Trick Shooting: Police bullet lodged in gunman's weapon

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/268168_shootingfollow27.html

Amazing shot cited as self-defense

Police bullet lodged in gunman's weapon

Thursday, April 27, 2006

By HECTOR CASTRO
P-I REPORTER

A highly improbable shot left an officer's bullet in the cylinder of a gunman's revolver, and police say it's a pretty clear sign that the officers who shot the man faced a deadly threat.

"Physically, it is impossible to conclude anything other than the fact the suspect was pointing directly at the officers," Deputy Chief Clark Kimerer said Wednesday, adding, "I've not seen anything quite like that in my 24 years."

Wednesday, the King County Medical Examiner's Office had yet to release the identity of the gunman and were still trying to notify his next of kin. Kimerer said the man turned 18 about a month ago.

The shooting was the latest in what has been a very bloody month for Seattle. Since March 25, there have been 10 gun-related deaths and at least 10 people injured.

Seven people died March 25 in the city's second-largest mass slaying. Two people were wounded.

On April 15, three men were injured at a nightclub shooting. The next evening, one man was wounded in a shooting in the Central District. On Saturday, one man died and two men were wounded in a shooting in Pioneer Square.

On Sunday, a man was shot and wounded as he slept in a Lake City home. Also Sunday, a North Seattle man shot and killed himself after shooting at passing cars, his neighbors' home and arriving police officers. One officer was wounded by bullet fragments.

In the Tuesday shooting, police again found themselves facing a life and death situation.

The shooting happened just after 8:15 p.m. near the corner of Broadway East and East John Street on Capitol Hill.

At a news conference at police headquarters Wednesday, Kimerer said investigators learned that the gunman had had an argument with a female friend shortly before the shooting.

Afterward, Kimerer said, the young man walked down Broadway and got into a fight with another man. At some point, a gun he was carrying fell to the ground.

Kimerer said the gunman simply reholstered the weapon behind his back.

A merchant called 911, as did others.

Two East Precinct patrol officers arrived in less than two minutes, he said.

The two officers approached the young man near a bus stop. Though the man was suspected of being armed, the officers did not see a weapon, so at first they planned to restrain him.

When the man turned to face them, the officers ordered him to get on the ground and show his hands.

The warning, Kimerer said, was heard by several witnesses.

Instead of complying, "the suspect reached behind his back with both hands," he said.

Out came a revolver, police officers said.

The officers ordered the man to drop the gun. Instead, police said, he squared up against them. "The officers returned fire in response to that deadly threat," Kimerer said.

Both officers, armed with Glock .40 caliber semi-automatic handguns, fired. One fired four shots; the second, three shots.

One of those bullets ended up in the gunman's gun -- jammed into the cylinder of his revolver. The department released photos Wednesday showing the cracked brass of a bullet shoved out of the rear of one chamber.

Fire medics arrived but were unable to revive the man.

Investigators have learned from at least one witness that the man had said earlier in the evening that he would draw his weapon if confronted by police. Police had said earlier that he was recently released from a substance abuse treatment center, but Wednesday Kimerer said he could not confirm that.

Seattle police officers are dealing more and more with people experiencing mental health crises. Partly in response to this, all officers now routinely attend an eight-hour seminar on crisis intervention.

Statistics the department maintains on incidents of Taser use bear out that patrol officers are seeing many cases of subjects with some type of impairment. In its most recent report, in January, the department noted that of the 800-plus incidents of Taser use in 2001, 72 percent of the subjects encountered were impaired by alcohol of drugs or were mentally ill.

Both officers involved in Tuesday's shooting have been placed on administrative leave.

Kimerer praised the officers for their courage in taking on an armed man, and for their tactical skill in preventing any other injuries. He also said officers were grateful for the amount of help provided by people at the scene.

Detectives will continue to investigate the background of the young man, but determining a motive may prove difficult. "We may never know exactly what happened," Kimerer said.

