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AAARGH...... Foxnews picks a photo of some nitwit who thinks half-cocked is an acceptable wary to carry a 1911: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/0...t-nothing-despite-doomsayers-predictions.html
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From the article "75 percent of police chiefs oppose the new law".
Who the Fxck cares what a public servant thinks. They are paid by taxpayers to serve the public interest, if the interest is open carry then they should shut up and deal with it. If they don't like it. Then they should find a new safe job selling pillows at bed bath and beyond.
Who the Fxck cares what a public servant thinks. They are paid by taxpayers to serve the public interest, if the interest is open carry then they should shut up and deal with it. If they don't like it. Then they should find a new safe job selling pillows at bed bath and beyond.
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Well, for those who would paint Texas as gun owners Nirvana it might be significant assuming that the quote and stat are accurate. The fact the there is so much opposition by the COPs of the Lone Star State is a potential indicator that perhaps things aren't exactly as rosy as they seem or wish to be portrayed by those who see Texas as the place to be if you own a gun. Let's not forget that Texas enacted some of the very first gun control laws way back in the 1870's and concealed carry only became a reality a few years ago. The fact that there is prejudice towards open carry by LE in Texas might give one reason to stop and pause and reflect about how just how free, free states are. Each state has their own peculiarities.
Would you as an out of towner risk walking down Main Street in a small Central Texas or West Texas town in some obscure Texas County (which is a big deal there) a New England transplant with your Yankee accent and brisk mannerisms, open carrying with your brand new Texas CCW permit? I'd think twice about it. Lots of things they can get you for that aren't even related to firearms. Think I'm exaggerating or seen too many movies ? I've lived in Texas and Georgia, it's a whole other country down there once you leave the major citifies and you could find yourself in a whole heap of trouble...boy.
He carries a left hand Serpa at 5:30. He will have to use his thumb to press the lever. Looks like this is one hell of a fast draw. Not.The serpa just adds a dollop of frosting to the turd cake that is that picture. The only thing worse would be is if it was a Para or Taurus 1911.
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not just Texas or Georgia. I discovered this first hand in VA. And it wasn't even 2a related. I just got pulled over for driving while Yankee.
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[h=3]Texas[/h]
The first Texas law against concealed and open carry was "An Act to Regulate the Keeping and Bearing of Deadly Weapons, Law of April 12, 1871, ch. 34, §1, 1871 Tex. Gen. Laws 25" passed as part of the Reconstruction. That law was not substantially modified until 1995.In many ways the Texas process was typical. The push started with proposed laws in 1983, 1985, 1987 and 1989 (the Texas Legislature meeting only on odd numbered years). The 1991 attempt came closer to passing, but failed to gain enough support in the Legislature, and was amended to death.
[h=4]73[SUP]rd[/SUP] Legislature, 1993[/h]In 1993 CHL returned again, and this time the big state media let loose with the typical "blood in the streets" predictions, both in quotes of anti-gunners and echoed on the opinion pages. They called for the people to contact their legislators.
The People did. I really think the popular support for the law caught the media by surprise. Then the Governor, Ann Richards, weighed in with the news that she would veto any CHL law the legislature passed. Politically, that should have been the end, but popular support would not let the bill die. Trying to find something the governor would sign, the 73[SUP]rd[/SUP] Legislature ended up passing a law that only called for a statewide referendum on CHL, not authorizing anyone to actually set up any program. Governor Richards vetoed it anyway, saying that the people of Texas didn't need to vote on something like concealed carry.
[h=4]74[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 1995[/h]Two years later the 74[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature passed SB 60, and the new Governor George W. Bush fulfilled a campaign promise to sign the first Texas concealed carry bill.
Throughout the long struggle to get a concealed handgun law passed for Texas there were a number of people who risked their political lives to accomplish what many thought might be an impossible task. Two stand out.
One is Texas Senator Jerry Patterson, who sponsored and shepherded a number of the bills, including the successful 1995 effort and the equally important 1997 revision. He happens to be a classmate of mine from Texas A&M University, Class of 1969.
