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UPDATE to this: Red Flag Bill Submitted In New HampshirePublic Hearing: 03/05/2019 10:00amReps Hall

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by wahsben, Jan 13, 2019.

  1. Ringworm

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    This is nothing more that legalizing SWATTING. It's to keep the cops and lefties protected, not you. If you dare defend yourself, they have every right to murder you, and then get to claim "see? he was crazy!". And the DA will call the murder "justified".
     
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  2. Len-2A Training

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    In MA they would arrest you under C. 269 S. 10. In NH (this thread) it depends on what the law says if/when passed. And in both states they do NOT have a record of what you currently own legally!

    4473s are ONLY filled out when doing a transfer thru an FFL, not for private transfers. So no, they don't have 4473s for every gun a person owns in most cases.
     
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  3. Racenet

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    Sure, I have done them. For new gun purchases from a dealer. Not for private sales between myself and another NH resident, nor for firearms that were purchased prior to 1968. Many of the firearms I have here have never been 4473ed. So, what's your point? You are incorrect in your assumptions.
     
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    Len, he has been told this several times, yet, can't grasp/understand the concept.
     
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    I get all the private sales stuff etc.. .. However, IF the ATF wanted to they could look back and find out, who owns a/the gun. I know there are all laws that prevent them from doing so unless it's used in a crime. Importer/Manufacturer - Wholesaler - Retail Gun Dealer- Owner. Thats the path they will follow. They also have the old yellow forms on microfilm.
     
  7. FisherTech

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    I get all the private sales stuff etc.. .. However, IF the ATF wanted to they could look back and find out, who owns a/the gun. I know there are all laws that prevent them from doing so unless it's used in a crime. Importer/Manufacturer - Wholesaler - Retail Gun Dealer- Owner. Thats the path they will follow. They also have the old yellow forms on microfilm.

    There is no way they would be aware of what a person has as the data is not put together by name, but Importer/Manufacturer and serial number. The trail will stop at the first owner that buys the firearm from the FFL, as no one is required to keep a record of how they sell to in private sale. So the Government will not spend the time trying to look up all that a person might own. In fact in Mass. the files at FRB are so screwed up (and they know it), I doubt they will push too hard, as they don't want get called out for poor record keeping. Remember the Dept. of Public Safety in that state is having some real credibility issues right now.
     
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  8. soloman02

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    If it passes, I hope the first red flag order executed is on that shrill witch from Dover, Rep Frost. She has publicly stated she is homicidal towards men. Since she supports this bill she should have no issue with a SWAT team at her front door.
     
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    That is because the bill text is not yet available. It is still an LSR at the time of this post. Either legislative services/legislative IT became retards when the dems took over and can't get bill text to the public in a timely manner (pretty sure all bills had text publicly available by at this point in previous sessions) or it is purposely being withheld from the public for as long as possible to prevent us from rallying against it and mobilizing until it is too late.

    This link should update with the bill number when it is available.

    LSR# 2019-0007 - relative to extreme risk protection orders.
     
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  12. design

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    I spoke with the attorneys that draft the bills and she came in on the very last day to sign off the bill and asked for a complete rewrite....
     
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    What does this mean in terms of process?
     
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    I suspect that we will see a bill by the end of next week. The bill needs to be drafted, reviewed, sent to the speaker for a committee assignment, sent to the house clerk to be published.
     
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    People have died because of red flag laws. Who do we see about that??
     
  16. jpk

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    Shut up serf....you expect our betters to be responsible for their horribly written laws?

    Our insect over lords have not yet published the bill as of this morning.......
     
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    I don’t understand why one would care what it says when we have just seen in Vermont they will do whatever they want regardless of how the law is worded...
     
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  19. FisherTech

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    This bill creates a storage fee program that could and most likely ending up costing the accused party (Respondent) more money than he or she can afford to get the firearms back thus losing then to the storage facility. This has caused some severe hardships in Mass.
     
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    Trying to see what has changed from the existing protective order. But just to start off, III h, j, l,... seems like any one could get into trouble for doing no harm, like shooting a gun you just bought today, 299 feet away from a dwelling, would be unlawful.
     
