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This.
Look, again, twist yourselves in knots all you want. There was no arrest associated with the events shown on that bodycam, meaning... no PC. No real reason to do anything to him. They were hassling him. That's all. And it's repugnant.
This.
Look, again, twist yourselves in knots all you want. There was no arrest associated with the events shown on that bodycam, meaning... no PC. No real reason to do anything to him. They were hassling him. That's all. And it's repugnant.
Courts have backed 'high crime area' contributing to developing probable cause. Like it or not, if they had pc to arrest for 'trespassing' the had pc to go in car. He can deny it or get hostile (like when he puffed up to cop and launched towards him.)
A 'stop' is defined as a seizure. They seized him. Police are allowed to use facts of that particular seizure to determine 'operation' in some states. Lets not be dense and assume that his car teleported there.
He wasn't trespassing and he wasn't arrested.
What did they seize him for him the first place? He didn't know his license was suspended before hand. He obviously wasn't even interested in that. He was however very interested in trying to search his car.
In any case, I don't see how a guy who had probably driven with a suspended license in 2017 has anything to do with a some guys chasing him down in trucks and shooting him to death in 2020.
He wasn't trespassing and he wasn't arrested.
What did they seize him for him the first place? He didn't know his license was suspended before hand. He obviously wasn't even interested in that. He was however very interested in trying to search his car.
In any case, I don't see how a guy who had probably driven with a suspended license in 2017 has anything to do with a some guys chasing him down in trucks and shooting him to death in 2020.
I'm not saying the initial stop was valid or anything. I'm just saying the video posted by the guardian doesn't show him being aggressive. And he was very aggressive in this video.
Also he had a suspended license, if you listened to the dispatcher.
I barely watched video because I dont care. Im telling you guys basics of patrol procedure
It’s procedure to seize people who’ve done nothing illegal?
His aggression speaks to his character, which is fair game.
Yeah, it's not an indictment of Arbery, but it does make the local police look bad.All I see here is a guy being effed with.
The sort of "aggression" against unwarranted police harassment, similar to what I read all day from NES chest-thumpers?
A citizen being detained for no good reason probably has a right to be outraged.
The cops are racist.I see a cop attempt to tase a guy for no reason after another cop tries to come up with a way to search his car. All because "he might be up to something".
So I'm not sure what that video is suppose to prove. He may or may not have been smoking weed and gets annoyed when cops try and tase him? Monster!
Grouping everyone together to form an entity to argue against
Oh. Well, then. You're right.
Citizens ought to be grateful when the State detains them for no good reason. My mistake.
I never said that.
You faulted his aggression.
I said a citizen being unreasonably detained has a right to be outraged.
Should he have been supremely pissed that the state was abusing his rights, or not?
You also know very little of his "character." You're judging from what you've seen of him in two specific situations when he was unreasonably confronted with force, or at least coercion. The way a person acts in extremis says very little about their overall personality.
I know what I saw, and that's an idiot trying to rush a cop. And the way people act under stress says EVERYTHING about their personality.
You see an idiot trying to rush a cop.
I see an idiot trying to taze a citizen with no reason, while being abetted by another idiot and only restrained by a coercive authority figure and the presence of cameras.
This says everything about the way you and I see the world.
Exactly, and as said by many of us here, NONE of that justifies his pursuit and killing by the McMichaels.They are trying really hard to make this guy look bad.
Exactly, and as said by many of us here, NONE of that justifies his pursuit and killing by the McMichaels.
That was almost comical. The idiot with the Taser charged in, ordered him to get his hand out of his pocket, and get his hands up. Which AA did, and was standing perfectly still when the idiot tried firing his Taser, which sparked harmlessly in stun/drive mode. And they stood there staring at each other for about five seconds, motionless, with the Taser crackling away. lolI see an idiot trying to taze a citizen with no reason, while being abetted by another idiot and only restrained by a coercive authority figure and the presence of cameras.
He definitely jogs.
...which is completely irrelevant to the case at hand.Here's another video
...which is completely irrelevant to the case at hand.