The other is Suzanna Gratia, who rose from the tragedy in Killeen to provide essential testimony at a critical time. As Suzanna Gratia-Hupp she become a Representative in the Texas Legislature and served several terms, always speaking up for gun owners.
The law went into effect September 1, giving the Texas Department of Public Safety about three months to write all the procedures, design the paperwork, and train enough Qualified Instructors to teach the required course DPS wrote. They did it.
About 2,000 newly-minted Qualified Handgun Instructors began teaching the ten to fifteen hour CHL new-license class September 1, facing an initial flood of about 200,000 applicants. The new concealed handgun licensees started legally carrying January 1, 1996. It was somewhat anticlimactic, as the predicted bloodbath failed to materialize.
There was an initial surge in "No Handguns" signs on businesses that had been convinced the knuckle-dragging CHLs would invade in their camo clothing, tromping through stores in muddy boots spitting tobacco everywhere and running decent customers away. Instead, it was the decent customers who politely informed store owners that unless the signs came down their business would go elsewhere. Six months later "No Handguns" signs were an endangered species.
[h=4]75[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 1997[/h]A loophole creating a conflict between concealed carry rules and alcoholic beverage license regulations made a revision of the law necessary. That was accomplished in 1997, and went into effect 1 September of that year. More significantly, that same bill also effectively removed hospitals and nursing homes, amusement parks, places of worship, and government meetings from the list of places where concealed carry is automatically prohibited. Another law established the "30.06" sign as the only one property owners could officially use to ban concealed carry.
[h=4]76[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 1999[/h]The anti-gun folks came back in the 76[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature with bills to prohibit firearms anywhere on a school's property, and to reinstate the prohibition on carrying in a place of worship. Both were handily defeated. A number of pro-gun bills also failed to pass, and would be revisited in subsequent sessions. These include an effort to clarify the definition of "travelling," carrying in a car, lowering fees for veterans, securing the privacy of licensees, concealed carry on college and university campuses, and allowing military personnel to qualify for a CHL at 18.
[h=4]77[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 2001[/h]In 2001 the 77[SUP]th[/SUP] legislature added one restriction, prohibiting possession of any firearm within 1,000 feet of a place of execution on the day of an execution. A bill to deny concealed carry in a place of worship but with a provision that the church or synagogue could allow carrying failed, as did a bill prohibiting carrying in school parking lots and streets. On the pro-gun side, bills reducing veteran's fees and securing licensees privacy failed, as did a flawed bill extending the license period from four to five years and a bill that would have kept cities and counties from using PC 30.06 to ban concealed carry in government facilities.
[h=4]78[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 2003[/h]The 78[SUP]th[/SUP] legislature passed the ban on government agencies using PC 30.06, establishing the right to carry on public facilities. It also loosened rules on out-of-state Texas CHLs and the requirements for reciprocity. As a result, within two years the number of reciprocal states jumped from eight to twenty-seven. Bills to insure licensee privacy, allow concealed carry on Lower Colorado River Authority property, and expand firearms possession on school campuses failed, but so did a proposal that would have extended CHL training and required a psychological evaluation for licensing.
[h=4]79[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 2005[/h]A number of pro-CHL bills passed the 79[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature. They extended renewal licenses from four years to five, eased the requirements for states whose licenses we recognize, allowed military personnel to get a CHL at 18, cut the new license fee for active military and the renewal fee for seniors in half, allowed persons from any state to qualify for a Texas out-of-state CHL, allowed payment of CHL fees by personal check, and eased eligibility requirements for a person with an old deferred adjudication.
The most significant legislation attempted to change the definition of "travelling" to allow unlicensed carry in a personal vehicle. However, this law proved to be controversial, with several district attorneys claiming that it failed to actually accomplish its aim.
Bills insuring licensee privacy and allowing concealed carry on LCRA property failed to pass, as did a bill prohibiting concealed carry in school parking lots and an "assault weapons" ban. Also failing was the first attempt at restricting employer gun bans in parking lots.
