U.S. Border Patrol arrests 25 illegals at I-93 roadblock

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...Unless a dog sniffs your State legal pot at which point the Feds can jam you up.

They should have no right to stop, detain, search and possibly arrest you where no probable cause that you had committed a crime worthy of a stop and search existed before the stop. This is police state mentality and one more step in the wrong direction.
 
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They don't though.
They do though.....its just that unelected bureaucrats (justices) have manufactured rights out of privileges

Illegals have no legal basis to be on US ground.....period.....buh bye.....unless you've committed crimes against americans or those legally here....in which case you have a right to representation in a court of law......and if convicted you will get three squares, pay for your crimes and be duly punted back across the border when released
 

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Illegals have no legal basis to be on US ground unless you've committed crimes against americans or those legally here....in which case you have a right to representation in a court of law
Read that twice.
 

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Read that twice.
No need to......illegals have no right to be here period......if you've committed crimes in the process of being here illegally the state has the power and authority to detain, charge and prosecute your sorry illegal arse......in the process of being TRIED for your crimes you have a right to legal representation....I would actually argue that the so called "right" to representation (modern sense vs represent self) isnt a right at all.....its a privilege guaranteed by law.....not a natural right
 
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So these Central/South American illegals somehow made it all the way to Canadana, then snuck into the US of A via the swiss-cheese US/Canada border.

Suuuuuurrreeee!!!!!


Does no one see a problem with this on this thread???? Federal agents stopped traffic in freaking NEW HAMPSHIRE, did an ID check, didn't get anyone who wanted to know if they were "being detained" and "found" 25 illegals.

I vote we just force everyone to have to show an ID to cross every red light. Within a month, we'll have rounded up all the illegals. Another month, we'll have most of the criminals wanted on warrants. A month after that, all the dissidents who don't agree with the policy. Another month, no one will be able to drive a car anymore. It's a brilliant strategy!
A lot of the Indians coming in through Canada too, red dot not feather.
 

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Dealers or just users? Marijuana, mushrooms, hash oil, and "small amounts" of coke. Great work there. Nothing about opioids, the sort of drugs actually killing people at too high a rate in NH.
I'm torn. I don't like the idea of checkpoints and the whole "Papers Please" thing. But I wouldn't be sad if they set one of these up on the Rt. 31 heroin highway and ruined a few drug dealers day.
 

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I'm torn. I don't like the idea of checkpoints and the whole "Papers Please" thing. But I wouldn't be sad if they set one of these up on the Rt. 31 heroin highway and ruined a few drug dealers day.
How well did prohibition work?

Just sayin.....

I think we would do better in the long run with a good dose of natural selection
 

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No need to......illegals have no right to be here period......if you've committed crimes in the process of being here illegally the state has the power and authority to detain, charge and prosecute your sorry illegal arse......in the process of being TRIED for your crimes you have a right to legal representation....I would actually argue that the so called "right" to representation (modern sense vs represent self) isnt a right at all.....its a privilege guaranteed by law.....not a natural right
It seems contradictory to bring up natural rights in this argument right after the claim that a peaceful person shouldn't be able to travel freely without fear of unreasonable searches.
 
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It seems contradictory to bring up natural rights in this argument right after the claim that a peaceful person shouldn't be able to travel freely without fear of unreasonable searches.
Yep. It's contradictory in more than just that sense too.

Like how he says they have no rights only to then say they do have a certain right. But really, who can be bothered with such minutiae.
 

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Yep. It's contradictory in more than just that sense too.

Like how he says they have no rights only to then say they do have a certain right. But really, who can be bothered with such minutiae.
Liberals like to choose which rights you have and which ones you don't have based on the situation.

Also, whatever they say does not apply to them, only to everyone else.
 

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How do you prove you are not illegal at one of these stops? ... My wife is Japanese green card holder, again she doesn't drive around with her green card.

Not worried, just wondering, because anyone could say they are a US Citizen?
Do you feel lucky?


I could show them my EDC as ONLY law abiding Citizen can have them... correct
That's not correct where you live, or any other place in the first district.
 

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It seems contradictory to bring up natural rights in this argument right after the claim that a peaceful person shouldn't be able to travel freely without fear of unreasonable searches.
The issue of controlling our border is about citizenship and sovereinty and has nothing to do with natural rights.

Nations that fail to control their borders are not soverign nations.....look at the EU and that shitstorm as a perfect example of failed sovereignty
 
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Let's roll out the carpet for them here in Massachusetts. Free education, free healthcare, free social security benefits, the list goes on. My 96 year old relative couldn't get Mass Health because she was not deemed to be a frail elder.

