U.N. Global Gun Ban

I voted. It's up to 35552. Percentages are holding though!

We should all post this on the other firearms and hunting related forums we belong to. We should all send it to the NRA! Maybe we can overwhelm the turds at CNN.
 
JuergenG said:
Total votes now 38,268 at the same (silly) ratio
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With the total amount of votes it's going to take a nother 20K votes for one side to move the percentages with any significance.
 
I just voted yes.

Yes 42% 15889 votes

No 58% 22379 votes
Total: 38268 votes

Keep in mind - it's the Commie News Network - there's more of them reading it than us. I never go there unless someone tells me there's a gun related poll.
 
Forgive me if this has already been covered, but did anyone else receive, and send in, the cards sent out by the NRA as to the gun-ban conference scheduled for July 4?
 
CNN is also running an article today which disputes that the UN is convening on the 4th to ban guns in the US. Apparently -- they're just convening to watch fireworks, so I guess we have nothing to worry about.[rolleyes]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/21/un.us.small.arms.ap/index.html

NRA unloads on U.N.
Head of panel fighting illegal arms bombarded with form letters

UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- The chairman of an upcoming U.N. conference on the illegal trade of small arms has received more than 100,000 letters of complaint from Americans who say it could impinge on their constitutional right to bear arms, he said Wednesday.

Many of the letters contained a form message available on the National Rifle Association Web site that complains the June 26-July 7 conference will take place on the July 4 Independence Day holiday, U.N. officials said. The message argues that the conference is meant to limit Americans' right to carry weapons.

"And the American people will never let you take away the rights that our 4th of July holiday represents," says the form letter addressed to Prasad Kariyawasam, the conference chairman and U.N. ambassador from Sri Lanka. "Our freedoms are not to blame for the world's problems, and this is a battle you can never win."

In a news conference on Wednesday, Kariyawasam said he had received more than 100,000 of the letters. He noted that the conference would not meet on July 4 because the U.N. headquarters is closed for the holiday.

The conference is reviewing progress on implementing a program of action agreed to by all U.N. member states, including the United States, in 2001 that seeks to clamp down on the illegal trade of small arms such as pistols, assault rifles and machine guns.

It stems from findings that conflicts worldwide are often made more deadly and intractable by the availability of illicit small arms.

Kariyawasam said the conference will focus only on efforts to ban the illegal sale of weapons and would have no impact on private ownership.

"Contrary to what people say, especially in this country, this conference and program of action is not aiming to ban individual use of firearms if they are held legally," he said. "The U.N. program of action covers only illegal trade, illegal trafficking and illegal brokering."

Wayne LaPierre, the executive vice president of the NRA, said in a message on the NRA Web site that the conference seeks "a global treaty banning ownership of firearms."

The United States, including U.S. Ambassador John Bolton, will participate in this year's conference. A fact sheet on the U.S. State Department Web site says the United States supports efforts to stem the illegal flow of small arms.

U.S. mission spokesman Richard Grenell said his office has also gotten many letters from NRA members, just as it does from other non-governmental organizations before other major U.N. conferences. The NRA Web site also includes a form letter to Bolton.

"We have received thousands and thousands of letters from concerned members," Grenell said. "We have been in discussion with the group and understand their concerns."
 
I added posts to thehighroad, glocktalk, warriortalk, and sent a message to shootingusa, shootingwire, and the NRA.

Had to send to the NRA through their contact us form. If anyone has a better way to get a message to them (personal contact, etc.) do it.

Also, if you belong to other forums, get the message out!

Thanks to Derek for the alert.
 
Numbers moved by 1 with almost twice the votes...

Yes 43% 30050 votes

No 57% 39162 votes
Total: 69212 votes
 
Of course now, IANSA et al is deploying a smokescreen on this
issue. They're trying to say that this is about INTERNATIONAL
arms smuggling, etc, blah blah blah, but we all know thats just a
facade... yeah theyll adress that, but theyll try to take a stab at US,
too. (I think they will try to say that the US should not import
or export guns to other countries for civilian consumption, maybe? but
that, too, has a fat chance in hell of being reality.... although if someone
like hillary was in charge, I could see almost a 100% civilian gun
import ban being reality).

I find the whole notional of even international arms control to be
funny as hell. As long as there are sovereign nations that don't
care, it is trivial for anyone with enough business connections to
just circumvent any "controls."

The other issue is that there are people like the US and Russia who use
international arms smugglers for proxy wars on a regular basis... so "sacking" guys like Victor Bout isn't going to happen... they're far too
valuable from a CIA/KGB standpoint to dispose of. (Although the US
did kick out Sarkis Songhnalian, despite the fact that his intel supplied
to the feds lead to the downfall of the Fujimori government in Peru).

The irony with the above is as much as the UN hates Victor Bout, they've
been caught sending money to his airline(s), using his services to
transport supplies and people into the very same international crapholes
some of his gun shipments have gone to!


I honestly don't think that the UN has any power whatsoever to influence
our affairs directly, at least not this round... I think Bolton would just throw
a cup of urine in their eyes. I'm relatively sure that the Bush administration knows damn well that capitulating to the UN about small arms (at least domestically) would provide a pretty bulk level of kindling wood for some sort of american "insurgency." It's not a "good thing" when as a government, you just proved the "black helicopter people" right in their conspiracy theory assertions. The goverment here would rather use incrementalism to control guns than see their entire gun control program collapse due to a flurry of new wacos/ruby ridges in the wake of the UN forced civilian
disarmement program. The backlash from even a few of those
failures is that congress would be forced to pretty much gut the ATF, etc... and the feds don't want more wacos and ruby ridges if they can possibly
avoid it.

-Mike
 
The UN mouthpieces are actually telling the truth, just not the whole truth. They're only concerned with controlling the illegal sales and use of firearms. What they fail to mention is the UN, insistence that in order to accomplish this, member states should require (as a minimum) licensing and registration of all handguns, rifles, shotguns and other "small arms", with licenses available only to those with "proper" reasons for ownership. They also support secure storage requirements similar to those implemented in England (i.e., buy your own bank vault and security system, or leave them with the friendly police when they're not actually in use).

You also need to understand their definition of "terrorists" when they start talking about efforts to prevent terrorist violence. By their rules, every Jew in the Warsaw ghetto who picked up a gun rather than quietly starve to death or climb into a cattle car was a terrorist. Somebody help me our here; I'm sure that there's at least one thing good that the UN is supposed to have done over the past 60 years in order to justify so many people fawning all over their every pronouncement. I just can't manage to figure out what it might be.

Ken
 
Adam_MA said:
That's cool...

But you're still a Wuss, if you don't send pictures! [smile]
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How about I send 'em a picture of me with it afterwards, sitting on the throne, using it for a more useful purpose than all that it represents? I've already used it in lieu of Kleenex a couple times. And, it came in handy as a towel Wednesday after a hard mountain bike ride in the heat. I think I also need to wax my truck this weekend.
 
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