[h=4]80[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 2007[/h]In 2007 the 80[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature waived the license fee for active and newly-discharged military and cut the fee for all veterans in half. A bill insuring privacy for licensees by eliminating the procedure for anyone to find out whether a person is licensed passed.
The Legislature revisited car carry, restoring the "travelling" rule to its former state and including a private auto as "premises under the control," solving the problem. A Castle Doctrine bill removed the retreat requirement and limited civil liability. Other bills passed that make the renewal class valid for ten years, finally allows concealed carry on LCRA property, and prohibits seizing firearms during a disaster. A bill that would have prohibited carrying in school parking lots passed, but was amended so it just prohibited exhibition of firearms. An employer parking lot bill also failed, as did one that would have expanded the no-guns area of an airport.
[h=4]81[SUP]st[/SUP] Legislature, 2009[/h]Because of the filibuster over the Voter ID bill much of the pro-gun legislation proposed in the 81[SUP]st[/SUP] Legislature stalled out, including campus carry and employer parking lot bills.
Bills that passed included one creating a defense for improper 51% signs, removing the suspension penalty for failure to display to law enforcement, expanding interstate purchase of firearms, and simplifying instructor and student paperwork.
[h=4]82[SUP]nd[/SUP] Legislature, 2011[/h]There were two fierce battles in the 82[SUP]nd[/SUP] Legislature, campus carry and parking lot storage. The parking lot storage bill, SB 321, passed. It keeps employers from prohibiting employees from securing legally-owned firearms and ammo in company parking lots. Campus carry had more than enough votes to pass both houses, but parliamentary rules kept it from coming to the floor of the House of Representatives.
Other new laws legalize the carring of handguns in boats the way they are in autos, allow foster parents with CHLs to carry in their cars, and protect shooting ranges.
[h=4]83[SUP]rd[/SUP] Legislature, 2013[/h]In response to the Sandy Hook tragedy the Legislature passed two school protection bills. The first invented a new category of law enforcement officer, the school marshal. These volunteers would have very limited authority, no pay, and would have to keep their handguns locked in a safe. The other law tasks Department of Public Safety with writing a training course to qualify CHL instructors to conduct school safety training.
General campus carry for colleges was once again blocked, but a new law does allow college students with CHLs to secure firearms in their cars on campus.
Concealed carry simplification included shortening the initial license class to four to six hours and eliminating the renewal class.
The most welcome CHL change eliminated handgun categories. Applicants can shoot any type of legal handgun, .32 cal. or greater, and carry whatever they want.
Travelers will benefit from a new requirement for a hotel with a restrictive firearms policy to place that policy on their reservation website and include information about it in written confirmations.
Under another law you still have to carry so the average person doesn't know you're armed, but it will be harder to prosecute if, for instance, your gun prints through your shirt. Also, you can legally display the firearm if you are justified in using force, instead of waiting until deadly force was justified.
Switchblade knives were removed from the list of prohibited weapons.
[h=4]84[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 2015[/h]This session saw 15 pro-gun House and Senate bills passed and signed into law by Governor Abbott. In addition, the Legislature passed, and the People ratified a Texas Constitutional amendment, which became Article 1, Section 34, the Righr to Hunt, Fish, and Harvest Wildlife.
The most obvious change was the addition of "open carry" for those licensed to carry handguns. CHLs became a License To Carry. The Legislature designed new 30.06 and 30.07 signs for those businesses that want to ban either or both concealed and open carry.
The most contentious change is campus carry, which as of August 2016 will alow LTCs to carry concealed in the premises of public and some private colleges and universities. Colleges are forming committees to write policies for implementaton, and the process involves much kicking and screaming.
Another new law causing consternation is the one providing penalties for cities and counties that post 30.06/30.07 signs, and restrict licensed carry where it is actually legal. Legislation limiting government use of such signs was passed in 2003; now it can be enforced.
The most underreported new law preempts regulation of knives, invalidating city and county ordinances restricting them.
