UK: guy points gun at police, stays alive. Would he still be alive in the US?

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United Kingdom. A 16 yo points a real gun straight at police, stays alive, will face the judge next month.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2870530/Terrifying-moment-teenage-gunman-takes-aim-police-officers-firearms-incident-Scottish-island.html

What do you think guys, how many holes he'd have in his body in the US?

The first thing that came to my mind in sad comparison:
A 12 yo boy plays with a toy gun in a park, gets gunned down by police within 2 seconds of their arrival
 
I was using facts against an anti on FB earlier today. This is as good a spot as any to post this. Violent crime states for the UK, and the US. The UK data is very hard to work with. In 1997 they switched to fiscal year (which screws things up). They also break things down more and make things separate. The long and short is that the UK has 4 times the violent crime of the US and one fifth the murder rate.

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Source: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime...ocus-on-violent-crime/rft-appendix-tables.xls

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Murder rate and Rape Rate cause the rate is lower and thus had to be graphed separately in order to see the trends.

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Source: http://www.ucrdatatool.gov/Search/Crime/State/StatebyState.cfm
 
I was using facts against an anti on FB earlier today. This is as good a spot as any to post this. Violent crime states for the UK, and the US. The UK data is very hard to work with. In 1997 they switched to fiscal year (which screws things up). They also break things down more and make things separate. The long and short is that the UK has 4 times the violent crime of the US and one fifth the murder rate.

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Source: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime...ocus-on-violent-crime/rft-appendix-tables.xls

1QxDVzf.png


Murder rate and Rape Rate cause the rate is lower and thus had to be graphed separately in order to see the trends.

fg3kS2U.png


Source: http://www.ucrdatatool.gov/Search/Crime/State/StatebyState.cfm

Compelling stuff!!!
 
I was using facts against an anti on FB earlier today. This is as good a spot as any to post this. Violent crime states for the UK, and the US. The UK data is very hard to work with. In 1997 they switched to fiscal year (which screws things up). They also break things down more and make things separate. The long and short is that the UK has 4 times the violent crime of the US and one fifth the murder rate.

2rQEgn2.png



Source: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime...ocus-on-violent-crime/rft-appendix-tables.xls

1QxDVzf.png


Murder rate and Rape Rate cause the rate is lower and thus had to be graphed separately in order to see the trends.

fg3kS2U.png


Source: http://www.ucrdatatool.gov/Search/Crime/State/StatebyState.cfm

I can't find the post. Someone help me if you can. Apparently UK does not list their homicides unless there is a conviction. Therefore unsolved murders do not count which I'm sure there are lots of those. On the flip side it also screws up their reporting when they catch mass murderers years after the event. In any case it is a highly inaccurate way of reporting crime.
 
Is 1998 the year when brits outlawed most guns? That'd explain the sudden growth in violent crime.
However, UK violent crime's been coming down since 2006. See, the gun ban finally begins to work! Or is there another reason for the downward trend?
 
I can't find the post. Someone help me if you can. Apparently UK does not list their homicides unless there is a conviction. Therefore unsolved murders do not count which I'm sure there are lots of those. On the flip side it also screws up their reporting when they catch mass murderers years after the event. In any case it is a highly inaccurate way of reporting crime.

I've read that as well.
 
I can't find the post. Someone help me if you can. Apparently UK does not list their homicides unless there is a conviction. Therefore unsolved murders do not count which I'm sure there are lots of those. On the flip side it also screws up their reporting when they catch mass murderers years after the event. In any case it is a highly inaccurate way of reporting crime.
Never heard that, very interesting indeed.
 
Is 1998 the year when brits outlawed most guns? That'd explain the sudden growth in violent crime.
However, UK violent crime's been coming down since 2006. See, the gun ban finally begins to work! Or is there another reason for the downward trend?

What year did the U.K. first start implementing "no-go" zones? Particularly in Muslim areas, the police either don't get called or don't respond to calls for murders, rapes or other crimes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ority-communities-launch-justice-systems.html
 
Regular cops in England don't carry guns. Only if there is a specific terror threat or something similar will you see them with guns, and in that case it will be a rifle or SMG. Even if this kid had opened fire it would have been hard for them to stop him, short of ramming him with a car.
 
I can't find the post. Someone help me if you can. Apparently UK does not list their homicides unless there is a conviction. Therefore unsolved murders do not count which I'm sure there are lots of those. On the flip side it also screws up their reporting when they catch mass murderers years after the event. In any case it is a highly inaccurate way of reporting crime.

I've read that as well.

Never heard that, very interesting indeed.

It seems like they report it in their giant excel spreadsheet linked here: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime...ocus-on-violent-crime/rft-appendix-tables.xls

Here is the note page on said spreadsheet:

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UK numbers are skewed for sure!!!

If they are skewed then the UK government is skewing them as that is where I took them from.
 
UK numbers are skewed for sure!!!

This might be why they are skewed:

"4. The number of crimes recorded in that financial year using the expanded offence coverage and revised Counting Rules which came into effect on 1 April 1998."

Basically, the U.K. was under-reporting violent crime before 1998.
 
Back to the OP, no he probably wouldn't be alive if that was in the US. However, as the article states, he was nearly shot by the UK police after they flew in men with guns.
 
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