  21. jpk

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    Holy horse shit......looks like it was written by soros/bloomberg and co
     
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    Taken from another thread here

    Thousands of dads are left in shock as DIY paternity tests soar

    20-30% of children are fathered by someone other than the man who's been told he was the father..........demonstrates a pattern of deceptive/dishonest behavior

    Taken in context along with known abuse of false dv charges which are regularly used as a tactic in divorce/custody proceedings and we have every reason to believe that red flag laws will be used in the same manner

    False Allegations of Domestic Violence: More Common Than You Think

    Costs the state
    Costs taxpayers
    Costs the accused massive $$ to defend against with no evidence and no crime actually having been committed.......dont get me started on due process
    Then there's the impact on reputation, employment etc.......

    Bad bill
     
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    Wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was!

    You can bet the farm that it will be abused more often than not.
     
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    History is more important than the headlines... after hundreds of years they've only been able to enact, what, two gun restricting laws here? three?
     
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    Dear Representatives and Senators,

    As sponsors of House Bill HB-687-FN “AN ACT relative to extreme risk protection orders” you should be aware of the published study by Dr John Lott, PhD, that finds “Red flag laws had no significant effect on murder, suicide, the number of people killed in mass public shootings, robbery, aggravated assault, or burglary. There is some evidence that rape rates rise.” This study of States that have already enacted Red Flag Laws demonstrates that such laws are ineffective and, in fact, counterproductive. Further, any such law lacking Due Process is offensive to a US Citizen’s civil rights. I strongly urge you to withdraw your sponsorship and resist jumping on the bandwagon supporting “feel good” laws that do not address criminal violence.

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    Do Red Flag Laws Save Lives or Reduce Crime? by John R. Lott, Carlisle E. Moody :: SSRN
     
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    Sponsor public contact info from gencourt

    Representative Debra Altschiller (d)
    Rockingham- District 19
    Seat #:3041

    Home Address:
    15 Apple Way
    Stratham, NH 03885-2502
    Phone: (603)686-1234
    Email: [email protected]



    Representative Donovan Fenton (d)
    Cheshire- District 08
    Seat #:1035

    Home Address:
    6 Kendall Road
    Keene, NH 03431-5212
    Phone: (603)313-7991
    Email: [email protected]


    Representative Jerry Knirk (d) Carroll- District 03
    Seat #:3034
    Home Address:
    30 Clancy Road
    Freedom, NH 03836-4406
    Phone: (617)448-7557
    Email: [email protected]


    Representative Robert Backus (d) Hillsborough- District 19
    Seat #:2041

    Home Address:
    1318 Goffstown Road
    Manchester, NH 03102-2326
    Phone: (603)232-0525
    Email: [email protected]


    Representative Manny Espitia (d) Hillsborough- District 31
    Seat #:3069

    Home Address:
    137 Chestnut Street F12
    Nashua, NH 03060-6426
    Phone: (714)742-9527
    Email: [email protected]


    Representative Mary Jane Mulligan (d) Grafton- District 12
    Seat #:2033

    Home Address:
    156 1/2 Lyme Road
    Hanover, NH 03755-6605
    Phone: (603)643-6167
    Email: [email protected]


    District 04 - Senator David Watters
    [email protected]
    State House
    Room 302
    107 North Main Street Concord NH 03301
    603.271.3042


    District 24 - Senator Tom Sherman
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    State House
    Room 107
    107 North Main Street Concord NH 03301
    603.271.8631
    Staff: Doug Marino

    District 05 - Senator Martha Hennessey
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    State House
    Room 302
    107 North Main Street Concord NH 03301
    603.271.3042


    District 09 - Senator Jeanne Dietsch
    [email protected]
    State House
    Room 105-A
    107 North Main Street Concord NH 03301
    603.271.4151


    District 10 - Senator Jay Kah
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    Room 115
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    Talk about carpet bagger blow ins.....

    Representative Jerry Knirk (d) Carroll- District 03
    Seat #:3034
    Home Address:
    30 Clancy Road
    Freedom, NH 03836-4406
    Phone: (617)448-7557
    Email: [email protected]

    Knirk cant even be bothered to change his phone number from the boston area......

    Worse yet is the blow in from commifornia......

    Representative Manny Espitia (d) Hillsborough- District 31
    Seat #:3069

    Home Address:
    137 Chestnut Street F12
    Nashua, NH 03060-6426
    Phone: (714)742-9527
    Email: [email protected]
     
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    I emailed all those jokers. Thanks for posting it. A couple popped back as undeliverable. I'll have to look and see why when the morning dust settles...
     
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    Call them too......several times a week......but be polite but firm
     

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