But one of the biggest changes taking place in Texas isn't because of new laws, and is almost completely under the radar. According to the Texas Association of School Boards, 110 of the 1,024 Texas independent school districts have policies that authorize designated employees to carry guns.
[h=4]Today[/h]Twenty years after the Texas CHL program started, with over 3,000 instructors and more than 900,000 active CHLs, the Texas violent crime rate continues to drop. Texas residents with Texas CHLs can carry in 35 states. As happened in all the other CHL states, concealed carry is working just fine.
© 2014, Larry Arnold. Contact TCHA. Page updated 01/14/2016
[h=4]73[SUP]rd[/SUP] Legislature, 1993[/h]In 1993 CHL returned again, and this time the big state media let loose with the typical "blood in the streets" predictions, both in quotes of anti-gunners and echoed on the opinion pages. They called for the people to contact their legislators.
The People did. I really think the popular support for the law caught the media by surprise. Then the Governor, Ann Richards, weighed in with the news that she would veto any CHL law the legislature passed. Politically, that should have been the end, but popular support would not let the bill die. Trying to find something the governor would sign, the 73[SUP]rd[/SUP] Legislature ended up passing a law that only called for a statewide referendum on CHL, not authorizing anyone to actually set up any program. Governor Richards vetoed it anyway, saying that the people of Texas didn't need to vote on something like concealed carry.
[h=4]74[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 1995[/h]Two years later the 74[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature passed SB 60, and the new Governor George W. Bush fulfilled a campaign promise to sign the first Texas concealed carry bill.
Throughout the long struggle to get a concealed handgun law passed for Texas there were a number of people who risked their political lives to accomplish what many thought might be an impossible task. Two stand out.
One is Texas Senator Jerry Patterson, who sponsored and shepherded a number of the bills, including the successful 1995 effort and the equally important 1997 revision. He happens to be a classmate of mine from Texas A&M University, Class of 1969.
The other is Suzanna Gratia, who rose from the tragedy in Killeen to provide essential testimony at a critical time. As Suzanna Gratia-Hupp she become a Representative in the Texas Legislature and served several terms, always speaking up for gun owners.
The law went into effect September 1, giving the Texas Department of Public Safety about three months to write all the procedures, design the paperwork, and train enough Qualified Instructors to teach the required course DPS wrote. They did it.
About 2,000 newly-minted Qualified Handgun Instructors began teaching the ten to fifteen hour CHL new-license class September 1, facing an initial flood of about 200,000 applicants. The new concealed handgun licensees started legally carrying January 1, 1996. It was somewhat anticlimactic, as the predicted bloodbath failed to materialize.
There was an initial surge in "No Handguns" signs on businesses that had been convinced the knuckle-dragging CHLs would invade in their camo clothing, tromping through stores in muddy boots spitting tobacco everywhere and running decent customers away. Instead, it was the decent customers who politely informed store owners that unless the signs came down their business would go elsewhere. Six months later "No Handguns" signs were an endangered species.
[h=4]75[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 1997[/h]A loophole creating a conflict between concealed carry rules and alcoholic beverage license regulations made a revision of the law necessary. That was accomplished in 1997, and went into effect 1 September of that year. More significantly, that same bill also effectively removed hospitals and nursing homes, amusement parks, places of worship, and government meetings from the list of places where concealed carry is automatically prohibited. Another law established the "30.06" sign as the only one property owners could officially use to ban concealed carry.
[h=4]76[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 1999[/h]The anti-gun folks came back in the 76[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature with bills to prohibit firearms anywhere on a school's property, and to reinstate the prohibition on carrying in a place of worship. Both were handily defeated. A number of pro-gun bills also failed to pass, and would be revisited in subsequent sessions. These include an effort to clarify the definition of "travelling," carrying in a car, lowering fees for veterans, securing the privacy of licensees, concealed carry on college and university campuses, and allowing military personnel to qualify for a CHL at 18.
