Troll book reviewer

[jcr]

Yesterday a thread was started by a suspected troll who came to praise Hennigans recent book. It is now locked.

I found the same posting made today on the Carolina Shooters Forum . (Except, here he says he's from South Carolina, not NH.

There also seems to be a strong similarity to this blog Mikeb302000, but I don't care to read enough to be more sure.

 

[terraformer]

Shocking... This has been the strategy for years. Split the gun owning community in half and align with the fudds. More of the same, only scummier methods this time around.

 

[EddieCoyle]

Well, we won't have to worry about him anymore.

 

[MetalgodZ]

Aww, poor baby can't take the criticism for his position that "all gun owners share in the responsibility for gun violence."

Monday, March 23, 2009
New Commenting Policy
I feel compelled to change my long-standing commenting policy, which you can read here. The reason for the change is the fact that a couple commenters seem to have lost the ability to argue and disagree respectfully. I've asked for it and not gotten it. So now it'll be enforced through comment moderation.

I think the problem stems from my idea that all gun owners share in the responsibility for gun violence. I admit this is a debatable premise, and that's exactly what we've been doing until recently when it turned particularly vicious and personal. I realize a legal gun owner might take my idea very personally, and even be offended by it, but when I'm repeatedly called "liar" and "bastard," and when the inference is made that I'm involved in child pornography, I say it's gone too far.

If you feel so strongly about my premise and are convinced that by proposing it I deserve to be called a "liar" and a "bastard" and if you really think that by engaging the pro-gun community in an argument like this I deserve to be slandered as a child pornographer, I would simply remind you that this is my blog. Here, I can do what I want, you cannot.

One interesting aspect is that the offending parties were never called to task by any of the other commenters. What is that all about? Do you gun guys support each other, right or wrong? Is that it? I don't have much respect for that. But, I'll tell you what I do respect. I respect someone who argues their point passionately, even heatedly. I can even accept some name-calling; we've had plenty of that around here. But, when it comes to personal attacks and slander, all of which is off topic, I won't have it. And if anyone cares to notice, I hold myself to the same standards.

Please feel free to comment. I'd love to hear what you have to say about this.

UPDATE June 28, 2009

Personal attacks will be rejected at my discretion.

Banned? Good riddance.

 

[theGringo]

Shocking... This has been the strategy for years. Split the gun owning community in half and align with the fudds. More of the same, only scummier methods this time around.

This methodology is often employed here, but more ... artfully.

 

[Scrivener]

Split the gun owning community in half and align with the fudds. More of the same, only scummier methods this time around.

AHSA

Zumbo

However, I think the split comes from the Fudds not really being part of "the gun owning community." YES, they own guns, but that's about it. Based on the calls I receive, hunters are the LEAST informed, LEAST involved, MOST ignorant and MOST inert portion of "the gun owning community."

Also the MOST short-sighted and, therefore, the MOST likely to whore out the rest of the gun owning community in the pathetic delusion that their "sporting" arms are magically protected from the anti-gun pogroms.

This makes Fudds willing dupes for the divide-and-conquor tactics that Rosenthal, et al, employ to erode our rights.

 

[calsdad]

Dammit! I missed it.

 

[bullseye]

Sciv,
You obviously don't like hunters!! Previous life or current one that did the harm??!! But I tend to agree with you. I feel the guys that load there own, chase springs around their basement, punch holes in paper at long distances in pursuit of sub-moa tend to have the more jovial approach to life and are the ones I'd rather spend an afternoon around, not someone who claims a multipointed deer and also claims the know-it-all, I am gods gift to the shooting world mentality. Those folks should make a career out professional bulletcatching.

 

[kevin9]

From the tool's own blog:

About Me
mikeb302000
I'm an American expat living in Italy these last 20 years.

That just about says it all as far as I'm concerned. Good riddance.

 

[Scrivener]

Sciv,
You obviously don't like hunters!! Previous life or current one that did the harm??!!

Actually, a hunter did much to keep me involved in firearms during my teen years.

However, experience has shown me that, of the many different niches in the shooting fraternity, Fudds are the least productive and, arguably, the most counter-productive of the lawful gun owners.

 

[Martlet]

Sciv,
You obviously don't like hunters!! Previous life or current one that did the harm??!! But I tend to agree with you. I feel the guys that load there own, chase springs around their basement, punch holes in paper at long distances in pursuit of sub-moa tend to have the more jovial approach to life and are the ones I'd rather spend an afternoon around, not someone who claims a multipointed deer and also claims the know-it-all, I am gods gift to the shooting world mentality. Those folks should make a career out professional bulletcatching.

The "I'm God's gift to the shooting world mentality" appears on both sides. Hunting is a skill in and of itself. I know people who can shoot far better than I at the range, yet can't even find game, or hit it when they do. I belong to both communities. I have been hunting since elementary school. The "you don't need an EBR" group of hunters, in my experience, is almost as rare as the sport shooters who oppose certain aspects of hunting. I try my best to educate these people. Heck, we already have a head start: they accept firearms in general.

 

[EddieCoyle]

Hunters are not necessarily Fudds.

 

[drgrant]

"I think the problem stems from my idea that all gun owners share in the responsibility for gun violence. I admit this is a debatable premise, and that's exactly what we've been doing until recently when it turned particularly vicious and personal.

No, it's not debatable, a**h***. Why the f**k am I, or for that matter, the overwhelming majority of gun owners, in ANY WAY responsible for "gun violence"? It's the most idiotic concept anyone with more than one brain cell has ever heard come out of someone's mouth.

