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tragic shooting

Again. Why do I read the fn comments. [banghead]

The kid was freaked out. Took the shot. Shit outcome.
Really sucks he is going to carry that forever.
 
Sucks he killed his friend. Is Montana one of the castle doctrine states? This whole family would be f***ed in MA right not trying to make light of the situation curious how it would play out
 
That's a tough one for that kid to live with, he made a bad choice and he has to live with that now. You got to love the comments... Like the one where they asked what 15 yr old has a gun?...bad parenting... I have to agree with the bad parenting, as well as poor firearm education. I had guns at 15 along with a FID card, and I have excellent parents that thought me right from wrong. I had the words "Think before you shoot, be sure of your target as well as the back drop" drilled into my head when I learned gun safety and shooting a a very young age. Sadly this boy's parents didn't do that.

I hate the Anti's paranoia of young children learning gun safety. My sis in-law is an anti and my father and I want to teach my nephews saftey first and then teach them how to handle an unloaded BB gun before they shoot. She says 4 is too young, I think it is the perfect age. Their minds are like sponges right now, they remember every word you say and they love to learn things. Children need to know the right thing to do if they come across a firearm at a friends house or on the street. Kids that don't know the consequences are the ones hurt themselves or someone else.
 
OldeBD said:
That's a tough one for that kid to live with, he made a bad choice and he has to live with that now. You got to love the comments... Like the one where they asked what 15 yr old has a gun?...bad parenting... I have to agree with the bad parenting, as well as poor firearm education. I had guns at 15 along with a FID card, and I have excellent parents that thought me right from wrong. I had the words "Think before you shoot, be sure of your target as well as the back drop" drilled into my head when I learned gun safety and shooting a a very young age. Sadly this boy's parents didn't do that.

I hate the Anti's paranoia of young children learning gun safety. My sis in-law is an anti and my father and I want to teach my nephews saftey first and then teach them how to handle an unloaded BB gun before they shoot. She says 4 is too young, I think it is the perfect age. Their minds are like sponges right now, they remember every word you say and they love to learn things. Children need to know the right thing to do if they come across a firearm at a friends house or on the street. Kids that don't know the consequences are the ones hurt themselves or someone else.
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So, youre assuming bad parenting and youre talking about gun safety. This wasnt either of those things was it? There obviously was no safety/handling issue, this wasnt an ND. Maybe his parents suck, maybe they dont, but the kid saw a threat, felt in fear enough to take action on the threat, and here we are. It absolutely sucks, no argument there.
 
GPP said:
So, youre assuming bad parenting and youre talking about gun safety. This wasnt either of those things was it? There obviously was no safety/handling issue, this wasnt an ND. Maybe his parents suck, maybe they dont, but the kid saw a threat, felt in fear enough to take action on the threat, and here we are. It absolutely sucks, no argument there.
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I do think some sort of bad parenting or poor education led to this kid shooting something without knowing what it is. He obviously was afraid, and I'm saddened to read that story. He could have grabbed his gun, hid, called the cops, yelled "I have a gun, I will shoot you, who are you?", fired a warning shot, etc... If you think it is ok to shoot through a wall or window without seeing what your shooting, you may need to go back to gun school fella.

If if someone broke in his house while he was alone, called out with no answer, well that's fair game.
 
OldeBD said:
I do think some sort of bad parenting or poor education led to this kid shooting something without knowing what it is. He obviously was afraid, and I'm saddened to read that story. He could have grabbed his gun, hid, called the cops, yelled "I have a gun, I will shoot you, who are you?", fired a warning shot, etc... If you think it is ok to shoot through a wall or window without seeing what your shooting, you may need to go back to gun school fella.

If if someone broke in his house while he was alone, called out with no answer, well that's fair game.
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I probably should go back to the rubber gun school, but thats a whole different story.

I think itd be fair game if he wasnt alone and someone broke in too.

He did though, shoot through a window, and got a head shot. Id say his sight picture and sight alignment was pretty good.

Warning shot? What gun school did you go to, fella?
 
GPP said:
I probably should go back to the rubber gun school, but thats a whole different story.

I think itd be fair game if he wasnt alone and someone broke in too.

He did though, shoot through a window, and got a head shot. Id say his sight picture and sight alignment was pretty good.