[h=4]77[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 2001[/h]In 2001 the 77[SUP]th[/SUP] legislature added one restriction, prohibiting possession of any firearm within 1,000 feet of a place of execution on the day of an execution. A bill to deny concealed carry in a place of worship but with a provision that the church or synagogue could allow carrying failed, as did a bill prohibiting carrying in school parking lots and streets. On the pro-gun side, bills reducing veteran's fees and securing licensees privacy failed, as did a flawed bill extending the license period from four to five years and a bill that would have kept cities and counties from using PC 30.06 to ban concealed carry in government facilities.
[h=4]78[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 2003[/h]The 78[SUP]th[/SUP] legislature passed the ban on government agencies using PC 30.06, establishing the right to carry on public facilities. It also loosened rules on out-of-state Texas CHLs and the requirements for reciprocity. As a result, within two years the number of reciprocal states jumped from eight to twenty-seven. Bills to insure licensee privacy, allow concealed carry on Lower Colorado River Authority property, and expand firearms possession on school campuses failed, but so did a proposal that would have extended CHL training and required a psychological evaluation for licensing.
[h=4]79[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 2005[/h]A number of pro-CHL bills passed the 79[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature. They extended renewal licenses from four years to five, eased the requirements for states whose licenses we recognize, allowed military personnel to get a CHL at 18, cut the new license fee for active military and the renewal fee for seniors in half, allowed persons from any state to qualify for a Texas out-of-state CHL, allowed payment of CHL fees by personal check, and eased eligibility requirements for a person with an old deferred adjudication.
The most significant legislation attempted to change the definition of "travelling" to allow unlicensed carry in a personal vehicle. However, this law proved to be controversial, with several district attorneys claiming that it failed to actually accomplish its aim.
Bills insuring licensee privacy and allowing concealed carry on LCRA property failed to pass, as did a bill prohibiting concealed carry in school parking lots and an "assault weapons" ban. Also failing was the first attempt at restricting employer gun bans in parking lots.
[h=4]80[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 2007[/h]In 2007 the 80[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature waived the license fee for active and newly-discharged military and cut the fee for all veterans in half. A bill insuring privacy for licensees by eliminating the procedure for anyone to find out whether a person is licensed passed.
The Legislature revisited car carry, restoring the "travelling" rule to its former state and including a private auto as "premises under the control," solving the problem. A Castle Doctrine bill removed the retreat requirement and limited civil liability. Other bills passed that make the renewal class valid for ten years, finally allows concealed carry on LCRA property, and prohibits seizing firearms during a disaster. A bill that would have prohibited carrying in school parking lots passed, but was amended so it just prohibited exhibition of firearms. An employer parking lot bill also failed, as did one that would have expanded the no-guns area of an airport.
[h=4]81[SUP]st[/SUP] Legislature, 2009[/h]Because of the filibuster over the Voter ID bill much of the pro-gun legislation proposed in the 81[SUP]st[/SUP] Legislature stalled out, including campus carry and employer parking lot bills.
Bills that passed included one creating a defense for improper 51% signs, removing the suspension penalty for failure to display to law enforcement, expanding interstate purchase of firearms, and simplifying instructor and student paperwork.
[h=4]82[SUP]nd[/SUP] Legislature, 2011[/h]There were two fierce battles in the 82[SUP]nd[/SUP] Legislature, campus carry and parking lot storage. The parking lot storage bill, SB 321, passed. It keeps employers from prohibiting employees from securing legally-owned firearms and ammo in company parking lots. Campus carry had more than enough votes to pass both houses, but parliamentary rules kept it from coming to the floor of the House of Representatives.
Other new laws legalize the carring of handguns in boats the way they are in autos, allow foster parents with CHLs to carry in their cars, and protect shooting ranges.
[h=4]83[SUP]rd[/SUP] Legislature, 2013[/h]In response to the Sandy Hook tragedy the Legislature passed two school protection bills. The first invented a new category of law enforcement officer, the school marshal. These volunteers would have very limited authority, no pay, and would have to keep their handguns locked in a safe. The other law tasks Department of Public Safety with writing a training course to qualify CHL instructors to conduct school safety training.