P-I reporter Hector Castro can be reached at 206-903-5396 or [email protected].
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This photo, provided by the Seattle Police Department, shows the damaged cartridge in the cylinder of the gunman's revolver. (April 27, 2006)
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This photo, which was provided by the Seattle Police Department, shows the brass cartridge being pushed out the rear of the cylinder on the gunman's revolver. (April 27, 2006)
 
I wonder how many of you are having the same first response as I am, which is:

What sort of bobo would be carrying that hunk of crap as a defensive handgun?

I guess that proves that hoods just aren't that smart. And also emphasizes why they have to wear their pants 5 sizes too big. Could you imagine one of us trying to conceal that thing? Criminy...


Interesting shot though. Would have been a better trick if they managed to get the bullet to jam up the muzzle, but still interesting...
 
C-pher said:
Holy cow...that's crazy!

I think that there was a CSI where this happened.
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Yes there was... I remember the episode, because it happened in a predominately hispanic neighborhood, and they were saying that the police were out to get them... Even though they were chasing a car that was firing a full auto AK at them, and they engaged the police first.

Adam
 
SiameseRat said:
Interesting shot though. Would have been a better trick if they managed to get the bullet to jam up the muzzle, but still interesting...
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From the title, I thought that's what was going to happen...[sad]

Still, a sweet shot!...and yes C-pher, there was a CSI episode where that happened in the past few months.
 
SiameseRat said:
What sort of bobo would be carrying that hunk of crap as a defensive handgun?
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My thoughts exactly. The C&R or Milsurps guys will probably argue with us, though. By the way, "bobo?" [grin]

Chris
 
SiameseRat said:
What sort of bobo would be carrying that hunk of crap as a defensive handgun?

I guess that proves that hoods just aren't that smart. And also emphasizes why they have to wear their pants 5 sizes too big. Could you imagine one of us trying to conceal that thing? Criminy...
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Well after getting out of Drug Rehab it's not like he could have popped into the local gunshop and pick up his choice of a carry gun.

What kind of gun is this anyway? I'm not so good with spotting revolvers.

Arrrr

-Weer'd Beard
 
Weer'd Beard said:
Well after getting out of Drug Rehab it's not like he could have popped into the local gunshop and pick up his choice of a carry gun.

What kind of gun is this anyway?
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I'm not sure... there's something funky about the grips, and I can't get a clear enough enlargement to see what the medallion is on the grips, but it looks like it might be a Colt medallion.

anyone else with better eyes than mine?

Ross
 
RKG said:
Well, got out some notes and I think I may have erred: the revolver is an Officers Model Target, not an Officers Model Match.

http://www.hallowellco.com/colt_officers_model_target 38.htm
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Sure looks like it, but the sights must have been changed some time in the past. But the frame is definitely the same. But WTF did that dink have for grips? Looks like the right grip has been changed out with a grip from something that was too small for it - it looks like the frame is sticking out of the grips!

Anyway, it sure looks like one of Seattle's finest wins the Robin Hood award! Or would that be the Lone Ranger award? Didn't the LR shoot guns out of people's hands?
 
ChristosX said:
My thoughts exactly. The C&R or Milsurps guys will probably argue with us, though. By the way, "bobo?" [grin]

Chris
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I meant "hunk of crap" figuratively. It's just hard for me to picture a guy telling me he's going to "pop a cap in yo' ass" and then wait the 5 minutes it will take for him to pull the incredibly long muzzle out of his size 52 pants belted around his size 29 waist...
 
SiameseRat said:
I meant "hunk of crap" figuratively. It's just hard for me to picture a guy telling me he's going to "pop a cap in yo' ass" and then wait the 5 minutes it will take for him to pull the incredibly long muzzle out of his size 52 pants belted around his size 29 waist...
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Belted??? These punks don't need no steenking belt...
 
I think that this incident highlights an interesting point about combat shooting that was emphasized following the famous 1986 "Miami Shootout": combatants focus on the threat (i.e, the handgun), not on the person. Many of the wounds sustained in gunfights are to the hand, because the fighters are looking at the threatening handgun, and natural hand-to-eye coordination kicks in.
 
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