Warning shot? What gun school did you go to, fella?
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I shouldn't assume anything because we don't know the whole story. Even if the kids were trying to scare him, he called out with no answer, a warning shot would have made them shit their pants, run, or identity themselves. He wouldn't have to live with killing his friend, just have to patch a hole in his wall. Only 1 got shot out of the 2, so the other must have identified himself. If it's inside the house, there would be no warning shot from me if I concluded it was a threat to me. I live in MA, we need to wait till they come inside to shoot them.

He was was definitely a good shot. I forwarded this to my buddy/long time hunting partner that taught me hunters ED at age 9 to hunt with him, and age 15 for my FID. This is a good article to read to the kids in his class of what can happen if you shoot before you think.
 
OldeBD said:
I shouldn't assume anything because we don't know the whole story. Even if the kids were trying to scare him, he called out with no answer, a warning shot would have made them shit their pants, run, or identity themselves. He wouldn't have to live with killing his friend, just have to patch a hole in his wall. Only 1 got shot out of the 2, so the other must have identified himself. If it's inside the house, there would be no warning shot from me if I concluded it was a threat to me. I live in MA, we need to wait till they come inside to shoot them.

He was was definitely a good shot. I forwarded this to my buddy/long time hunting partner that taught me hunters ED at age 9 to hunt with him, and age 15 for my FID. This is a good article to read to the kids in his class of what can happen if you shoot before you think.
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I'll bite, he sends a 'warning shot' downrange. It goes through a window and kills nun next door.
You're good with that?

So when the cops show up, what was the threat? Was it enough for an armed response? Obviously not, since he didn't shoot the perpetrator, so he must not have been in fear of his life or grievous bodily injury. He goes to jail for some kind of 'reckless discharge of a firearm'. Negligent homicide for the nun.

You are responsible for every piece of lead you send downrange, it has your name on it.

It's hard to find any 'good' in this story. I have sympathy for everyone in it, but the kid didn't do anything wrong from the facts as given. Someone at his window, uninvited at 2am, he was scared, if he knew there were 2 people, he knew he was outnumbered. I have a hard time faulting his judgement in that instant. If other facts come out, I reserve my right to re-evaluate my thinking on it.

I was a teen once, friends came knocking at my window at odd hours. In an alternate universe, this could have been me, or any of us.
 
GPP said:
He did though, shoot through a window, and got a head shot. Id say his sight picture and sight alignment was pretty good.
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Or perhaps the muzzle was two feet from the target. Aaaargh! Zombies!

If I were the DA I'd charge the brain dead little sh!t though.
 
Sorry but if I know my friend Bob has a gun on the nightstand (using nightstand as an example), I am not going to be throwing rocks or banging on his window at 2:30 in the morning. I do not care what age I was.

On the other side I do feel bad for both the young adults in this case. And yes 15 is a young adult to me.

And the other side will not stop until you cannot have a picture of a firearm, draw one, make one out of a pop tart, piece of paper etc. Hell they may go so far as to want our thumbs so we cannot use it as the "hammer".
 
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I don't buy 'friends coming over at 2:30AM', check the text messages - bullying or threats?

Shooting out the window seems excessive based on the story (which is why I don't believe the story).

Fifteen (15) years old out at 2:30AM - no issues there /sarc
 
As often happens, I'm torn on this one. The kid clearly felt fearful of his life. I don't think many people would say that the proper time to defend yourself is after the perp has busted in your window and is on top of you. On the other hand, at 15 I would have thought of my friends first if I heard banging on my window, and not someone breaking in. I also have to wonder - if this was something they did before, then he was an idiot.
 
GM-GUY said:
I don't buy 'friends coming over at 2:30AM', check the text messages - bullying or threats?

Shooting out the window seems excessive based on the story (which is why I don't believe the story).

Fifteen (15) years old out at 2:30AM - no issues there /sarc
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This, Lots of parenting fail on all sides of this story
 
The kid most likely had a rifle so shooting into the wall wouldn't stop it so your warning shot may have given the other friend a splitter when he died. That being said if the kid had time to get his rifle and aim it and pluck a head shot he should have realized no real danger. But he's young and jacked up on adrenaline. Definitely need to read more about it
 
I have to wonder the 'protocol' for the family's safety plan. Who's in charge?

Fine if the kid can shoot and own a gun at 15, but the what if start to pile up if let's say dad was investigating the same kids throwing rocks at the windows and went out to talk to them, typical "Knock that sh!t off!" Now sonny-boy hears "someone in the house..."

Maybe it's my Mass state of mind, but sounds like too many sheriffs in that household. Parent should be in charge of home security, not the 15 yr old.
 

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