General campus carry for colleges was once again blocked, but a new law does allow college students with CHLs to secure firearms in their cars on campus.
Concealed carry simplification included shortening the initial license class to four to six hours and eliminating the renewal class.
The most welcome CHL change eliminated handgun categories. Applicants can shoot any type of legal handgun, .32 cal. or greater, and carry whatever they want.
Travelers will benefit from a new requirement for a hotel with a restrictive firearms policy to place that policy on their reservation website and include information about it in written confirmations.
Under another law you still have to carry so the average person doesn't know you're armed, but it will be harder to prosecute if, for instance, your gun prints through your shirt. Also, you can legally display the firearm if you are justified in using force, instead of waiting until deadly force was justified.
Switchblade knives were removed from the list of prohibited weapons.
[h=4]84[SUP]th[/SUP] Legislature, 2015[/h]This session saw 15 pro-gun House and Senate bills passed and signed into law by Governor Abbott. In addition, the Legislature passed, and the People ratified a Texas Constitutional amendment, which became Article 1, Section 34, the Righr to Hunt, Fish, and Harvest Wildlife.
The most obvious change was the addition of "open carry" for those licensed to carry handguns. CHLs became a License To Carry. The Legislature designed new 30.06 and 30.07 signs for those businesses that want to ban either or both concealed and open carry.
The most contentious change is campus carry, which as of August 2016 will alow LTCs to carry concealed in the premises of public and some private colleges and universities. Colleges are forming committees to write policies for implementaton, and the process involves much kicking and screaming.
Another new law causing consternation is the one providing penalties for cities and counties that post 30.06/30.07 signs, and restrict licensed carry where it is actually legal. Legislation limiting government use of such signs was passed in 2003; now it can be enforced.
The most underreported new law preempts regulation of knives, invalidating city and county ordinances restricting them.
But one of the biggest changes taking place in Texas isn't because of new laws, and is almost completely under the radar. According to the Texas Association of School Boards, 110 of the 1,024 Texas independent school districts have policies that authorize designated employees to carry guns.
[h=4]Today[/h]Twenty years after the Texas CHL program started, with over 3,000 instructors and more than 900,000 active CHLs, the Texas violent crime rate continues to drop. Texas residents with Texas CHLs can carry in 35 states. As happened in all the other CHL states, concealed carry is working just fine.
© 2014, Larry Arnold. Contact TCHA. Page updated 01/14/2016
Attention seeking morons who do nothing to help our cause and will only lead to more restrictions. Idiots. So I am pretty sure this bunch of mouth breathing rotund troglodyte sloths has permanently screwed Texans out of their ability to open carry. This issue is most likely dead in TX at this point. They shouldn't be allowed to exercise their right to bear arms because it will only lead to t being banned. It hurts gun owners images and hurts our cause. *******! We're seeing pictures of phaggots in burger kings or whatever looking for the next bladder of gravy refill for their camelbak.
FrugalFannie
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We have OC in Texas. Catch up. And open carry of long guns as well. What LEOs and others are seeing is that OC is NOT an issue.
The sarchasm is deep.
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I think you missed the grand canyon sized sarchasm.
![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
The sarchasm is deep.
-Mike
It is. I'm glad you got a chuckle. In it I include quotes from a couple people in regards to this very subject...including one of yours.
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Pretty simple - we see how many Texas OC threads, half of the people are anti OC, half are pro. Yet not one peep about the two states in New England who have no permits at all.
OC isn't the issue, it's Texas.
Garys
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The smaller cities and towns aren't the problem. The bigger cities are where most of the police opposition came from. I think the specific thing that they objected to was not being able to randomly stop open carriers to check the validity of the LTC.
I know a fair number of police officers (not chiefs) in Texas and they are all pro 2A. There really isn't a lot of opposition to carrying from what I see on my trips down there.
As with the 30.06 signs when concealed carry became legal down there some time ago, the 30.07 signs will go up and then will go down.
