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Trump said 'perhaps' more needs to be done on gun control, update post 484 using algorithms on SM

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mikeyp, Aug 4, 2019.

  1. Koolmoose

    Koolmoose NES Member

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    How much of mid America will comply with UBC? The .gov doesn’t know who has what in many of those states, unlike us in the PROM. How is the .gov going to prove that you bought a gun from someone?

    Trump is done if he loses the gun community. Although my vote never counts, I’ll not be voting for him if this stuff passes.

    Let’s hope!
     

  2. 10thSFFD

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    You are correct, government does not know TODAY. For .gov simple laws will be enough. This is exactly how it was done in Europe after WWII. when almost every citizen had a weapon or even a panzerfaust. New law said no guns for anybody. That law was followed by a very strict criminal law which said that if they will find a weapon on you, you will go to jail for plenty of years. So, your weapons became a museum pieces. No ranges, no ammo, nowhere to shoot them, nowhere to talk about them......Next generation was afraid to even think about weapons. Done!

    In Yugoslavia Tito maintained a very strict regime and when war broke up after his death all weapons used in it came from military or police armories. In the second round weapons were imported/smuggled into the country from Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Slovakia, etc.

    Do not underestimate power of the people. Once weapons are illegal you will find plenty of rats working hard to get their 15 minutes of fame.
     
  3. jpk

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  4. teaser452

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    Why did the media bury the El Paso shooters manifesto. It’s available. The dude was a registered Democrat and was for universal basic income and free healthcare. He was also against capitalism and corporations. Not exactly Republican or conservative talking points.
     
  5. jpk

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    Thats exactly why they buried it.....doesnt fit their narrative
     
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    I didn't see this article mentioned in any other threads so I'll drop a link here. It pretty well sums up the arguments against gun control.

    "Gun-control advocacy, as it stands today, is almost pure demagoguery.

    The Second Amendment isn’t about shooting ducks. It’s about shooting people.

    Once you really get your head around that, you can begin to appreciate the political architecture of the gun-control debate and the fundamental problem at the heart of it: The purpose of the Second Amendment is to ensure the right of Americans to keep and bear arms designed to kill people in armed confrontations, and everything that makes firearms unsuitable for that purpose is at odds with the Second Amendment.

    The usual response to that goes something like this: “Oh, sure, that may have been true, one upon a time, but we no longer have a lawless frontier, and the idea of a bunch of Bubbas getting together with their AR-15s and strapping on their tactical Underoos to take on a tyrannical U.S. government in some hypothetical dystopia is an absurd and adolescent fantasy.” If that’s your argument, then, fine: But that is not an argument for banning 50-round magazines or prohibiting semiautomatic rifles — that’s an argument for repealing the Second Amendment, at which point you have constitutional license to pass whatever gun-control legislation suits your fancy.

    Give it a shot..."

    Gun-Control Advocacy: Mostly Demagoguery | National Review
     
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  7. jpk

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    Good article, especially for NRO

    Its a good sign imho when it becomes mainstream to actually discuss the history of 2A, what its really about and why the founders felt it was so important that they included in the BoR
     
  8. Whutmeworry

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    You couldn’t be more right. The thing is, the anti gun arguments are so easily shot down. The challenge is to find a way to make them honestly defend their dumb sh*t arguments.
     
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  9. teaser452

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    Um, 80% of NES people love their government overlords. Their arguments aren’t defensible. But emotion defeats logic and facts for these folks.

    Like I said, the country is finished. Not because of the liberals and leftists. But because of the people on this board. The hard core ain’t so hard. Maybe need some viagra.

    Either way, we know who the enemy is, and he is us. There is no pithy comments we can come up with that will turn them. They’re coming. Be ready.
     
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    Took my Viagra, and I am 100% against ANY new laws, and 100% most of the existing laws.
     
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    Try to ban Viagra then you would see a bipartisan outcry on Capital Hill.

    :emoji_tiger:
     
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    431 posts all because trump said something. Trump will say anything. His blood sugar gets low, he says something stupid. Fox News has a commercial, he says something stupid. AOC tweets something stupid, he says something more stupid.

    Until he DOES something I plan to ignore the stupid things he says. His DOING record is a lot better than his SAYING record.
     
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  13. jpk

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    The only thing he can DO is sign legislation into law......

    If you wait until he actually DOES something then its too late

    Agitate against pols early and often.....otherwise they get too complacent and do stupid shit
     
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    Best Democrat president EVER
     
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    How many people from here do you know exactly ?
    I know a few and B.S. comments like that tell me you don't know squat.
    You'd have to live a very long and busy life to even catch a whiff of hind tit to what many here have done.
     
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    You can and will do what you will. I’m just going by what people say and write. There is nothing else you can do but take it all at face value.

    And if you are ok with new gun laws, you too can get bent sideways.
     
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    Again , not a clue as to whom your talking to or about, keep talking though.
     
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    8/13/19:

    Breaking News: Is the Trump Administration Imposing More Gun Control through BATFE with a Ban on Pistol Braces?

     
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    It is sad that instead of Don Jr. sitting his father down and straightening him the F^*& out on guns once and for all, we have to read about his idiot daughter pushing more gun control.
     
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    I think it's funny how many dudes here were slobbing over her calling for her to run for president.
     
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    Sorry your girl lost. I'm sure its news to you but the President doesn't make law. Anti-gun legislation doesn't get passed by the POTUS, it gets passed by the cucks in Congress. He can say whatever he wants, congress writes the law then votes to pass the law. I'm sure you knew that though with all of your voting and interaction with your congressmen.

    REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
     
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    Considering congress doesn’t do shit anymore without conceding authority to the Executive to pass the blame while continuing to collect a hefty paycheck, it’s not wrong to hold the POTUS to a higher standard and expect him to follow through on promises.
    Given that Trump is the best snake oil salesman of his generation, it’s fair to assume anything he said campaigning was only to get votes. A life long NY Democrat who now identifies as a Republican?
    Color me skeptical, yet people clamored to him like flies to shit.
    But go ahead and say “uggghhhh are you saying you wanted Hillary? We’d be far worse off!” Maybe we would be, but people sure as hell would have been far less complacent with gun control enactments... which are somehow okay when republicans push for them pass them.
     
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    My point is, trolling NES that Trump sucks does absolutely nothing. Your congressmen need to know that any anti-gun legislation will adversely affect them in the next election.
     
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  27. jpk

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    Problem is that few if anyone is willing to write/call let alone get off their arses when presented with an opportunity to actually make a statement
     
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    And my point is there are a large number of people who seem to be okay with it so long as he’s in office.
    Besides, in my district I have Moulton, Markey and Warren as my elected officials. What could I ever say that would convince them to vote pro gun? Or hell, even not propose something to further restrict rights? Nothing.
    So I’ll continue to vote against them and train as many new gun owners as willing to take my classes and hope they have an awakening and realize the left will never waiver until we are all disarmed.
     
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    Congress writes the bills, the president signs them into law. He is basically telegraphing to them what he is ok with to make it easier for them to get it to his desk. The fact that the "common sense" phrase has become acceptable for people on the right side of the aisle to use openly is disheartening. They're not even pretending to represent the people that voted for them.
     
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    We can thank Jeffrey Epstein and Chrissie Cuomo for knocking the shootings off the front page for now. Congress doesn't come back for 3 weeks which is an eternity in today's news cycle. The press will move on to another Trump bashing story then, hopefully Michael Horovitz's IG investigation will be released in a few weeks and the shootings will be a distant memory. There's a lot of nervous Clintonista's in the FBI and DOJ.
     

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