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UPDATE: Police RAID house of gun-toting St. Louis lawyer couple and confiscate the AR-15
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dcmdon
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Not at all. He doesn't have any kids and grabs anything he can get. I spoke to him this morning and he was just getting in from working overnight after his normal shift. In the summer when guys with families go on vacation he backfills. A lot.
Back in 1991, I lived with a friend who was a rookie New Haven cop. He was a freaking animal. He made over 100k his first year back in 1991. He was never home. If I had to guess I'd say he worked 80+ hrs per week. Then he got engaged to a high maintenance woman and his income crashed. Ha.
dcmdon
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I've not seen anything to support the idea that the entire mob/group was advancing on them. I'm not talking about walking in the direction of the road a couple feet on the lawn. I'm talking about the group moving towards the home and homeowners.
You are playing clever word games with "private property" since it was a private road.
Cry me a fvcking river.......they're making more as a rookie than most cops around the country.
Mass only calls for recruits when its time to dole out the patronage jobs.
And yes I lived in MA for 55 years.....I'm familiar with the scene.
dcmdon
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This is also a textbook example of how NOT to defend your property. Have your new gun owner friends watch this.
1) wife sweeps crowd
2) wife keeps finger on trigger.
3) husband has gun horizontal sweeping neighbors houses
4) husband sweeps wife
5) couple argues with mob - shut up and keep to yourself.
6) remain calm - be better than the people you are confronting.
Which of these mobs DIDNT have people armed with everything from bats to boards to bricks?
Second of all the videos were all taken BY THE MOB......the two homeowners had their hands full
Third, both of the lawyers have made statements that the mob was armed
Every single last one of the individuals in the mob is a criminal for breaking and entering, trespassing and a great many of them based on comments make it clear they intended to do further damage to private property and the homeowners
the only thing that prevented escalation that day were two armed homeowners.....
dcmdon
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I've always bought into it. It can be done in a way that enhances public safety.
1) no tactical toys
2) no swat
3) flagmen rather than details
4) no pay for unused sick or vacation time - this is why you see cops make $400k when you look at state reports. These are retiring cops getting paid for unused vacation and/or sick time. Though most new contracts limit this already.
5) no bearcats
Private road IS private property
The gate was closed and locked....and the mob destroyed it
The mob advanced on them and their home until confronted....and then a number of them advanced onto their lawn
The mob showed intent, ability and a number of other factors that would lead any sane person to believe they were in danger and had every reason to fear for their lives from this mob
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The problem is that absent the pay, there is no benefit for a public sector worker not to take every sick day - they are regarded as extra vacation, not time to use if you are actually sick.
In the private sector, one would get an undesired reputation if you kept taking sick time and using it for vacations, home repair, etc. Your chances for advancement, avoiding layoffs, getting critical assignments, etc. would be diminished. As such, there is a "cost" to taking sick time or the private sector worker, and a value system of "sick time is fo when you are sick" evolves.
There is no cost to taking sick time for a public sector worker as they are protected by union/seniority rules, and their career is not enhanced by not using all of it absent a payout at the end. Oh, and that payout is at the higher rate they are earning at retirement time - perhaps days at a captain's salary for those sick days they banked as a first year officer or teacher. It's like if a firefighter in Boston gets disabled moving a file cabinet while filling in for a higher ranking officer, (s)he gets disability/retirement at the pay rate of the person whose job (s)he is doing. Working above your normal pay grade has proven very dangerous in the Boston FD, with the proportion of disabling injuries suffered on such days out of proportion to the percentage of days worked above pay grade.
And let's not forget the Lexington clause for teachers.
I am in the private sector and was recently told I have up to 3 weeks additional "Covid sick time", but it was made very clear that this is to be used only iI am actually sick; I have not been granted three weeks extra vacation. I have not seen a single person abuse it. Think that would happen in the public sector absent banking of the value of the time?
It's not because private/public people have different levels of integrity, but because they are programmed in vastly different work enviornments.
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If you looked at a map you would see its not all that interesting at all.......
this couples home is the very first one inside of the gate that the "Protesters" destroyed to gain entry.....and every indication is that they left through the destroyed gate they came in through
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The reasonableness of the decision is based on the information available to the decider at the time, not an ex post facto analysis.
It is curious. Almost like their plans got spoiled after being met by a couple of trigger touching homeowners.
oldguy68
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They also have the means to fight a very smart, intelligent, fact based and rational day in court.
Now ask yourself, if they were carrying concealed outside their home would they have been as effective in protecting it?
Would the low ready position really have caused the DA to reconsider charges?
I personally think the moment their firearms were in open plain sight, that they would have been charged just the same.
Too much hate by our elected officials of people protecting themselves, to let that one slide!
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oldguy68
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There is no such thing as a free state if you have to pay for, apply or ask for permission for any right!
These states don't require a permit:
These states don't require a permit:
- Alaska
- Arizona
- Arkansas
- Idaho
- Kansas
- Kentucky
- Maine
- Mississippi
- Missouri
- New Hampshire
- North Dakota (residents only; concealed carry only)
- Oklahoma
- South Dakota
- Vermont
- West Virginia
- Wyoming (residents only)
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Please update your data source. Kentucky has had constitutional carry, concealed or open carry for over a year now. It has always been an open carry state and a shall issue concealed state. Now, neither apply....people carry at will, open or concealed.
oldguy68
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Just did, thanks.
Open carry legal here:
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Northern Mariana Islands, Ohio, South Dakota, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming
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Please explain.
I was referring to things like when an officer shooters someone with a toy gun, using the info (s)he had at the time - the gun looked real.
The concept is taken further in some states in that info about an aggression not known to the defender at the time of the defensive act cannot be used or even mentioned in the defense. That change in MA with Commonwealth v. Adjutant.
That will turn out to be totally irrelevant in this context. Politicians never stay bought when their comfy, well paid, pensioned jobs are on the line. Donations only buy so many votes and the masses outweigh that by 100:1
Yay. /s