Oh, BTW. A minor gun infraction does not result in a lifetime revocation of a LTC in Texas. They sometimes suspend, and then reinstate, a permit.
Also, if you are involved in a self defense shooting, the police take the gun you used, give you a receipt and if there is no indictment, return the gun when the investigation is over. They don't even take the LTC and they don't confiscate ALL of your guns, ammunition, holsters, scopes, targets, and whatever looks to be gun related.
Police chiefs in Texas are looked upon as chumps, the sheriffs are the ones that run the show.
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Some rights are lost if not exercised, others are lost if exercised.
You can ask the CA people how the right to carry a long gun in public worked out when it was exercised by the Black Panthers in the 60s or, more recently, how the right to openly wear a holstered but unloaded handgun was effected by people actually doing such a year or three ago.
On the other hand, open carry in TX seems to be strengthening the open carry rights in that state as people learn that the bodies are not going to be stacked up like cordwood.
Garys
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Depends on where you go. Outside of the big cities, it's certainly true. One thing about sheriffs is that they are elected and so in theory are accountable to the voters. Unlike chiefs, who are accountable to the mayor or city council.
It's a bit of a culture shock when you get out of the northeast and see how powerful the county governments are in much of the country. That's not limited to the sheriff's either.
It's a bit of a culture shock when you get out of the northeast and see how powerful the county governments are in much of the country. That's not limited to the sheriff's either.
FrugalFannie
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The sarchasm is deep.
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I think you missed the grand canyon sized sarchasm.
I definitely missed it.
CrackPot
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I travel to Texas multiple times a month on business. I was out and about looking for an apartment (cheaper than recurring hotel) and one of the places I visited had a 30.07 sign posted on their security gate accessing the property. The person showing me around said it had just gone up the day before.
Needless to say I did not rent at that location.
I had also not considered that an apartment complex could post 30.06 or 30.07 signs.
No, Texas is not the gun utopia some think it is.
Needless to say I did not rent at that location.
I had also not considered that an apartment complex could post 30.06 or 30.07 signs.
No, Texas is not the gun utopia some think it is.
Garys
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They can for the public parts of the complex, but not the individual residences. Unless it's in the lease.
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In upstate NY you get a town/city property tax bill and a second bill from the county.
Garys
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There are many parts of the country where a healthy county government makes sense. Here in MA, we have no unincorporated areas, but that is not true in most states. In most states, the county performs law enforcement and road maintenance in unincorporated areas. In some states, county government performs some significant duties even within incorporated areas.
If you look at how MA performs such activities, we are very inefficient. Each little town in Metrowest has its own police department and fire department, each with their own chief and their own 911 dispatch center staffed 24x7x365. Just going to a regional dispatch center that covers 4-5 towns would result in significant savings, but it will never happen.
If you look at how MA performs such activities, we are very inefficient. Each little town in Metrowest has its own police department and fire department, each with their own chief and their own 911 dispatch center staffed 24x7x365. Just going to a regional dispatch center that covers 4-5 towns would result in significant savings, but it will never happen.
While this is true, imagine the heinous stuff if the sheriffs office controlled "trash" utility functions like firearms licensing and you could only obtain an LTC from "your" sheriff.... For some people it would be like:
then when someone makes the mistake of moving into her county:
Realistically none of this matters because it's not happening, but the thought given the current system is pretty ****ing scary. At a minimum 2 entire counties would be bricked out because the moonbats would elect anti sheriffs. We'd be like California, although not nearly as bad...
-Mike
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FrugalFannie
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30.07 is only Open Carry prohibited. I'm curious if they can actually enforce that. It would be a PITA though to have to toss on a jacket/shirt just to get in/out of your car.
Even worse if LTC licensing was done by the state.
That doesn't change the fact that regional consolidation of services could be more efficient. Nor does it change the fact that back when MA actually had county governments they were even more corrupt and incompetent than local and state government...
That doesn't change the fact that regional consolidation of services could be more efficient. Nor does it change the fact that back when MA actually had county governments they were even more corrupt and incompetent than local and state government...
