to receive an LTC... I'm going to have to restrain myself from smacking the next person that says anything resembling "fees need to be higher" or "guns are too easy to get" to me
Training class (for self and all members of household) + license fee (for self and all members of household) + safe methods of storage for said future firearms = $$$$
+ multiple forms of background check + finger prints + interview + waiting longer than statutorily specified...
I'd say there are already a few too many revenue opportunities embedded in the process myself...
BTW - What is the source of the "Revenue" quote above? Have a link?
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Smarten up is an understatement.
So, Mossy Oak, you figure they 're going to stop at Machine Guns on this?
Dream on. It's nothing less than the "camel's nose under the tent", and won't stop at machine guns.
Look for a crack down on ranges, instructional events, handguns in general (that micro UZI bears a vague resemblance to a pistol).
Oh yeah, you don't care, because you were "denied", right.
Sounds like you've got a wealth of misplaced anger, or are either an "Anti" or a Fudd. Not a whole lot of difference between the two, in my book, outside of the fact that the Fudd is more dangerous to our rights.
All this talk on "laws" because they're too damned Liberal and Stupid to charge the dumbass "coach" with "Reckless Endangerment". At least that's what would've happened up here in my area.
Same thing they charge careless hunters that shoot people with.
"First they came…" is a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.
Feel free to insert your particular shooting sport for last one standing and all the "other people's" second amendment rights / shooting sports / defense for one of the "other" groups before they get to you.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Feel free to insert your particular shooting sport for last one standing and all the "other people's" second amendment rights / shooting sports / defense for one of the "other" groups before they get to you.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
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I got a little out of line with some of my recent posts.
I attribute it to anger about my firearms license and prospects for an upgrade. I'm not disqualified from ownership. I just live in a really bad town.
I was disrespectful to some on here and I apologize.
I just got back from the hospital where my father was rushed in really bad shape. I'm just really sorry to everybody for being such a selfish prick. I don't expect anybody to feel bad for me. I just wanted to say sorry.
I'm not an anti.
Firearms really brought me and my father together this past year. And the fact we cannot both enjoy a handgun fills me with anger. I just hope I get to go plinking with him again. Don't write me off as an anti or a complete a**h***. I just don't think sometimes before I post. And I post things I regret in the morning.
I attribute it to anger about my firearms license and prospects for an upgrade. I'm not disqualified from ownership. I just live in a really bad town.
I was disrespectful to some on here and I apologize.
I just got back from the hospital where my father was rushed in really bad shape. I'm just really sorry to everybody for being such a selfish prick. I don't expect anybody to feel bad for me. I just wanted to say sorry.
I'm not an anti.
Firearms really brought me and my father together this past year. And the fact we cannot both enjoy a handgun fills me with anger. I just hope I get to go plinking with him again. Don't write me off as an anti or a complete a**h***. I just don't think sometimes before I post. And I post things I regret in the morning.