It just gets worse every day here...
Let them keep going north. Escort to the border and Canada can have them
 

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The issue of controlling our border is about citizenship and sovereinty and has nothing to do with natural rights.

Nations that fail to control their borders are not soverign nations.....look at the EU and that shitstorm as a perfect example of failed sovereignty
You're talking about a situation where they were "controlling our border" in the middle of NH. They arrested nearly twice as many US citizens as they did illegals. The citizens had nothing to do with the border, and of the 25 illegals they nabbed 14 were on overstayed visas and had nothing at all to do with the border. That leaves 11 illegals who may or may not have recently crossed the border (which is of course manned by BP agents anyway), though it's more likely that they came over the Mexican border given their countries of origin (Colombia, Brazil, Ecuador and Mexico). So maybe it was zero who had crossed over the CA border.

So tell me again how this roadblock was a border thing, and how it's appropriate to have BP agents stopping everyone in the middle of NH for questioning. How many people did they harass and delay over the course of 3 days for this?
 
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You're talking about a situation where they were "controlling our border" in the middle of NH. They arrested nearly twice as many US citizens as they did illegals. The citizens had nothing to do with the border, and of the 25 illegals they nabbed 14 were on overstayed visas and had nothing at all to do with the border. That leaves 11 illegals who may or may not have recently crossed the border (which is of course manned by BP agents anyway), though it's more likely that they came over the Mexican border given their countries of origin (Colombia, Brazil, Ecuador and Mexico). So maybe it was zero who had crossed over the CA border.

So tell me again how this roadblock was a border thing, and how it's appropriate to have BP agents stopping everyone in the middle of NH for questioning. How many people did they harass and delay over the course of 3 days for this?
YOU are talking about internal check points

I am talking about the actual border....

As I have stated repeatedly the internal blanket checks of all individuals is not constitutional.

From a legal perspective if you have a lawful encounter with fed/state/local authorities there's absolutely no reason why they cannot or should not validate your legal status in the country if there is a reason to suspect you are here illegally.....this is fundamentally different than the internal checkpoints which are ICE equivalent off stop and frisk in many regards
 

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YOU are talking about internal check points

From a legal perspective if you have a lawful encounter with fed/state/local authorities there's absolutely no reason why they cannot or should not validate your legal status in the country if there is a reason to suspect you are here illegally.....this is fundamentally different than the internal checkpoints which are ICE equivalent off stop and frisk in many regards
Respectfully, If we had LEO doing this in the first place we would be better off. I agree 100%. However in the real world our LEO's are being ordered not to do a damn thing to the illegals so we're caught in a catch 22. BP agents must enforce federal law.
 

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YOU are talking about internal check points

I am talking about the actual border....

As I have stated repeatedly the internal blanket checks of all individuals is not constitutional.

From a legal perspective if you have a lawful encounter with fed/state/local authorities there's absolutely no reason why they cannot or should not validate your legal status in the country if there is a reason to suspect you are here illegally.....this is fundamentally different than the internal checkpoints which are ICE equivalent off stop and frisk in many regards
OK, sorry then. We're probably on the same page.
 

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Respectfully, If we had LEO doing this in the first place we would be better off. I agree 100%. However in the real world our LEO's are being ordered not to do a damn thing to the illegals so we're caught in a catch 22. BP agents must enforce federal law.
The problem is once again with the political scum....errr elected officials.....
 

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You're talking about a situation where they were "controlling our border" in the middle of NH. They arrested nearly twice as many US citizens as they did illegals. The citizens had nothing to do with the border, and of the 25 illegals they nabbed 14 were on overstayed visas and had nothing at all to do with the border. That leaves 11 illegals who may or may not have recently crossed the border (which is of course manned by BP agents anyway), though it's more likely that they came over the Mexican border given their countries of origin (Colombia, Brazil, Ecuador and Mexico). So maybe it was zero who had crossed over the CA border.

So tell me again how this roadblock was a border thing, and how it's appropriate to have BP agents stopping everyone in the middle of NH for questioning. How many people did they harass and delay over the course of 3 days for this?
So this report is a little vague but seems to suggest the traffic volume on that stretch of highway is in the neighborhood of 8,000 vehicles per day. I suppose that is total, so call it 4,000 per day, southbound.

So, 12,000 carloads of people were violated to catch 25 illegals and 46 stoners. If that's an average of 1.5 people per car, call it 18k, so we violated about 253 people per offender. If we only count the illegals they said they were after, it's 720 citizens violated per catch.

Well done!
 

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