And this guy wonders why people get vicious? The very notional of what he is suggesting is repulsive on its face. F**k him and the horse he rode in on.

Sorry, whenever I see crap like that, something comes out of me... I think I start seeing that red curtain of blood that Kim Du Toit spoke about....

-Mike

 

[Scrivener]

Hunters are not necessarily Fudds.

Quite true. And Fudds are not necessarily even hunters. You will find the "MY guns are special, but YOURS should be banned" mentality with a number of shotgunners. Those who bought Berettas and Perazzis when golf got boring often exhibit that attitude.

 

[calsdad]

Just as an aside - I am somewhat against the pre-emptory closing of threads when we get "trolls" , until they turn devolve into pissing matches with no good reason to be kept open.

I have noticed that NES threads show up quite frequently when I do searches on Google for firearms related subjects.

I have also wondered why some of these people even show up here and post this stuff to begin with. The guy who posted the original thread that is the subject of this thread - appears to have been going around the internet posting the same thing on multiple gun related sites. I can't read minds - but it sure looks like he is trying to change somebody's mind.

Since sometime - somewhere - somebody may possibly come across one these threads while doing some searching about gun control or other gun related topics, I think it is worth letting these things play out. Especially since there are a good many people here on NES who have their history and logic and legal stuff down pretty good.

Early on I learned a lot by cruising thru old threads on NES, The HighRoad, and numerous other gun related sites. The best ones were always the threads where the protagonist (let's call him ignorant gun hater) - got his ass handed to him completely and totally by a multitude of people until it got to the point where the thread resorted to name calling. Because that's when you know the other person has lost - they give up trying to win on facts - and resort to calling you a poopyhead.

Yeah that's right - I am the type of parent when he comes across a fight and realizes that it's all the neighborhood kids who finally had enough of the neighborhood bully and started giving him a beatdown - stands and watches instead of breaking it up.

 

[45 acp]

Thank you.
If it was'nt for a kind hearted neighbor back in 1967 who took the time to take me upland game hunting I may never have been introduced to the firearms sports that has been a large part of my life. Not only did this person take the time to take me afield he taught me safe gun handling, care and maintenance of my new Mossberg bolt action 12 ga. A beginning I will never forget.

 

[ephemeratta]

All automobile owners share in the responsibility of all motor vehicle related homicides.

BTW, the whole tacticool, benchrest, milsurp, plinker, CCW vs fudd/hunter mindset does more to separate the community than any troll or legislator does.

 

[SecondAmdFirst]

No, it's not debatable, a**h***. Why the f**k am I, or for that matter, the overwhelming majority of gun owners, in ANY WAY responsible for "gun violence"? It's the most idiotic concept anyone with more than one brain cell has ever heard come out of someone's mouth.

And this guy wonders why people get vicious? The very notional of what he is suggesting is repulsive on its face. F**k him and the horse he rode in on.

Sorry, whenever I see crap like that, something comes out of me... I think I start seeing that red curtain of blood that Kim Du Toit spoke about....

-Mike

Well, Mike...none of us like to see a member of the LEGAL gun owner community make a screw-up because it can be a black eye to all of us. HOWEVER, the best we can do is ensure we are lawful and safe, advise others if they are not so in our presence, and leave a facility where someone is behaving stupidly (some posts about range experiences come to mind). Beyond that, how they hell can we be responsible for the action of others? This guy is a tool and I know exactly where he can put his book.

 

[jshooter]

Hunters are not necessarily Fudds.

Thank you Jim.

 

[garandman]

Sciv,
You obviously don't like anyone!! Previous life or current one that did the harm??!! But I tend to agree with you.//

Fixed.

 

[P-14]

Hunters are not necessarily Fudds.

Thank you, EC. Scriv, you've over generalized. I hunt and I compete. I was at the Statehouse in support of GOAL. Generalize about Fudds - not hunters.

 

[Scrivener]

T Scriv, you've over generalized. I hunt and I compete. I was at the Statehouse in support of GOAL. Generalize about Fudds - not hunters.

Then you are obviously NOT a Fudd.

Thank you for your awareness and participation.

 

[matt]

BTW, the whole tacticool, benchrest, milsurp, plinker, CCW vs fudd/hunter mindset does more to separate the community than any troll or legislator does.

only when Fudds are grouped as you have them with hunters.

A fudd is a fudd. Willilng to give away your rights and "protect" his guns as Scriv says.

Sometimes division is a GOOD thing.

 

[JackDaniels]

Well, I hunt and fish and shoot competitively. Actually, in fairness, I'm not all that competitive. But, being a supporter of a man's natural right to self preservation, and his Constitutional rights, has nothing to do with shooting, hunting, fishing, soccer, baseball, or any other sport.

We may call a man a fudd, and hold him in particular disregard, because his sport is associated with firearms, and it doesn't make any real sense to us how someone could be associated with firearms and not support the right to keep and bear arms. But, a firearm is a tool, or an example of sporting equipment that is only symbolic of what freedom means, to those who believe in the necessity of preserving that freedom through the keeping and bearing of arms. And the significance of that freedom, to any man who values that freedom, is independent of whether or not he is associated with a sport that involves firearms.

 

[garandman]

Well, I hunt and fish and shoot competitively. Actually, in fairness, I'm not all that competitive. //.

Yeah, I'm in that club. When my kids were born, I cut down to one event a month, which became three a season, which became one a season....